What guns of old would you like remade today for Civilians


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MagnumDweeb
August 29, 2008, 04:51 PM
I have a long list of guns I'd love to be able to own today that were long ago. Just to share a few.

First on my list is the old Henry Repeater 15 magazine capacity lever action repeater loaded by magazine tube as opposed to single shot loading on the side.

Next, is the Springfield Krag, of the Spanish-American war. I just like the idea of single-loading .30-06. Just a liking I have.

A Colt 1903 .32 automatic with a twist, I saw in a magazine that a gunsmith had remade the gun in .45 ACP, and I would love a 'pocket pistol' that could fire .45 ACP out of a reliable and today remade platform. I realize there are Officer 1911s but the 1903 is roughly the size of a Kel-Tec P3AT as I've seen in past articles. I'm a big fan of pocket pistols with bores .38spcl/9mm or bigger.

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Gunnerpalace
August 29, 2008, 04:53 PM
Domestic Martini-Henry's, no Khyber pass ones,

rcmodel
August 29, 2008, 04:59 PM
Henry?
How many you want?
http://www.impactguns.com/store/uberti_1860henry.html

BTW: The U.S. Krag was never chambered in 30-06.
It was chambered for .30 Gov/30-40.

rcmodel

Werewolf
August 29, 2008, 05:03 PM
Civil War replica rifles, not muskets, rifles. Both muzzleloading and breech loading.

yokel
August 29, 2008, 05:03 PM
SVT40

Hakim Rifle

scrat
August 29, 2008, 05:03 PM
well id love to say as many as i can get. but i think it would be to what i can afford

Josh Aston
August 29, 2008, 05:12 PM
The 1903 is nowhere near roughly the size of a P3AT. It's a lot bigger.

rcmodel
August 29, 2008, 05:16 PM
The .45 ACP 1903 referanced in the OP was built by Cylinder & Slides Bill Laughridge.

It was built on a flull size 1911 frame, with added parts silver soldered on to cover the hammer & make it look like a 1903.

You could make roughly 6 or 8 P3AT's out of it!
Or maybe 1 1/2 1903's!

rcmodel

Slater
August 29, 2008, 05:33 PM
The old SMLE (No 1 Mk 3) rifle. So ugly it's attractive, and a very smooth operating bolt action with 10 rounds of .303.

RtHG77
August 29, 2008, 05:59 PM
For civilians, eh? Can anybody say Gatling Gun? :D ;)

Its a bit unwieldy, since it was intended to be towed by horses like cannon of that era, but it'd be a blast to drag that up to the range.

Deanimator
August 29, 2008, 06:12 PM
Any of the older Webleys: RIC, Webley-Green, Webley-Wilkinson, etc.

11mm Montenegrin Gasser.

6.5mm Bergmann auto.

CZ.22
August 29, 2008, 06:14 PM
Hmm. A bunch of the old Colt and Smith revolvers, the SMLE (in .308), a , some of the low-cost SD options.

Bobarino
August 29, 2008, 06:26 PM
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indiandave
August 29, 2008, 07:11 PM
S&W model 3

amprecon
August 29, 2008, 07:19 PM
A fully functional M1A1 Thompson with 30-rnd mags.

Jim Watson
August 29, 2008, 07:24 PM
Some of the stuff listed is available from Italian makers; S&W No 3, Springfield and Enfield rifle muskets, Sharps, Remington, Henry, and Winchester rifles. Prices are high, the Euro is $1.46 and the guns not of particularly simple manufacture.

There are some US made period guns, I don't know of a new Martini, but there is an outfit doing Peabodys. Even more non cheap. There is even a current maker of Gatling guns, including an early one firing from chargers instead of cartridges. Legally equivalent to a muzzleloader, have it shipped to your door.

I recall that Laughridge said you could have one of those hammerless pocket model .45s for about $8000.

There are a lot of Bubbafied well made military rifles and pistols. Plow in enough money and you could restore one for a shooter without making a collector kill a kitten.

You can have your fun but you will have to pay for it.

Tommygunn
August 29, 2008, 07:27 PM
Bobarino, Mossberg is making the Winchester .30-30. IIRC it's a Model 464. I isn't a precise copy of the Win. 94 but it is pretty close.

zxcvbob
August 29, 2008, 07:29 PM
M14, and maybe M2 Carbine.

Jim Watson
August 29, 2008, 07:56 PM
Sorry, bob, you are going to have to get the law rewritten to allow for that.
Obama won't do it. Doubt McCain would.

