I don't mind people who disagree, but when they just refuse to think at all...


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357WheelGun
September 2, 2008, 06:34 PM
The, "I'm just a comedian" defense. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzfwkdm_Pw&feature=email)

Pointed out an error in reasoning (claimed that crime went down in states where people were allowed to carry because the population when down, I corrected him saying that crime went down on a per-capita basis) and the guy goes nuts. Is this what we have to look forward to? People with absolutely no willingness at all to look at both sides? I don't mind someone disagreeing, that's all well and good, but for pete's sake, at least look at the information that's out there. :banghead:

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highlander 5
September 2, 2008, 06:39 PM
Link sucks. Starts runs for a few seconds then stops for a minute then runs a few seconds.

Jorg Nysgerrig
September 2, 2008, 06:40 PM
Link sucks. Starts runs for a few seconds then stops for a minute then runs a few seconds.

You might want to try dialing your ISP again and see if you can connect to a 56k line.

357WheelGun
September 2, 2008, 06:42 PM
Blame Youtube's servers. The link gets you there, the servers just aren't serving. :P

Chris Rhines
September 2, 2008, 06:50 PM
The rule about never arguing with an idiot goes double in YouTube comments...

- Chris

357WheelGun
September 2, 2008, 06:59 PM
The rule about never arguing with an idiot goes double in YouTube comments...

Sometimes it's just too entertaining to resist. And it's better that than getting snippy with the co-workers who are screwing up my project right now. ;)

subierex
September 2, 2008, 07:01 PM
Reading any Youtube comment section, gun related or otherwise, makes me weep for the future of humanity.

/Is our childrens learning?

Caliban
September 2, 2008, 07:08 PM
so true

http://xkcd.com/202/

OOOXOOO
September 2, 2008, 07:14 PM
Yes the children are learning, but they are not learning anything useful.

SCKimberFan
September 2, 2008, 07:29 PM
It ain't just about guns & crime - try to bring up any anti global warming info and you'll be crucified as an infidel and a no-nothing. They are right and you are an idiot. Nobody can disagree anymore.

Scoutsout2645
September 2, 2008, 07:41 PM
Unfortunately this is the way that ALL discourse is going today. There is a general attitude that all issues need to be framed in terms of "right" and "wrong", and a refusal to admit that your position might not be well thought out, or even *gasp* the wrong one. The whole "Red state/Blue state" thing is typical of how our society has devolved the concept of "debate" down to "you're stupid"--"no, you're stupid". This inflexibility and unwillingness to actually HEAR other people's points is our growing weakness, and may be our ultimate downfall.

jakemccoy
September 2, 2008, 07:43 PM
so true

http://xkcd.com/202/

That cartoon sums up why I disabled and erased comments on my video channel.

http://www.youtube.com/user/iq201

jonmerritt
September 2, 2008, 09:52 PM
Guns and global warming, show me real facts and I will discuss either. Don't try to baffle me with bull that were all melting and guns are killing us all befor we can melt.

deaconkharma
September 3, 2008, 09:52 AM
"I really don't care what you specifically think about them or me. Scouts honor."

Ahh but you do! Otherwise you wouldn't have posted this bunk for people to watch. You know, the blood flowing in the streets has also never happened despite you and your ilk's prophecies, when states passed concealed weapons laws.

Remember Cain used an uzi to kill Abel right? People find ways to kill each other but since we can't ban morons and crazies why not blame an inanimate object? sigh. Liberals...

Artiz
September 3, 2008, 10:21 AM
Wow, he doesn't seem to know that guns are not responsible, a gun itself will not kill anybody (unless a gun can make it's own decisions, i'll come back on this later :scrutiny:), the real weapon is the human being behind the gun, that's it, that's all.
A lot of people can "kill other people" without using a gun, that is what I call the human machine. :rolleyes:
Man I need to stop watching youtube's anti-gun noobs, makes me crazy... .. .. ... maybe not. :banghead:

Prophet
September 3, 2008, 10:42 AM
I just posted up as rushthebunker. You guys are right... sometime it is just too entertaining to resist. :)

Picard
September 3, 2008, 10:51 AM
Unfortunately this is the way that ALL discourse is going today. There is a general attitude that all issues need to be framed in terms of "right" and "wrong", and a refusal to admit that your position might not be well thought out, or even *gasp* the wrong one. The whole "Red state/Blue state" thing is typical of how our society has devolved the concept of "debate" down to "you're stupid"--"no, you're stupid". This inflexibility and unwillingness to actually HEAR other people's points is our growing weakness, and may be our ultimate downfall.

