Can anyone identify this writing.


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DeerSlayer7600
August 30, 2008, 03:27 PM
Just bought this tin of ammo an I was wondering if anyone could tell me what is written next to the 7.62. Thanks.

http://img40.imagevenue.com/loc613/th_20690_tin_122_613lo.jpg (http://img40.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=20690_tin_122_613lo.jpg)

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Zedo
August 30, 2008, 03:47 PM
It's Russian. The photo is blurred or out of focus -- hard to tell which. Also, the photo file is unnecessarily large. There's no reason to post large photo files online. They don't result in perceptably greater "resolution" on a standard computer monitor.

So, instead of handing you the fish, we can teach you how to fish . . .

Google "Russian alphabet." "Cyrillic alphabet" will work too.

Match up the letters you see with the alphabet listed -- cut/paste. Then use Google "language tools."

It's gonna get complicated. Think of it as a "puzzle." I don't speak/read Ruskie, but I can tell you this contains no vowels. It's probably an acronym. That's going to make finding a translation a bit more complicated.

OK . . . now I'm gonna get more coffee, sit back and see what happens. :D

bthest86
August 30, 2008, 03:56 PM
To me it looks like Hebrew.

bubba1
August 30, 2008, 04:02 PM
Looks like Cyrillic - DGL

Maybe a case of heavy ball 7.62x54R?

bcp
August 30, 2008, 04:03 PM
Three similar:

http://www.brassandlead.com/7_62x54?b=1

http://kaiservontexas.blogspot.com/2008/02/sealed-spam-can-eastern-bloc-ammo.html

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=25561

Zedo
August 30, 2008, 04:09 PM
It's Cyrillic. Trust me on this. Linguistics is my field.

Old Grump
August 30, 2008, 04:15 PM
Its Cyrillic and probably Russian in origin and means OGP or DGP.

DeerSlayer7600
August 30, 2008, 04:16 PM
I know it is 7.62x54, thats why i bought it. I just wondered if that was the bullet weight. the bullets have yellow tips.

Rob62
August 30, 2008, 04:20 PM
When you open the can up post the headstamp information on the cartridge case head and I will look up the manufacturer info in one of my reference books.

You may want also want to check this out:

http://forums.handloads.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19321&PN=1

Or this may even be better:

http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/topic/25752

Regards,
Rob

DeerSlayer7600
August 30, 2008, 04:23 PM
I see a 10 and a 55 on the headstamp. The guy at the store said it was packaged in 1953 i think.

Leecz
August 30, 2008, 04:24 PM
x54Russian?

I really don't know, all I DO know is it's some form of Cyrillic writing. I think. :(

JDoe
August 30, 2008, 04:29 PM
Bulgarian 1955 7.62x54r Lead Core Heavy Ball (http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo016.htm)

DeerSlayer7600
August 30, 2008, 04:33 PM
Looks like it. I was hoping it was 147gr, but i guess 180gr cant be too bad in an M44.

Old Guy
August 30, 2008, 04:37 PM
You could just pull a bullet and weigh it?

Rob62
August 30, 2008, 04:38 PM
According to the reference I have, the "10" indicates a manufacturer of; Arsenal, Kazanlak (previously named Durjava Voenna Fabrika), Bulgaria, when found on ammunition made after 1946.

OR it also could be Russian State Arsenal, location unknown. Listed here to avoid confusion with the previously mentioned Bulgarian factory using the same code. Found on ammunition made 1946 and earlier. Factory Ceased operations in 1946.

The "55" indicates year of manufacture - which would pretty much rule out the Russian State Arsenal.

Maybe not exactly what you were looking for but it may get you closer.

Rob

DeerSlayer7600
August 30, 2008, 04:41 PM
So what I'm finding is that it is most likely 180gr bullets. Anyone shot this in an M44?

woodfiend
August 30, 2008, 04:43 PM
That my friend is Bulgarian heavy ball. I believe it is 182. grain. I have the same stuff, bought it off of Aimsurplus.

SDC
August 30, 2008, 04:47 PM
It's Bulgarian Cyrillic, from Arsenal 10 at Kazanlak; the yellow tips are the Combloc identifier for "heavy ball" (machine-gun ammo, but it will work fine in rifles).

Loomis
August 30, 2008, 04:49 PM
It's russian. equivalent latin letters would be DGL. My guess would be those letters stand for draganuv long, or something like that.

Or it could be the russian equivalent of what we know as the "PSL rifle"

Who knows.

Avenger
August 30, 2008, 06:39 PM
I've fired a lot of the Bulgy heavy ball from an M44. My experience has been that it isn't as accurate as light ball, but it is more consistent. I.E., you may get 4in groups, but they will always be in that 4in. You won't get 2in groups for 4 rounds with the last one going exploring in the weeds, like the light ball seems to throw out occasionally.
The recoil is going to be brisk, though.

rodregier
August 30, 2008, 10:56 PM
If you purchased it and don't mind opening the packaging, you could always pull the bullet on a sample cartridge to get the projectile weight. Opening the container would also give you access to the headstamp detail.

SDC
August 30, 2008, 10:57 PM
According to the Department of Defence, the Cyrillic "DGL" next to "7.62" stands for "heavy lead-core bullet in a brass case".

Zedo
August 31, 2008, 03:16 AM
Kewl ! ! !

I knew it would be some sort of acronym and that you'd need some sort of ammo reference to get at it.

182 gr. in 7.62 X 54R is good stuff. Right in there with 30-06 Spfd.

DeerSlayer7600
August 31, 2008, 03:07 PM
Thanks to everyone for your help. I will be going to the range shortly to try it out, i will report back.

DeerSlayer7600
August 31, 2008, 09:20 PM
So, I fired 5 shots at 75yds, not even on paper. Moved to 25yds, 3-4 inches left, height is fine, this was with the bayonet folded to the side. I was told by a friend after i got home to shoot with the bayo extended so i guess i will try that next time.

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