How do the Russian's do it?


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brigadier
September 3, 2008, 09:18 PM
Yesterday, I made a bunch of bullet key chains for my Ukrainian friends out of Wolf 7.62x39 steel cased ammo by pulling the bullets and drilling out the primer sockets.
I learned something really interesting about Russian ammo.
I really hate having a primer go off on me while I am drilling out the primer socket, so when I do this with American ammo, I soak the inside of the shell in water to get the primer wet before popping it out.
However, you cannot pop burden primers out (that I know of) but I tried soaking them so that it would at least be dead by the time I drilled it out.
After the desperate measure of soaking my 3rd try in water for 10 minutes, I just gave up. 10 minutes soaking and the primers still go off as if I hadn't soaked them at all. A pain in the butt if you are making key chains, but a very good sign to those who intend to use the ammo in their guns which is what caught my interest.
I tried to figure out how and found that the insides of the shells were coated with some red oil, but the oil could be seen in the water while the shells were soaking indicating that it may have not been stationary. In any case, the oil is my best theory. Do any of you guys know how they do this?

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bthest86
September 3, 2008, 09:23 PM
Can't you just shoot them to get the brass?

FourTeeFive
September 3, 2008, 09:26 PM
Can't you just shoot them to get the brass?

The steel cases can get pretty bent up extracted and ejected.

plexreticle
September 3, 2008, 09:26 PM
WD-40 is a good primer killer.

exar
September 3, 2008, 09:27 PM
I think it could be that lacquer they coat it with.

brigadier
September 3, 2008, 09:44 PM
Can't you just shoot them to get the brass?

I have them for a gun that I have started but not finished building. It's a scratch build, so it's not like I can just pop it in to an AK chamber, lock the bolt on the back and fire.
Since I have spent most of my time on the frame, the slide is not ready for doing stuff like that.
I do not have any other gun chambered for 7.62x39 Russian.

MachIVshooter
September 3, 2008, 09:47 PM
WD-40 is a good primer killer.

Or any other penetrating oil.

Sunray
September 3, 2008, 09:47 PM
Quit drilling live primers. It's extremely dangerous. A live primer popped out on a wooden chair goes 1/4" or more into said chair. It'll go right through your eye and your skin. Safety glasses will help keep 'em out of your eye though.
Water won't kill any kind of primer. WD-40 usually doesn't, reliably, either. Motor oil might, but there are still no guarantees. The bestthing to kill a primer is rifle.
"...cannot pop burden primers out..." Right Berdan primers get pried out by those that bother. You can buy American made boxer primed 7.62 x 39 brass, but quit drilling out the primers.

SDC
September 3, 2008, 09:48 PM
To waterproof primers, they usually use a drop of varnish on top of the inner foil seal (protecting the primer from any moisture that exudes from the powder), and seal the outside of the primer pocket the same way, so if you plan on doing this sort of thing (which can easily blind or maim you), you have to use something that dissolves that varnish, and then deactivate the primer compound.

KelVarnson
September 3, 2008, 09:52 PM
How about pulling off the bullet, dumping the powder, and then firing off the primer in a rifle before drilling it?

Cannonball888
September 3, 2008, 09:52 PM
nevermind

Threeband
September 3, 2008, 10:18 PM
You can deprime Berdan cases with hydraulic pressure.

Fill case with water. Insert close-fitting dowel in case mouth. Place on something like a wood or metal block with a hole drilled to provide clearance for the primer. Whack dowel with mallet.

Do this underwater (in small tank) to contain water spray.

bogie
September 3, 2008, 10:27 PM
Or, if you really, really want to do things the simple way, you buy a Berdan depriming tool, which is basically a punch with two points, which you use to feel out the holes, then tap with a mallet...

ColinthePilot
September 3, 2008, 10:35 PM
I'm curious how you make cartridge keychains? I don't know if this is common knowledge, but I sure don't know how to do it.

Navy joe
September 3, 2008, 10:38 PM
+1 on the hydraulic deprime, seems a pretty safe way to get a live berdan primer out.

Wes Janson
September 4, 2008, 12:40 AM
Orr.......

You buy a CZ 527 in 7.62x39, and go have fun shooting them :P

brigadier
September 4, 2008, 12:50 AM
I'm curious how you make cartridge keychains? I don't know if this is common knowledge, but I sure don't know how to do it.

What I do is put the cartridge in a bullet puller. It's basically a hammer that you put the bullet in and smack the hammer against wood or a solid surface and the shock of the sudden impact causes the bullet to jolt out of the shell where it lands on a soft pad in the puller.
Then I remove the primer. This topic is a good source of info about doing that. I use a milling machine, but I only use it because it's a convenience. All you need is a vice and a hand drill.
Then I get these fishing things that I cannot recall the name of at the moment, flatten one end, bend the other and drop it in the shell. Then, I put a pencil in the shell and rub it around the rim which creates a line around the pencil showing how steep the pencil fits in to the shell. Then I use a dremmel to cut the pencil as far below the line as I want the bullet to seat. Then I put the pencil in the shell and case the bullet on over it. Then I widen out the circular ring from the fishing thing (which is now sticking out of the primer socket and clip a key ring around it.
DONE!

Halo
September 4, 2008, 12:51 AM
The subject of killing primers comes up frequently in the reloading section here and at other forums. The short answer is, there's no solvent or oil you can soak a live primer in that will reliably render it inert. As others have mentioned, the priming compound is sealed by a lacquer designed to prevent exactly that.

You could save yourself some trouble and buy unprimed brass, or get some spent brass. They don't always get bent up, in fact most of the spent cases from my AKs look fine. I've got a few thousand laying around. Heck PM me and I'll mail you some :D

brigadier
September 4, 2008, 12:55 AM
I think more then anything, this is encouragement to finish up the gun, which I have been lagging on and planned to have done a year ago.
Unfortunately, I have other priorities.

Ben Shepherd
September 4, 2008, 12:55 AM
Yougo SKS. Set the gas valve to grenade. Pull trigger.

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