I would say that things are just the opposite. With the way that people think today, there is no right or wrong. The Constitution no longer means anything. Four Supreme Court Justices now believe it to be a "living" document that can be misinterpreted however they please. So much emphasis is place on "opinion" and not on reality/truth. The truth exists whether or not we believe it and that's the way it will always be.

There is a right and a wrong. Gun control is wrong, plain and simple. It doesn't work. We need to convince other people of that, but we need to respect them and this means listening to them. Otherwise, they will not give us a chance to explain ourselves and we will get nowhere.

Josh Aston
September 3, 2008, 01:24 PM
Arguing over the internet is kinda like the special olympics.

kevindsingleton
September 3, 2008, 01:47 PM
We've also got to move away from the approach that anti-gun = liberal. Not only does it inflame the argument; it's also a misnomer.

It's actually the pro-2A stance that is the more liberal. Peg the Democrats for what they are: anti-gun fascists. They want to control and restrict and prohibit; exactly the same things they say about conservatives in regards to controversial issues such as sex-ed, gay marriage, and abortion.

On the gun rights front, we're the liberals!

What do we want? Freedom!

When do we want it? Now!

BHPshooter
September 3, 2008, 03:28 PM
Yeah, everybody loves a comedian.

I like how he immediately likens gun owners to people that "have something to hide." We, the gun owners, were here first. I'm pretty sure we can get the British to testify of that fact. Why should we hide anything?

:rolleyes:
Wes

woodybrighton
September 3, 2008, 03:41 PM
I actually thought that was a funny joke.
Oleg could always do a picture with some angry redcoats
going dam we just didn't implement gun control fast enough:evil:
or better yet liberal gun control types being rounded up be redcoats and the motto
"WERE BACK
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK"

357WheelGun
September 3, 2008, 04:57 PM
I actually thought that was a funny joke.

I agree about the joke. The misinformation really was in the comments he posted.

MT GUNNY
September 3, 2008, 05:52 PM
See the idiot to the right! click on (NRA forever) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3gryugbyw8&feature=related

GNLaFrance
September 3, 2008, 08:05 PM
Nobody can disagree anymore.

Very much like the situation with the slavery question in 1860, just before South Carolina seceded and then bombarded Fort Sumter. We all know what happened after that. I'm more sure than ever that something like it is going to happen again, and soon.

SCKimberFan
September 3, 2008, 08:35 PM
Wouldn't surprise me either. It may even start in SC again...

I'm just sayin'

nplant
September 3, 2008, 08:49 PM
Someone owes me a new keyboard... that comic is hits it dead on the head.

BruceRDucer
September 3, 2008, 09:14 PM
Hey 357 WheelGun, thanks for posting that.

I left the guy a -10 rating and a comment to the effect that he was being cute, rather than rational.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Prophet
September 3, 2008, 11:47 PM
Personally, I only thought he was funny when he started commenting...lol.

Stevie-Ray
September 4, 2008, 12:59 AM
See the idiot to the right! click on (NRA forever)Dude, you said it wasn't loaded! What a moron! Darwin came close.

That one is right on the heels of I'm the only one professional enough in this room to handle a Glock forty.

BruceRDucer
September 4, 2008, 02:31 PM
Hey 357 Wheel Gun:

I watched the video, and left the guy, you know, a mildly critical comment. He wrote back.

He used profanity, and adopted a mocking tone, and started making negative comments about me.

So I left another comment, indicating that negtivisms such as his, which denigrate other people, probably led to eventual violence.

I also told him that he wasn't rational, which he isn't.

Man, you nailed that exactly right. That guy doesn't think, and probably couln't think if he wanted too. All he knows is name-calling and acting cute. What a negative person.

/:uhoh:

hoosier8
September 4, 2008, 02:36 PM
Hey, I think this applies:

"I don't trust facts - facts change. But my opinion will NEVER change!" Stephan Colbert

Prophet
September 4, 2008, 03:59 PM
Well, I took the argument as far as I see worth pursuing. I'm tired of fighting with the other half of my generation thats flying down the sheeple tube... willingly, even.

Man, that guys a :cuss:

Prophet
September 5, 2008, 06:58 PM
Hmm. He deleted all the comments. We must have hurt his feelings.

Oh well! I saved the text to Word anyways for my own reference. I had a feeling he'd do that.

I just wish there were a way that you could make someone so stubborn see the truth of a matter...

Johnnybgood
September 6, 2008, 02:19 AM
Yeah, I've got a neighbor across the street and a co-worker or two who are just like that. Not the name calling variety, just unwilling to learn. All emotion, no fact.

Wildfire
September 6, 2008, 02:40 AM
Hey there.
What I have to say about that kid is not gonna be very nice.

Naaaa. I better not.......

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