Question about a rifle round


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Mrs. Armoredman
August 30, 2008, 06:43 PM
Is there any such a thing as a 243 cal. round for a rifle? I don't know what kind of rifle would shoot a round like that. I watch lots of Tru TV and they said the 243 and a 308 round was fired out of a 308 rifle.

Could someone please tell me if this is a real round (the 243 round) This happend in 1995. They were out shooting Elk with this type of round. Is that the proper round to shoot Elk with?


Thank you guys in advance.

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Afy
August 30, 2008, 06:47 PM
.243 is very real round. Rifles that fire it?

Those chambered in .243 from Winchester, Remmington, Sako et al...

Can you fire a .243 out of a .308. I dont know. I own niether... so theoretically it might be possible.

But *** would you want to do that? .243<.308 so at best it would rattle its way out to 10 MOA accuracy... is your rifle built by a french boutique shop?

rcmodel
August 30, 2008, 06:51 PM
Two different calibers based on the same case.

The .308 is fired out of a .308 rifle.

The .243 Winchester is fired out of a .243 rifle.

The .243 is basically a .308 case necked down to hold a .243" bullet.

You can't shoot them in a .308 rifle.

rcmodel

MutinousDoug
August 30, 2008, 06:52 PM
.243 Win is a standard cartridge based on the .308 Win. It could be accidently fired in a .308 chambered rifle. .243 is equivalent to 6mm. The .243 Win is usually considered an antelope and smaller sized game cartridge. .243 is a little light for shooting elk but it would be LEGAL to do so in the state of Colorado.

a-sheepdog
August 30, 2008, 06:56 PM
I have used a .243 Winchester on Deer sized animals but would not go elk hunting with it. It is an inherently accurate round with little recoil, great deer round for recoil sensitive people. As far as shooting it out of a rifle desgned for .308 Winchester or 7.62x51, I would be worried about a catastrophic failure. Could you technically get the round to go off if placed in a .308 Win rifle, my answer would be yes, probably so. I might be wrong but I believe that the .243 Win has the same lenght case as the .308 Win, just necked down to .243 diameter, but I will let someone with more knowlege about it confirm if that is true. I would certainly advise against such a feat unless you want to destroy your rifle and possibly injure yourself severely.

yesit'sloaded
August 30, 2008, 06:57 PM
.243 can be made from .308 brass. You can get a bolt action rifle in .308 and get a .243 barrel for it and shoot it fine with just a barrel swap. Another example of this type of cartridge is the .270 and the 25-06, both of which are a necked down 30-06.

rcmodel
August 30, 2008, 06:59 PM
You can't shoot them in a .308 rifle.I should have said you can shoot them in a .308, but you can't hit anything if you did.

The gun won't blow up or anything.
It would just fire-form the case back to a .308, and the bullet would go rattling down the barrel toward parts unknown.

rcmodel

Bwana John
August 30, 2008, 07:00 PM
The .243 is basically a .308 case necked down to hold a .243" bullet.
You can't shoot them in a .308 rifle.
I dont have them in front of me but Ill bet you CAN shoot a .243 in a .308.

It might not be real accurate, and theres probley quite a velosity loss, but Ill bet the .two fourty weak will chamber and go off just fine in a .308. If anything you might have a stiff bolt to close.

.308's will fire in a 06, Ive seen it.
.270's will fire in a 7mm Mag, Ive seen it.

Ill bet .243's will fire in a .308 Im going to the manuals to see.

PS just looked in the manual and .243 WILL fit and fire in a .308, exact base to shoulder case lenght and shoulder angle, headspace guages are the same.

Bwana John
August 30, 2008, 07:05 PM
Ill bet 7-08 and .260 ammo will shoot in a .308 rifle also, what a versitile cartridge! :evil:

Mrs. Armoredman
August 30, 2008, 07:05 PM
afy, It from the TV show Forensic Files. I was just asking if this round was real or if they made it up. I don't own a rifle that fires 308 rounds. I own a Ruger 10/22. I would never do something stupid like that.

Mrs. Armoredman
August 30, 2008, 07:08 PM
Thank you guys for the information.

wankerjake
August 30, 2008, 07:22 PM
While the .243 Winchester is not an ideal round for elk hunting, it is certainly capable of killing them. I have personally shot (and killed) an elk with a .243, but usually I use a .30-06. As with anything, shot placement is the key to killing an animal quickly. Most people agree that in general the .243 WIN is a little light for elk.

Shawnee
August 30, 2008, 07:22 PM
It's possible to fire a .243 cartridge in rifles chambered for several other calibers - the 6mm, the 25/06, the 7mm/08, the .270, the .308 and the 30/06... and there are probably be others.

It is not a good idea to do so, and could end up being a really bad idea.

