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BHPshooter
September 3, 2008, 03:47 PM
I find myself in a debate, and my mind is cluttered. I remember reading somewhere the stats regarding CCWers and their accuracy vs. police, their record of identifying the correct target vs. police, and the cleanliness of their background vs. police.

Can anybody help me find those stats?

Wes

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elChupacabra!
September 3, 2008, 04:12 PM
I remember hearing from Levy at the Cato institute that in 1996, police accidentally shot and killed 330 innocent victims, whereas in the same year, civilians only accidentally killed 30 wrong targets. That's not much but I hope it helps!

BHPshooter
September 3, 2008, 04:38 PM
That's one of the stats I was looking for. Thanks!!! :D

Wes

c1ogden
September 3, 2008, 06:50 PM
The numbers I've heard have remained constant over the last few decades. Citizens tend to shoot the wrong person about 2% of the time and we (cops) tend to shoot the wrong person about 11% of the time. This actually makes sense because the citizen knows who attacked him. We usually come in well after the fight has started and don't know who is who.

I don't know the source of the stat but I've heard it in many different training venues from the police academy to various police and gun magazines.

Bennett Prescott
September 3, 2008, 06:59 PM
http://www.gunfacts.info/

tpaw
September 3, 2008, 07:12 PM
The numbers I've heard have remained constant over the last few decades. Citizens tend to shoot the wrong person about 2% of the time and we (cops) tend to shoot the wrong person about 11% of the time. This actually makes sense because the citizen knows who attacked him. We usually come in well after the fight has started and don't know who is who.


Also keep in mind that LEO's are involved in more shootings than civilians, accounting for a higher percent. Keeping all things equal, if non LEO's and LEO's were involved in the same amount of shootings with the same circumstances, I THEN wonder what the stats would show?

VARifleman
September 3, 2008, 07:22 PM
tpaw, the percent of civilian shootings that result in an innocent hit is independent of how many happen because it's normalized due to being a percent.

MIL-DOT
September 3, 2008, 09:18 PM
(quote)"Keeping all things equal, if non LEO's and LEO's were involved in the same amount of shootings with the same circumstances, I THEN wonder what the stats would show?

But they're not involved in the same amount of shootings, which is why the stats are listed in percentages for each group, rather than total numbers. And as for "same circumstances", that's even less possible.

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