General Geoff
August 29, 2008, 07:57 PM
M1918 BAR


for some reason the forum won't let me capitalize "BAR" without adding additional commentary.

jrfoxx
August 29, 2008, 08:02 PM
Johnson M1941 semiautomatic rifle
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl20-e.htm

I just think they are great looking, and very neat in design. Sadly, real ones seem to be pretty hard to find, and are a bit pricey.If someone could make faithfull, good quality replicas for under $1000, I'd buy one, since odds are slime I'll aver have the $5000 minimum for a real one.:(

MGshaggy
August 29, 2008, 08:07 PM
For civilians, eh? Can anybody say Gatling Gun?

Yep, but they are still made by a few smiths. You just need a very thick wallet ($30k-60k or more). Here's some pics of one from a machinegun shoot I was at last year.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g210/nfa1919/face041b.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g210/nfa1919/face042b.jpg

Loomis
August 29, 2008, 08:32 PM
.577 caliber antique british revolvers.

sniper5
August 29, 2008, 08:34 PM
Not that old but Winchester 88

High Planes Drifter
August 29, 2008, 09:00 PM
2, off of the top of my head, I'd like to see would be the SMLE, and 1896 Swedish Mauser.

sd
August 29, 2008, 09:08 PM
enfields, webleys, 1903 colt autos,
single action colts and remingtons, smith and wesson russians, lever rifles in .32 special,.32-20, .38-40.
USFA might be making one of the early versions of the 1911, no grip safety and chambered for .38 colt round.

Vern Humphrey
August 29, 2008, 09:15 PM
Colt Shooting Master in .45 Colt. Colt Woodsman.

rbernie
August 29, 2008, 09:19 PM
No4MkI chambered in 6.8SPC or 6.5 Grendel or even 7.62x39.

DPStx
August 29, 2008, 09:20 PM
Winchester 52's, 94's, Remington Model 4 rolling blocks(no better kids starter rifle, IMHO).

Jim Watson
August 29, 2008, 09:20 PM
USFA has been showing a prototype of a pre-war Woodsman, complete with Maxim Silencer. Like I said, most of this stuff is available if you don't mind paying for it.

Brian Williams
August 29, 2008, 09:25 PM
Stevens Little Scout 14 1/2

yesit'sloaded
August 29, 2008, 09:54 PM
I have one.

kurts_armory
August 29, 2008, 09:55 PM
i think they should start making classic m1's again(carbines and garands). Ok, i know these aren't really old like some of yours ideas, but, correct me if im wrong, i haven't seen any new mfg garands/carbines. also, those Spanish 9mm largo carbines are pretty neat, i got the opportunity to shoot one a while back.

cowboy77845
August 29, 2008, 10:05 PM
I am not a Black Powder guy, but I would really like to have a Ferguson rifle.

Savage Shooter
August 29, 2008, 10:12 PM
M1 garand in .223 for cheaper ammo
EVERY WINCHESTER EVER MADE !!!
thompson
B.A.R. DIE ZOMBIES:D
Sharps in .308 and smaller centerfire:evil:

Ditchtiger
August 29, 2008, 10:12 PM
heard talking that Taurus may make a broomhandle Mauser

Hypnogator
August 29, 2008, 10:34 PM
Another vote for the Krag Carbine. With modern metallurgy in .30-40, and, yes, .308 Win. :D:D:D

And how about another round of new Lugers, while we're at it! :cool:

Tom Servo
August 29, 2008, 10:40 PM
That'd be the great, though I'd settle for current production of Krags in 6.5mm Swede.

Prophet
August 29, 2008, 10:49 PM
Any Webley revolver. I love those things. :)

+1 on broomhandle. I saw one at a shop down in SC one time... I think the price tag was around 1700 or something.

Quiet
August 29, 2008, 10:49 PM
Mauser C-96 in 7.62x25mm.

Joat
August 30, 2008, 01:41 AM
83874

83875

83876
A more modern version of the Lemat, this one took shells, but I'm sure with modern metals and machines it could be turned into one brute of a hand gun.

Vern Humphrey
August 30, 2008, 09:12 AM
Another vote for the Krag Carbine. With modern metallurgy in .30-40, and, yes, .308 Win.
The problem with the Krag is that single locking lug, which puts asymetrical forces on the bolt (which is why so many have cracked bolts.)