However - it would be entirely possibe to do so and hit your target at ranges of perhaps 100ft. or so, and certainly across a room - which means someone could intentionally use a .243 cartridge in their .30/06 rifle to shoot their unfaithful wife - hoping the investigators would atomatically overlook the murder weapon because it does not (usually) use a .24 caliber bullet like the one they found in the wife's carcass.

Personally, I don't recommend the .243 for Elk, or spouses.

:cool:

Mrs. Armoredman
August 30, 2008, 07:29 PM
This lady on Forensic Files killed her husband because she wanted to run off with another man. She is doing life in prison for this. The rifle was a 308 Remmington acording to them anyway. Thanks Shawnee.

Shawnee
August 30, 2008, 07:51 PM
Un Hunh !

When you mentioned Forensic Files I sorta thought maybe it was something of that nature.

:cool:

Mrs. Armoredman
August 30, 2008, 07:54 PM
Her former inlaws are call her a greedy B. The reason why she went hunting with him and her ex-husband was to kill her current husband and get her ex-husband blammed for the killing. She ripped off her exhusbands rifle and his 308 ammo and shot her current husbans 3 times.


Yeah I agree it figures.

ziggy222
August 30, 2008, 08:12 PM
the danger would be when the 243 went off in a 308 barrel the case neck could rupture do to the large caliber chamber its in.this could send burning gasses shooting out off the chamber possibly destroying it and burning you and your eyes.also the case might not grip the walls of the chamber enough and slam into the bolt face hard enough to damage it.the case could blow apart and get stuck,the bolt also might not open.or it might just shoot fine.it is a big risk.if it does shoot fine,it will not have either accuracy nor velocity.

Mrs. Armoredman
August 30, 2008, 10:56 PM
OUCH thats sounds painfull. Plus ruining your rifle in the process. When the narrator described it I was confused on how she managed to fire a 243 in a 308 rifle. What would be a good rifle to go Elk hunting with?

Shawnee
August 30, 2008, 11:13 PM
.25/06

.257 Weatherby

6.5x55 Swedish Mauser

.260 Remington

.270 Winchester

7x57 Mauser

7mm/08

.280 Remngton

7mm Rem. Mag.

:cool:

MachIVshooter
August 30, 2008, 11:16 PM
It's possible to fire a .243 cartridge in rifles chambered for several other calibers - the 6mm, the 25/06, the 7nn/08, the .270, the .308 and the 30/06... and there are probably be others.

You'd have to beat the bolt closed with a mallet to get a .243 to fire in a 6mm/.25-06/.270/.280/.30-06 chamber; The 6mm rem and .30-06-based cartridges have much more body taper than .308-based cartridges.

Mrs. Armoredman
August 30, 2008, 11:17 PM
Thank you Shawnee

Shawnee
August 30, 2008, 11:45 PM
Hi Mach IV

You're right about the taper but the .243 case is short enough compared to the cartridges based on the 30/06 that the taper doesn't prevent chambering. (I think). :)
I was wrong about them fitting the 6mm Rem. though.

:cool:

Mrs. Armoredman
August 31, 2008, 12:10 AM
Ok here it goes. I am stupid. I am brain dead. I ask a question and I get asked if my Rifle was made in a beauty salon. The only person who gave sound advice without telling me that my rifle was made in a beauty shop was Shawnee. I thanked this person and I do appreicate the advice.

hangtime
August 31, 2008, 12:26 AM
Shawnee gave you some very valid info re: caliber selection for elk hunting but if you haven't gone to the "Hunting" section THR you are probably missing out on some of the best info available anywhere on the internet. Rifle selection for elk hunting here in Az. is more than just what caliber to use - if you are drawn for an elk tag over in the eastern rim country near Alpine or Hannagan Meadow the elevation and your physical condition will likely be more important than your choice of caliber. Spend a couple of days scouting for elk or tracking for a decent shot over ridges and valleys at 7000+ feet and you will begin to get the idea. I would recommend a rifle/scope combo that weighs no more than eight or nine pounds max that you can hit your target with out to 250 or 300 yards. Bullet weights of 140 to 250 grains are appropriate depending on the caliber but more important is your shot discipline. There is no rifle/ammo combination that can make up for a shot that should never have been taken. They don't call them "timber ghost" for nothing and more than one hunt has ended for me with the score favoring the game animal ( grin ). Good luck and good hunting.

Mrs. Armoredman
August 31, 2008, 12:29 AM
I am not blamming anything on Shawnee. I agree Shawnee knows whats she's talking about. The culprits know who they are and it's not her or you.

Mrs. Armoredman
August 31, 2008, 12:33 AM
Thanks hangtime.

Jeff F
August 31, 2008, 12:42 AM
.243 for elk

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While the .243 Winchester is not an ideal round for elk hunting, it is certainly capable of killing them.

