[azhunter122]

I loves Glocks for many different reasons an think that it is THE best gun for law enforcement. But are they safe for CC? No safeties and whatnot? What are some DAO guns that have safety's on them?

[Zundfolge]

No safeties?

There's half a dozen (http://www.glock.com/english/pistols_adv01.htm)safeties on the darn things ... why do you think they call them "Safe Action" pistols? :D


If you really really want a manual safety on a Glock you can either buy a Springfield XD with the manual safety, or you can add a manual safety (http://www.tarnhelm.com/GlockSafety.html)to the Glock.

[Jorg]

I'm not sure how someone who professes to love Glocks for many different reasons wouldn't be able to answer that question for themselves. Their operation is pretty straightforward and determining what is safe to carry is pretty subjective.

[tpaw]

Are Glocks Safe?

If you keep one in the pipe, just keep your finger off the trigger unless your ready to use it. I like to think of it as a semi-auto revolver. Don't pull the trigger and it won't shoot.

The compact version of the G17, this is the preferred pistol of NYPD’s 40,000 officers, and the standard weapon of United Nations Security personnel. Used by Executive Protection professionals worldwide, comparable in size and weight to the small .38 revolvers it has replaced, the 9x19 GLOCK 19 is significantly more powerful with greater firepower, and is much easier to shoot fast and true.

[Black Majik]

Only as safe as the owner...

[CountGlockula]

Keep your finger off the trigger until you're sights are aligned and sure of your target. This rule is Glock's emphasis on safety.

[Eyesac]

I've never once heard anyone question/complain about the safety of revolvers...:scrutiny:

[Artiz]

The most reliable safety is located between your ears, Glock's and a lot of other pistol's safety are based on that. The glock's safeties are really well made, but like I said, you are the safety.

[Sean Dempsey]

The resounding anecdotal evidence, and hard evidence, is that a Glock (or Glock Clone) will not fire EVER unless the trigger is successfully pulled.

If you can live with that, then it's perfectly safe. If that makes you nervous having a loaded chamber with no physical trigger safety, then you might want to look at Sigs or H&K's.

And I'll admit it, knowing I'll get some flak, but I sold my XD's and am now purchasing a H&K USPc .45, with safety AND decocker. I will carry the gun chambered, but decocked and safetied. Many here have expressed their disapproval of such method, but it will serve one VERY IMPORTANT purpose:

I'll carry my gun more since I feel more at ease.

[rondog]

I'll stick with my 1911's, thankyewverymuch! Just not a Glock fan is all.

[Loomis]

If you wan't safe, put a trigger lock on it before you put it in your pocket.:)

[Artiz]

I'll stick with my 1911's, thankyewverymuch! Just not a Glock fan is all.
So why this post? :scrutiny:
Anyway, I have enough control of my body to know where my fingers are, I have enough tactile sensation to know what my finger is touching, or not touching. I'm sure it's your case too.

[ftierson]

Safe for me...

Not safe for the 'bad' guy...

:)

Forrest

[Artiz]

Well said.

[Black Majik]

I'll stick with my 1911's, thankyewverymuch! Just not a Glock fan is all.

How is this relevent to the discussion at hand at all?? :confused:

[chriso]

I hate this question. If YOU know what you are doing and YOU are safe then there should be no problem. Maybe the question should be "Am i safe enough to CC?" I love my Glock and never ask my self "Is it safe with one in the pipe?", Only because i know it only goes boom when i pull the trigger.

[never_retreat]

They are dishwasher and microwave safe.
:evil:
Thats about it.

If you want good plastic firepower look at the XD's and the HK's

[cpaspr]

Glocks, just like all guns, are only as safe as the operator. If the operator stupidly keeps his finger inside the trigger guard as the weapon is holstered, and does it rapidly enough, the operator will get a bullet in the leg. Just like with a revolver, but the Glock has a lighter trigger pull than a DA revolver, so it is more likely to happen before the operator realizes he's moments away from serious pain.

Neither of my Sigs has a safety. Both have decockers. I decock, then holster, with my finger out of the trigger guard. Perfectly safe. If I need it in a hurry, I draw, acquire the target as my finger moves to the trigger, and if necessary, pull the trigger and the gun goes bang. With a Glock, absolutely no change to the procedure. With a revolver, again, absolutely no change to the procedure. Only the trigger pull weight changes between the three platforms.