The Scandanavian Krags were a bit better, with the safety lug also bearing, so they had two lugs (but still asymetrical.) In the American Krags, the safety lug didn't come into play until the mail lug failed.

I don't think the Krag design is up to modern pressures, and wouldn't want it in .308.

adkpete
August 30, 2008, 09:33 AM
Colt Woodsman .22 pistol

crushbup
August 30, 2008, 09:35 AM
.223 FAL (They had prototypes, but were never produced, barring the Red Rock Arms stuff)
.223 Garand (Closer to the round it was intended for)
Colt 1903/08
Martini-Enfield (Easier on the shoulder and wallet than the Henry)

Sig P210 at a reasonable price and/or in .22

zxcvbob
August 30, 2008, 09:51 AM
"Sorry, bob, you are going to have to get the law rewritten to allow for that" [M14 and M2 Carbine]

That was my point (plus I like the guns)

4v50 Gary
August 30, 2008, 10:03 AM
Hey, I've got a Ferguson and one museum wants it from me.

What would I want? How about an experimental Garand with a BAR magazine. I don't need it to be selective fire, but a M-1 with detachable BAR magazine would be neat.

Loomis
August 30, 2008, 10:26 AM
Savage shooter:

That garand in 223 caliber to save money already exists. IT's called a ruger mini 14.

jkingrph
August 30, 2008, 10:30 AM
96 Swede, with better sights for old eyes, Make it in the 38, short rifle version for easier handling. 99 Savage with roatery magazine, and while we are at that maybe the old Mannlicher carbine in some of the old mild calibers like the 6.5x55 or 7.57.

revjen45
August 30, 2008, 10:47 AM
Webley-Fosberry self-cocking revolver.
Johnson rifle.
Dardick (just kidding on that one) :p

Kentucky-roughrider
August 30, 2008, 11:08 AM
A Winchester 1895 carbine in 30=40
A Krag carbine in 30-40
a Evens rifle
A old model or 1st generation Varaquaro with a flip out clynider.

Jaot, I had the same idea in Dream Revolver theard

matt87
August 30, 2008, 03:02 PM
Rbernie, there is an Australian company that makes No.4 clones in x39 (using AK mags) and x51 (using M14 mags). Adjustable sights and an M1903 rail too.

http://www.australianinternationalarms.com.au/

Zedo
August 30, 2008, 03:12 PM
Blunderbuss -- one that manages rocks and nails. :D

MatthewVanitas
August 30, 2008, 03:25 PM
M1918 BAR

Were you aware that Ohio Ordnance does indeed make semi-auto 1918A3 BARs?


http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/semi-auto/SLR-semi.html


Not exactly cheap though ($3500)...

rbernie
August 30, 2008, 04:49 PM
Rbernie, there is an Australian company that makes No.4 clones in x39 (using AK mags) and x51 (using M14 mags). Adjustable sights and an M1903 rail too.
So they say. Nobody has seen one, and there have been two supposed US importers that never materialized a single example. There was one reported sighting in SE Asia of one example, and it was reportedly very poorly done.

I've read the stories - I'll believe it when I actually see it. :)

macadore
August 31, 2008, 01:24 AM
Trapdoor

Diamondback6
August 31, 2008, 02:29 AM
Colt 1903/1908 up-bored for 9mm NATO.
TSMG in .50GI and titanium.
Sniper Garand and M1903, with repro correct scopes.
WWII trenchguns with bayonet lugs and heatshields--the '01 Ithaca "Homeland Security" was an almost-but-not-quite.
Semiauto Ma Deuce at an affordable price.

matt87
August 31, 2008, 06:59 AM
So they say. Nobody has seen one, and there have been two supposed US importers that never materialized a single example. There was one reported sighting in SE Asia of one example, and it was reportedly very poorly done.

I've read the stories - I'll believe it when I actually see it.

Oh, they do exist. http://www.ukgunroom.com/viewGun.jsp?id=10508 Probably not enough demand on your side of the pond to get dealers' backside into gear. Damn you and your semiautos... ;)

Lewis130
August 31, 2008, 10:53 AM
Funny you should say a 1903 Pocket Hammerless since I was toying with that rather attractive idea myself a couple of days ago.
I've never seen one upclose, but I've heard that they're quite oversized for the .380acp, so .45acp with modern manufacturing should be theseable.

GRB
August 31, 2008, 11:08 AM
Water pistols that looked like ray guns, circa 1964-65.

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