I know of a couple of elk my cousin killed with a .22 hornet. Not that I would try such a foolish thing with the hornet I have killed a few mule deer with a .243.

ugaarguy
August 31, 2008, 12:51 AM
Mrs. A, I've seen the Forensic Files episode you're talking about. All the rounds fired were .308 Win. Some of the rounds recovered were .308" diameter, and some .243" diameter. At first the investigators thought they were looking for two rifles. They later realized that the recovered .243" diameter rounds were .308s whose jackets were stripped as they passed through a timber fence post.

Mrs. Armoredman
August 31, 2008, 12:55 AM
ugaarguy, Ok now I understand what they were talking about. Thank you for clearing that up for me. There is nothing wrong with going hunting with your spouse but dang don't kill the guy in the process. I didn't like her anyway.

Matt-J2
August 31, 2008, 12:58 AM
Mrs. Armoredman, a boutique (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/boutique) is not necessarily a beauty salon, though it can be. It refers to more or less any small, privately owned specialty shop. The vast majority of local gun shops are boutiques.

kurts_armory
August 31, 2008, 02:21 AM
i have a .243 wssm (winchester super short magnum), that thing is fast! i would strongly recommend NOT firing a type of cartridge out of a rifle chambered for another. this could be incredibly dangerous, and is not worth the risk. beside this, .243 is 24 caliber, and .308 is 30 cal. the '43 might fit in the chamber of the '08, but even if it worked, you would get no accuracy because the round wouldn't effectively contact the rifling.

Afy
August 31, 2008, 05:04 AM
Mrs. Armoredman... my reference to the French Boutique... was a snide reference to my own troubles with a custom rifle I have had put together in France. A simple search will bring up the background.

Wasnt meant to be disrespectful towards you, and certainly had nothing to do with a beauty salon. In truth I didnt even notice your username until I re-read this thread. I apologize if it upset you.

EShell
August 31, 2008, 09:13 AM
Hi Mach IV

You're right about the taper but the .243 case is short enough compared to the cartridges based on the 30/06 that the taper doesn't prevent chambering. (I think).
The shoulder diameter of the .308 and the .308 based cartridges is several thousandths larger than a .30-06 or .30-06 based cartridge.

This can be proved out by looking at the .30-06 head diameter and shoulder diameter, calculating the taper and deriving the diameter at the point equal to the length of the .308 shoulder. A .308 WILL chamber in a .30-06 Ackley Improved version or a .308 chamber would allow conversion to a .30-06 Ackley Improved style case, which has a modified body taper.

Twud
August 31, 2008, 11:06 AM
Any of the 300 Mags will do fine using a well constructed bullet. Swift A-Frames or Nosler Partitions will do the job. If you can't handle the recoil you could go down to a 270 with a heavy bullet.
My Dad used to use a 243 and brain shots only, but he was one hell of a shot.

Bwana John
August 31, 2008, 11:38 AM
The shoulder diameter of the .308 and the .308 based cartridges is several thousandths larger than a .30-06 or .30-06 based cartridge.

That is true.. BUT

I have seen a 308 shot in a 30-06 chamber (M-1 Garand), nobody even knew anything was wrong, cases extracted and ejected just fine, the bullets hit the 300 yd target (rapid fire prone stage).

When we were picking up brass after the stage was over was when we noticed Dennis had some really funny shaped brass.:what:

BENELLIMONTE
August 31, 2008, 11:51 AM
MRS A,

I use my 243 Win. for my doe mule deer hunts here in S.W Idaho. With 100 grain bullets it would be effective for game up to the size of buck mule deer. I drew a cow elk & doe mule deer tag and will be using either my Remington Model 700 "Guides Choice" 7mm-08 or my Tikka T3 in 270 Win. Hope this helps.

Shawnee
August 31, 2008, 12:14 PM
"TWUD" makes a good point 0 the .243 will work fine on Elk IF you are willing to shoot it in the head, and IF you get that opportunity, and IF you are a good enough shot to accomplish that shot.

Those are big "IFs" but certainly not impossible by any means. I have no doubt I could do it - but I would still choose a 7mm/08 or .270.


:cool:

Mrs. Armoredman
August 31, 2008, 02:03 PM
Mrs. Armoredman... my reference to the French Boutique... was a snide reference to my own troubles with a custom rifle I have had put together in France. A simple search will bring up the background.

Wasnt meant to be disrespectful towards you, and certainly had nothing to do with a beauty salon. In truth I didnt even notice your username until I re-read this thread. I apologize if it upset you.



Your apology is accepted. I am sorry to hear that your having problems with a french made rifle. I hope you are able to straighten it out.

Afy
August 31, 2008, 06:14 PM
Your apology is accepted. I am sorry to hear that your having problems with a french made rifle. I hope you are able to straighten it out.
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