The primary safety for all guns is between the ears of the operator.

If you properly learn to carry a Glock, you will carry it safely. Finger off the trigger till target acquisition is attained.

If you properly learn to carry a 1911 (or variant), you will do so safely. In drawing the 1911, you will have learned to sweep the safety off as you draw. In holstering the 1911, you will have learned to sweep the safety back on as you come off target and your finger comes off the trigger.

[cslinger]

I've never once heard anyone question/complain about the safety of revolvers..

Just food for thought the trigger of your average Glock is MUCH lighter then your average revolver.

My take, Glocks are as safe as the user. They are however a bit less forgiving of mistakes then true double action firearms.

I own two Glocks and God help me I actually like the ugly cusses and I have no problem carrying them but they are handled very carefully and are used with proper holsters etc.

All guns are inherently dangerous, they are supposed to be. Just learn the weapon, use a proper holster and follow the safety rules and you will be fine.

chris

[R&J]

They are dishwasher and microwave safe.
:evil:
Thats about it.

If you want good plastic firepower look at the XD's and the HK's


Nice attempt to slip in the inevitable Glock bashing... :rolleyes:

And it is, of course, nonsense.

By Glock's own volition, he designed his guns to exclude external safeties and other doodads. It was neither an oversight nor an error. :scrutiny:

If results matter, I've got over 30,000-rounds on three Glock models with no repairs or parts replacements needed, and all three guns are deadly-accurate in good hands. That's good plastic, IMO! :p

To the OP: If you feel you need additional safeties to be in a comfort zone while carrying, add a trigger lock or select another gun. Alternatively, you could carry without a round in the chamber for several weeks or months, and then see how you feel about carrying with a loaded chamber.

--Ray

[rondog]

How is this relevent to the discussion at hand at all??

OK, in the hands of an experienced Glock owner and shooter, they're probably safe. If someone unfamiliar with them (like a child or curious goober) picks one up and pulls the trigger, they're NOT safe. They'll go BANG.

A local LEO shot himself in the leg at the PD range with a Glock this spring. While he was holstering it, part of his jacket (tail, zipper, drawstring, whatever) got in the trigger guard and it went BANG. Not his finger, but his jacket. That doesn't make 'em sound very safe to me.

My 1911's have thumb safeties and grip safeties that both have to be defeated before they'll fire, that makes them safer. That's just MY opinion.

I'm not bashing Glocks.....the question was, "Are Glocks Safe?" IMO, in the right hands, yes. In the wrong hands, no.

[gc70]

Any pistol is safe while carried in a good holster that prevents access to the trigger. Safety issues arise getting the pistol into and out of the holster and controlling the pistol when it is out of the holster, particularly in a stress situation. As long as you keep your finger (and other objects) off the trigger, there is no safety issue with any pistol while outside the holster.

How does this apply to a Glock? Simply that Glocks lack the redundant manual safety features of some pistols. Are those features needed? Not if the gun owner always controls the pistol properly. Unfortunately, humans sometimes have failures of the primary safety between their ears and redundant manual safety devices can be useful in those situations.

[cslinger]

I'm not bashing Glocks.....the question was, "Are Glocks Safe?" IMO, in the right hands, yes. In the wrong hands, no.

I agree with you to a point. I don't think Glocks are beginner handguns and rarely recommend them to new shooters due to the light trigger, no external safeties and having to pull the trigger to disassemble.

I don't think external safeties are necessary however, just a heavy traditional double action trigger pull.

All that being said guns shoot when the trigger is pulled and that is not a bad thing. It all comes down to training and attention to detail.

[OOOXOOO]

I have carried at least 1 Glock on me in different holsters and set ups for more than seven years and I have had absolutly no problems. Buy a holster. Make sure it covers the trigger, and follow the four rules (keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot).

[Navy joe]

It is gun, it is not safe.

Don't pull the trigger unless you want to shoot something.

[meef]

If you like Glocks but feel uneasy about the lack of a manual safety, then Cominollii Custom has a solution for you.

Their website:

http://www.cominolli.com/

A pdf file with a list of the people who will do the install:

http://www.cominolli.com/images/Installation_currently_available_through.pdf

[Texshooter]

Is driving a car or motorcycle safe? No

Is flying safe? No

Is swimming safe. No

There are many things/activites that are not safe. That is, without risk.

