[Zedicus]

What Untrue bullcrud Crutch's/fallbacks do anti's you have known allways use?

The fave Anti crutch i've run into currently is Bowling for Columbine.
I have never seen it, nor do I particualarly want to wast my time doing so...

What about you guys?

[willyjixx]

think of the children! think of the children

[Black92LX]

I have never seen it, nor do I particualarly want to wast my time doing so

i highly suggest that you do. yeah it is completely ridiculous, but it's good to know the enemy.

beware you will be extremely pissed of afterawrds

[Kaylee]

"it's stupid to have/carry a gun for defense. he'd just take it away and use it against you"

:rolleyes:

-K

[Henry Bowman]

"You don't need . . ."

"If it prevents just one death . . ."

"If it helps to solve just one crime . . ."

[WAGCEVP]

they have an answer for everything these days! In the 20 something years I'vw been in RKBA, I've heard it all - from , it's fer the chirrun- if it only saves one life, , the 2a is old and archic, we don't need guns fpr protection - that's what cops are for, Women don't need guns - it might be taken away from you and used aginst you, we don't want your gun- we just want reasonable gun laws that will keep them out of the "wrong hands", to the newest one I've heard recently - you can't use the GSL over 2 million times a year statement any more because a small percentage of theose attackers were not armed ( with anything but hands and fists,)

:banghead: :rolleyes:

[critter]

'Just give them what they want and you will not be hurt'!

[Standing Wolf]

I've never heard anything truthful from anti-Second Amendment bigots. I don't mean they don't occasionally get a fact right here and there: I mean even when they get facts right, they embed them in lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, and plain old-fashioned illogic.

[Zedicus]

I have new Anti Joke for you, probably been thought of before though....

How does an Anti take a Shower?

They Pee aganst the wind!:p

[C.R.Sam]

"If it saves only child...."

Sam

[Duncan Idaho]

The fave Anti crutch i've run into currently is Bowling for Columbine.Check out this site: http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/index.htm

Lots to think about there.

[Black92LX]

"well you can't hunt with it so what's the point?"

:cuss:

[ReadyontheRight]

"Don't worry -- nobody's going to take away your precious hunting rifle."

Ummm -- It's rifleS and hunting pistolS and RKBA has little or nothing to do with hunting.

[greyhound]

the National Guard IS the Militia!

[Nightfall]

"Get real, we're not living in the Wild West anymore, you don't need guns..."

:banghead:

[chrisb507]

So what IS the answer/rebuttal to "If you have a gun, they'll just take it away and use it against you"? Or the variation: "It's more likely to be taken away and used against you"?

I have heard this argument often, usually from smaller or less hearty folks. Now, I know my answer to this question: "Well, if he was still around, then he would use it to beat me to death, 'cause it would be empty. "

But how do you address this fear that guns are "more likely" to be taken away and "used against" the very folks who carry them? Any good stats or good arguments that have worked for you?

I ask only because I hear this often--and it sometimes seems like it is the only objection some antis can voice.

[ReadyontheRight]

So what IS the answer/rebuttal to "If you have a gun, they'll just take it away and use it against you"?

If someone is willing and able to take a gun away from me, I assume they could hurt me pretty badly with or without a gun.

This kind of reasoning seems to assume that if you just lie back, do what the bad guy says and try to enjoy it, the bad guy will eventually go away. If you put up a fight, they will make an example of you. History and my own personal experiences tell me that the truth is the exact opposite.

I guess if someone bought a gun, never figured out how to use it, threw it in their sock drawer, pulled it out in response to a bad guy and very obviously did not know how to use the gun, this could happen. Sounds exactly like the kind of passive/aggressive behavior many antis exhibit. "I had a gun once, but I was afraid of it, so I don't think you should have one..."

You may notice that on almost every gun board the answer on "What gun should I buy for self-defense?" is quickly follwed by "be sure to practice, practice, practice..."

[ReadyontheRight]

I have heard this argument often, usually from smaller or less hearty folks.

Law-abiding smaller and less hearty folks are the ones who SHOULD have guns (along with the rest of us).

This piece of prose was supposed to have been engraved on the stocks of an Arizona lawman's Colt SAA:

"Be afraid of no man,
No matter what size.
When trouble threatens, call on me,
For I shall equalize."

[ReadyontheRight]

So what IS the answer/rebuttal to "If you have a gun, they'll just take it away and use it against you"?

Or...An even better response:

"YOU! Out of the gene pool!":D

[Duncan Idaho]

So what IS the answer/rebuttal to "If you have a gun, they'll just take it away and use it against you"? Or the variation: "It's more likely to be taken away and used against you"?I tell them that if it is so easy to take a loaded gun away from someone, that I will just take it back. Then I roll my eyes at them and say something along the lines of "Have a nice day imbecile!" And move on. :p

[chrisb507]

Ready, Duncan good responses. I never thought of the "Well, if it's that easy, I'll just take it back!" OTOH, "out of the gene pool!" isn't the argument I want to use with my anti wife. :)

But it seems this argument is based on FEAR, at its heart. "Well, if a bad guy could get my gun, then they have a tool to KILL me!" Sure, but, if a bad guy is ready to kill you, don't you want to stop him, first?

Man, I was hoping for an easy way to answer this argument. But how do you argue against the irrational fear of antis? Any logical arguments? Thanks, all...

[Jeff OTMG]

So what IS the answer/rebuttal to "If you have a gun, they'll just take it away and use it against you"? Or the variation: "It's more likely to be taken away and used against you"?


At this point draw your pistol (or at least your finger), point it at them and say:
"Go ahead, take it away. You have one second before I kill you."

[ninenot]

Chrisb507: If the perp is THAT close that he can disarm you, you are in imminent danger of grave harm. FIRE!!! Best course is firing to disable the perp. At that range it should not be too hard to avoid fatal wounds. Shoulder, upper leg--no problem.

[0007]

ninenot - If the goblin is that close, it's "center-mass" for the target time. The old rule of thumb (proved in court on several occasions) is 21 feet or closer and you are in serious trouble... Maybe you could tell the police(when they get there 5-30 minutes later) that you tried to shoot him in the leg, but he was too close.

[SoCalGeek]

Probably the most effective rebuttal for the disarming argument would be to take a firearm (which has been cleared SEVERAL times.), point it at them (with their permission) and ask them to show you how they might disarm you before you got a chance to shoot.

EDIT: Not that i advocate this at all...

[Geech]

I'm in an argument right now with a guy using this argument: "Guns empower people to commit crime. They don't cause it, but they make it easier." They guy might cite an article, like the recent story about gun traficking between states, but if it's disproven he falls back on that.

[Nightfall]

Umm, just to interject real quick... about the advice on pulling out your gun and pointing it at somebody... regardless of how 'clear' it is... umm... maybe it would be better to use, oh, I dunno, like a squirt gun or something. Wet spots on the shirt of said person would leave no doubt as to who won, and you could still be within the bounds of the big 4. Plus there won't be any news reports with you going 'I swear I thought it was unloaded'. :)

[CleverNickname]

"Guns empower people to commit crime. They don't cause it, but they make it easier."

Guns empower people to defend themselves. Lack of a firearm doesn't prevent it, but it makes it easier.