Whitney Navy dissasembly


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kletus
August 30, 2008, 07:56 PM
Hi there anyone know how to take apart a Whitney navy revolver?
How do I remove the cylinder?

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pohill
August 30, 2008, 10:28 PM
Turn the knob on the frame 1/2 turn to loosen the loading lever assembly. Pull that assembly out. Then it's the same as a Remington - cock the hammer about 1/4 to 1/3 as you rotate the cylinder out of the frame.
What do you have for a Whitney?

http://i38.tinypic.com/nlpohg.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/2lt37fk.jpg

Same as a Spiller & Burr
http://i35.tinypic.com/14uvxas.jpg

kletus
August 30, 2008, 11:04 PM
Thanks a lot , a 2nd model.
I'm planning on using pieatta spiller and burr cylinders in it for occasional target practice as the spiller and burr is supposed to be a southern clone of the whitney.
Think they'll fit?

pohill
August 30, 2008, 11:24 PM
Is your Whitney an original?
I think my Whitney is a 2nd Model, 3rd type (I'll have to check on that). The Spiller & Burr is very old but the cylinders on these two aren't even close.
Spiller & Burr on left
http://i36.tinypic.com/2j4ards.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/2ufx5qp.jpg

kletus
August 30, 2008, 11:38 PM
Damn it, I figured that the spiller was a direct clone.
I'm sure I could get my smith to tig weld and machine them to Whitney size, any idea on which cylinder would be a better candidate?
Yeah the Whitney is original.

pohill
August 30, 2008, 11:50 PM
The Spiller & Burr was a copy of the Whitney, but what model Whitney? Probably an earlier Whitney. And was it an exact copy or a general design? Depends on what you read.
What's the serial number on yours? Mine is 13989 on the frame and 14024 on the barrel (off by 35). Military marks on several parts, too.
I actually fired mine a few months ago. It's in great shape.
Bottom of trigger guard (before I cleaned it up). Note the Whitney Eagle to the left of the serial number.
http://i38.tinypic.com/15cjbzb.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/swuuso.jpg

pohill
August 30, 2008, 11:54 PM
Check this out:
http://www.texasranger.org/dispatch/17/pages/Whitney_Revolver.htm

kletus
August 31, 2008, 12:01 AM
The pistol is in the shop now getting a new front sight installed.
I was really hoping on using reproduction cylinders.
I'm going to refinish it as well,were the original frames case hardened or blued?

pohill
August 31, 2008, 12:10 AM
I'm pretty sure they were blued. Mine has the plumb brown patina now, and the barrel is still pretty much blued.
Mine is missing the front sight, too.

kletus
August 31, 2008, 12:20 AM
I find them to be the most visually pleasing of all the cap and balls, its a shame you can't find reproduction parts for them anywhere.

pohill
August 31, 2008, 12:32 AM
Someone - not sure who- makes a Whitney repro, maybe Palmetto. Try Dixie Gun Works.

Tommygunn
August 31, 2008, 12:38 AM
Yes, Palmetto makes a Whitney repro. I have one and yup, got it from Dixie.
The revolver is OK but the wood grips leave something to be desired. One side looks like it suffered smallpox as a kid ...:eek:
Palmetto is said to be about the lowest on the totem pole in so far as quality. I have one of their Roots revolvers and the barrel is on crooked.
On the Whitney repro I noticed the nipples have washers underneath them. I wonder if the originals do? I don't know why but, hey, Palmetto must have had a reason so I put 'em back when I'm through cleaning.
Whether DGW makes repro parts I don't know, but they are usually very helpful if you call them.

pohill
August 31, 2008, 12:45 AM
Mine doesn't have washers under the nipples - maybe a different model did.
How does the cylinder of yours compare to the one I have (on the right in the pic of the cylinders). I wonder if they match.
I want a Root - is the one from Palmetto worth getting?

Tommygunn
August 31, 2008, 01:50 PM
The cylinder in my Palmetto Whitney looks almost identical to the Spiller & Burr cylinder on the left, rather than the real Whitney as on the right. Whether or not they'd interchange ... dunno. There's an obvious difference in how the ratchet slots are machined that the pawl moves but I don't know what that means.
The safety slots on the Palmetto also more closely resemble the Spiller & Burrs slots rather than the ones on your original. Thanks to the way Palmetto machined the hammer (incorrect profile) they are totally useless on the Palmetto; the heel of the hammer hits the base of the cylinder. A Dremel might correct that should I somehow come to believe that using the safety slots was important. Palmetto .... *!SIGH!*
I know I have a Pietta Spiller & Burr and the two cylinders will not interchange. Nor will the arbors change.
The Root revolver is a very interesting one.
As I said, the barrel on mine wasn't indexed correctly. On Roots the cylinder index (or locks) on the rear end of the arbor. There are no slots milled into the cylinder. The arbor rotates and the locking lock pops up from below at the rear of the gun.
This works because the arbor has a square piece machined on the front that fits into a mating part on the cylinder. Because of this weird set-up, when reassembling the gun from cleaning, if you don't "guess right" when seating the cylinder, the revolver will index exactly in between the chambers, necessitating a do over ... and a better guess.
Because of the high price these go for I am going to say I ultimatly do not think they're really worth it.
The gun indexes OK (when I guess right about re assembly) but it's a little loose sideways. The wood grips are crudely finished, though perfectly serviceable.
I'm sure if Uberti made this they might charge more but make a better product in the end. If the Palmetto was cheaper then I'd say OK ... it's rather like the old Armi San Marco guns. They did work but weren't always as "pretty" as they could be -- especially in the company's later years.
If you're in a position where you can't afford big expenditures and want good results then I would advise you to pass on the Root.

pohill
August 31, 2008, 03:51 PM
Thanks for the tip. I saw an original Root in Maine not too long ago that was within reason - well, within reason for my defective brain.
I'd like to find another deal like I got on the Whitney - the store where I bought it didn't think it was an original, even though it says "E.Whitney N.Haven" on the barrel. One salesman said it was a pre-Italian repro, that's why there are no proof marks on it. Another salesman said parts of it are original. I think the only "new" part is the turning knob for the loading lever assembly. They sold it to me for $350.

kletus
August 31, 2008, 04:04 PM
Wow, you got quite a deal.
Your pistol is easily worth 3 times that.

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