Is handling any firearm safe? No, there is a risk.

But it is up to the person to minimize, and hopefully try to eliminate, any risk.

It is a choice.

[browningguy]

Glocks may be prone to AD's (or ND's for those who don't believe in accidents) by not having any safety (external) other than the trigger blade. I can see how these have happened by getting a jacket/shirt/etc caught when trying to reholster. Personally I just don't like the way they fit my hand so I shoot an XD, I also do like the grip safety, seems like a plus to me.

Revolvers are generally considered safer due to the long heavy pull required. Glocks have a shorter lighter pull, and when the cowboys put their 3.5 pound triggers in them things could get very interesting.

[VegasOPM]

I think that GLOCKs are much safer than pistols with safeties. There is no possibilty of a manual safety becoming accidently engaged when I need the gun to go bang.

[glockman19]

No it's not:eek:...Please carefully put the gun into the case and mail it to me ASAP. I'll take care of it for you. :D

[Dgreno]

I CCW a Glock 30 everyday and it has a 3lb trigger pull! If you keep your booger hook (and everything else) off the bang switch you'll be fine.

[RNB65]

But are they safe for CC?

Yes, as long as they are carried in a proper holster and treated with the respect a loaded firearm demands.

[Prince Yamato]

I had the same fear a couple years ago. I now use a G26 as my primary carry.

Here's how it works:

The Glock is drop-safe, but that's not everyone's primary fear. The primary fear is that somehow the little manual trigger safety gets depressed and that the trigger gets depressed with it. On a standard Glock, that's very difficult. The trigger guard is very wide and most everything brushing against it will brush away from the trigger. The trigger safety is very narrow, with little surface area for anything to contact. Most of the weight is in the gun's front end, so that if the trigger is used as a fulcrum (ie, you balance the gun on its trigger) the gun will fall forward and your finger will be contacting the underside of the trigger guard. The shape of the trigger aides in this as well. In short, the weight of the gun prevents it from firing if something is merely placed within the trigger guard. With this in mind, you could theoretically twirl a loaded Glock on your finger and not have an AD.

The weight of the standard trigger is such that it cannot "go off" easily. There is a "stopping point" before the trigger is pulled. A "point of no return" if you will. You can depress the trigger to this point and still not engage the firearm.

With a proper IWB holster, the chance of an AD are further reduced as entry to the trigger guard area is blocked by the sides of the holster. In addition, the wearer's belt will further reduce the chance of anything entering the holster by cinching it shut.

In short, it would take a complete act of God for one's Glock to discharge while being CCWed.

[FourTeeFive]

If you keep one in the pipe, just keep your finger off the trigger unless your ready to use it. I like to think of it as a semi-auto revolver.

I've never once heard anyone question/complain about the safety of revolvers...

I've never met a revolver that has a double-action trigger pull that is anywhere close to being as light as that of a Glock.

[possum]

if you are gonna add a manual saftey to a striker fired or dao pistol you might as well get a 1911. the benifit of the striker guns, and such wothout a manual saftey is the fact that you can draw and shoot and that is it. i carry only striker/dao guns. never an issue, they are plenty safe.

[CZF]

Not safe for my wallet. $600+ for this beauty.
http://onfinite.com/libraries/1394028/ad6.jpg

[wyocarp]

I don't think Glocks are beginner handguns and rarely recommend them to new shooters due to the light trigger.


Light trigger???????? There is nothing light about a Glock trigger and there is a lot of travel. I don't even understand how someone could set off a Glock without it being intentional. Compared to a nice revolver when shot single action, the Glock trigger feels like it needs to be pulled back a mile.

[Lonestar49]

...

Glocks are as safe as the Time-Keeper of the Glock

Knowing what the correct time it is, and should be, with a Glock, always..


Ls

[lksseven]

Sean Dempsey,

I'm 100% in your camp. A thumb safety/decocker is the only way I'll carry with one in the pipe.

[dmazur]

Glocks may be prone to AD's (or ND's for those who don't believe in accidents) by not having any safety (external) other than the trigger blade. I can see how these have happened by getting a jacket/shirt/etc caught when trying to reholster.

I believe there was a reholstering incident with a US Marshall and a Sheriff's Deputy (?) at a courthouse. I think both were injured. While the gun involved wasn't identified, a spokeperson said it was standard practice to issue Glocks.

The ensuing discussion covered holster safety straps, edges of Kydex holsters, shirt-tails, fingers, etc.

Basically, anything can do this when you are reholstering a Glock. It can also happen to an XD if you grip it normally when reholstering. I believe an XD fan said he modified his grip and pushed on the slide when reholstering, enabling the grip safety.

I believe the person has to be more than marginally trained with whatever they carry, and that it requires a safety "mindset"' more than anything else. Often referred to as "the safety between your ears".

[FourTeeFive]

Light trigger???????? There is nothing light about a Glock trigger and there is a lot of travel. I don't even understand how someone could set off a Glock without it being intentional. Compared to a nice revolver when shot single action, the Glock trigger feels like it needs to be pulled back a mile.

I don't know of anyone who carries a revolver cocked in single-action mode. So the comparison to a "nice revolver when shot single action" doesn't make much sense to me. My point earlier was, for those talking about a Glock being like a revolver, is that the Glock trigger pull is MUCH lighter than a revolver double-action trigger pull. Or "traditional" double-action semi autos (DA/SA type of actions).

[shootinstudent]

I've come to view it as actually more safe than pistol concepts that use a safety swtich.

"Don't worry, it's on safety" is the famous last phrase that is usually followed by "But I thought it was on safety!" or "Dude it's not supposed to go off with the safety on!"

It's better to have no doubts as to whether or not pulling the trigger will activate the firing sequence. That way there's no need for "curious" minds to play with the trigger under the mistaken assumption that the safety makes the gun safe.

[12131]

All guns are safe. It's the handler that's not.

[mvl]

GLOCK, Safe action pistol ...

[frogger42]

The only safety any gun needs is between your ears. :banghead:

[12131]

"I'm the only one here professional enough to *BANG!*.":evil:

[Noxx]

I think Cpaspr put it most succinctly, plenty of reliable carry guns have no external safety, and yet we don't see a rash of Sig AD/ND threads.

Sure the Glock has a lighter pull than a DA auto or revolver, but the solution remains the same, which is to keep your $%@#ing finger off the trigger until you intend to fire it. :D

[azcoyotehunter]

When reaching into a drawer in the middle of the night if you happen to grab the trigger, it's going to go off. I've always wanted my Glock to have a safety, I never chamber it unless it's being carried.

[MCgunner]

I don't care how many automatic safeties are built into a glock, a twig or something gets in the trigger guard, it can be a disaster. For carry, you can be safe with one with good, stiff trigger covering leather, but there's just something about a gun with such a short, light trigger and no option of an external safety that I just don't like. I don't carry a 1911 or a shotgun or something with the safety off, after all. I prefer a true DAO or DA decocker with a more revolver like action to the trigger, or just a DA revolver. If you carry one and you like it, fine. But, you ain't talkin' ME into carrying one. There are just too many options I prefer to a Glock. Glocks work, they're accurate, they function flawlessly, they're rugged, good guns. But, I'm just not in love with "safe action". I'm a DA shooter and I prefer pure DA, not a 4 lb short throw with a doohicky on the trigger. My choice, you make your own.

[KINGMAX]

GUN SAFTEY IS BASED UPON YOUR ACTIONS !!!!!

[MCgunner]

OTOH, Murpy told me...stuff happens. Shirt tails CAN get caught in trigger guards when reholstering. It has happened, happened to ME just the other day, but no problem with my Ruger P85. I can't undress every time I holster the gun.

I'm so paranoid, I hold the decocker down when I reholster one of my DA guns. LOL The P85's decocker doesn't return, so I reholster it safety on, then kick it off in the holster after holstering it. Sure, safety is between the ears, but it helps to have a safety friendly gun action.

[KINGMAX]

I own a GLOCK 21. I am an ex GI, Third Armored Division. Have always considered the 45 acp the best personal protection round of all times. I chose a GLOCK for the dependability factor, never for it's looks. I have never encountered a misfire, malfunction or have an errent round go off. Although the stock trigger is a bit heavy, I do not worry about letting a round be released down range until such time I have decided to squeeze it off. NO PROBLEM HERE W/ MY GLOCK.

[MCgunner]

If it works for you, great. May all your rounds go down range and may your legs ever remain holeless. :D

ME? My .45 of choice is a Ruger KP90DC.

[Navy joe]

Obviously I am in the keep your booger hook off the bang switch camp but I will add one caveat. If I cannot carry in a proper holster whether it be off body, mexican, mexican loop or whatever I carry Condition 3 so I don't have to deal with unexpected objects activating the trigger. 6 years of Glock carry, no problems.

[CountGlockula]

My very first semi-auto is a Glock. I HIGHLY recommend them for beginners, because they teach them to keep my mitts off the bang switch until they're good and ready.

[jocko]

If u love everything about a glock, which I do but are the slightest bit apprehensive about the safety, then go to siderlock.com. That will solve your problem and to me is one of the finest safety money can ever buy. Just drops in and works perfect and IMO right where it bleongs also.

have one on my sons G19 andhe loves it. You don't have to use it either and there fore works just like a regular glock..

[blackcash88]

There's half a dozen safeties on the darn things

Um, you need some basic reading comprehension because your link states there are THREE safeties, not SIX. There's really only two, though. The "trigger within the trigger" and the firing pin block (drop safety) that gets disengaged by the trigger bar when the trigger is pulled.

[mpmarty]

Glocks are safe until the first time they do an ND by virtue of a shirt tail, thumb snap, or other item that wanders inadvertently into the trigger guard. When reholstering a duty weapon after presenting it and finding you need to put it back away as the crisis is over, your fine motor skills are not at their peak. Add to this the need to keep your attention (eye contact) on the perp or whoever you had drawn on the odds of shooting yourself with a Glock are just much higher than with most other duty weapons. I no longer own one, had three at one time, glad they're gone.

[jocko]

all the more reason to put on the siderlock.

[Zundfolge]

I've come to view it as actually more safe than pistol concepts that use a safety swtich.

"Don't worry, it's on safety" is the famous last phrase that is usually followed by "But I thought it was on safety!" or "Dude it's not supposed to go off with the safety on!"
I'm more worried that I'll be in a state of extreme stress when I need my gun and when I draw it I may not properly actuate the safety (or forget it entirely) and when I try to pull the trigger I'll not get that reassuring BANG I expect.

Milliseconds in a gunfight are life and death.


full disclosure: I don't carry a Glock, but I do carry a Steyr and have carried a Kahr in the past. No manual safety for me unless I'm carrying a SA C&L.

[kcshooter]

I HIGHLY recommend them for beginners, because they teach them to keep my mitts off the bang switch until they're good and ready.That could be an expensive lesson.


Personally, I prefer a da/sa or dao on a gun without a safety. I don't think Glocks are inherently any less safe than any other gun, however they do take a little more care and caution. I don't think they are a beginner's gun.

[Tarvis]

keep your booger hook off the bang switch
That is a good one, I'm gonna have to write that one down ;).

Funny how this argument could be made, while on the other end of the spectrum 1911's in condition 1 are argued to be "unsafe" when there are 3 specific acts that have to take place, two of which simultaneously after the first, for the gun to fire.

[blackcash88]

Tarvis, you mention three things regarding the 1911. Draw, thumb safety off, pull trigger?

[Magnus1959]

Help! objects keep trying to get into my trigger of my Glock. They keep trying to shoot me.:neener: People that have trouble with the Glock should not even own a gun.

[jocko]

the bogger hook tells it all.

[R&J]

"I'm the only one here professional enough to *BANG!*." :evil:


Yeah, but that was the dread Glock 40! :eek:

--Ray

[krs]

One thing about a Glock or similarly safetied weapon - if it should happen to get away from you and under the control of a BG he or she will have no trouble figuring out how to shoot you with it.

I sort of like the idea of an AH trying to kill me with my own gun but it not firing when he pulls the trigger. Might still have another play.

[FourTeeFive]

One thing about a Glock or similarly safetied weapon - if it should happen to get away from you and under the control of a BG he or she will have no trouble figuring out how to shoot you with it.

Very good point with which I happen to agree. Here is a recent case where the safety saved a life or two (shotgun, but still...):

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=390123

[FranklyTodd]

No, they are not. No Glock for you!

[ezypikns]

Any pistol is safe while carried in a good holster that prevents access to the trigger.