My plan to foil tresspassers...


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Rembrandt
September 3, 2008, 10:21 PM
Going to be some surprised hunters this year. Been trying to keep these lawbreaking hunters off my property for too long. Repeated calls to law enforcement and DNR have failed to nab them in time. Their reply is....."you get the evidence on them, and we'll prosecute".

Got the SmartScouter camera that sends the photo via cell phone in seconds. Also have a number of dummy cameras set up and video surveylance signs posted around the property. A mix of real cameras, fake ones, signs, and locks should do the trick. Once the word spreads about being photographed....it should be a nice peaceful hunting season.

http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_418542_imageset_01?$main-Large$

Imagine a scouting camera capable of sending you photos instantly anywhere in the world. That is a reality with the new SmartScouter system. All you need is an internet connection or cell phone to view all the latest images from your favorite hunting spots. The SmartScouter essentially is a 1.3-megapixel scouting camera capable of sending digital images just like a cell phone. Here's how it works: set up the SmartScouter just like you would a regular scouting camera. It will detect game movement and snap a photo. The image is sent wirelessly through the cellular network to smartscouter.com. You can then retrieve images and manage the camera from your computer or cell phone. Send pictures to your computer or cell phone within 40 seconds. Convenience is just one of SmartScouter's many advantages. It saves you time and money by eliminating travel expenses to and from camera locations for picture retrieval. You won't have to disrupt your hunting area, eliminating the chance of spooking away game before the start of the season. You get 24/7 picture viewing in real time for the most accurate scouting information. This means you'll know where to hunt tomorrow based on today's game movement. Each contract can have up to six different guest accounts, making it perfect for hunting groups and clubs. The SmartScouter can also be used as a normal scouting camera in areas without cellular coverage. It has a built-in compact flash (CF) card slot for easy image retrieval and allows you to use the camera in areas with no cellular coverage. The infrared monitoring flash system allows you to set the camera next to your stand location for precise scouting without the fear of spooking game with a white flash. The 50 infrared bulbs illuminate out to 60 feet. Three smart Passive Infrared Sensor settings (high, medium and low) detect different temperatures, while allowing the camera to sleep and conserve energy. The system is capable of taking pictures at specific times, and image resolutions can be set at high or low settings. Best of all, each of these adjustments can be made from your computer via your personal user account on smartscouter.com. SmartScouter currently sends pictures over the Sprint and Alltel networks to include their roaming partners such as Verizon.

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HB
September 3, 2008, 10:26 PM
pretty cool, just don't let them steal it, or you could just put
"trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again" signs up :evil:

Navy joe
September 3, 2008, 11:55 PM
That's slick if you have hunting land with cell coverage. Me, not so much.
I have considered a decoy camera with a well hidden real camera to catch trespassers destroying the decoy. Barring that, poachers seem to have the worst vehicle trouble. ;)

RIATAC45
September 4, 2008, 04:10 AM
The camera seems like a good idea to me. I wish they would have had those 7 years ago, i had some people spot lighting deer on our property back home. I called the game warden, but I was told unless they could catch them there was nothing we could do. The poachers were shooting the deer and cutting their heads off, (for mounts I guess) and leaving the carcass for the coyotes. I ended up with a big court battle when I shot one of them in the a$$ with 12ga bbb shot, while they were driving through the pasture. He was standing in the back of the truck, and yes I was hiding and waiting for them.

I feel you pain, I wish you the best of luck in ridding yourself of these trouble makers peacefully!

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
September 4, 2008, 09:45 AM
I ended up with a big court battle when I shot one of them in the a$$ with 12ga bbb shot, while they were driving through the pasture. He was standing in the back of the truck, and yes I was hiding and waiting for them

:D That poacher got what he deserved (well a small part of it) - what became of the court battle?

ImARugerFan
September 4, 2008, 10:54 AM
Make sure you have a way to lock it securely to a tree.

JR1
September 4, 2008, 02:58 PM
You are going to lose a lot of money in cameras. If there is the slightest thought that they have been photographed, the poachers aren't going to try and steal them, they are going to bust up every one they find. Even with your dummy cameras, there is a chance of them finding your high dollar one as well.

I feel your pain, and I hope it works out well and that they get their just rewards, but I hope you don't go broke in the process.

BattleChimp Potemkin
September 4, 2008, 03:14 PM
Buddy of mine had a motion camera on his land fraught with poachers. They found the camera and absolutely destroyed it.

Hard thing, these poachers. However, you are isolated and they are trespassing...:D:D

RIATAC45
September 4, 2008, 04:41 PM
Since I had locked gates, albeit dummy locked, under law in Oklahoma I was justified in protecting my property. The deer are not really my property, but were considered livestock, since a few of my uncles cattle ad also been wounded in their tirade. Long story short, I just ended up with my lawyer bills and court costs. They had to pay their own lawyer, vet bills for uncle David's cows, back window in their own truck, hospital bills,and $1000 a piece fine for all 3 of them.

rondog
September 4, 2008, 04:48 PM
A camera that transmits photos via cell phone? Like every time the shutter snaps, it sends a photo? Of every rabbit, squirrel, deer, etc.? How much does that cost to transmit each photo? How long does the battery last? How much money will you lose when they blow it apart with a 30-06?

DRYHUMOR
September 4, 2008, 05:01 PM
This pretty much says it all.

rondog
September 4, 2008, 05:16 PM
A ghillie suit and a suppressed rifle would be fun too.

Rembrandt
September 4, 2008, 05:39 PM
......How much does that cost to transmit each photo? How long does the battery last? How much money will you lose when they blow it apart with a 30-06?

Haven't got it installed yet (being shipped). I'll let you know how it works. Gotta check with my insurance agent to see if it's covered in case of theft or damage. It will be very well concealed and hard to detect. Not cheap ($650) but has the transmission features I'm looking for. Besides....it's a farm expense and a tax deduction.


Here's details on the costs.....
SmartScouter pricing plan: SmartScouter base charge is $14.99 per month (in season) and $7.99 when not in use (off season). You can hibernate your account for up to six months per year. The first 500 pictures each month are $0.04 for each low-resolution image and $0.10 for each high-resolution image. After the first 500 pictures, the fee is $0.02 for low resolution and $0.05 for high resolution. A wireless contract is required on activation. A one-time activation fee of $20 applies to all contracts. Cancellation fee is $75.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
September 4, 2008, 06:25 PM
A ghillie suit and a suppressed rifle would be fun too.

:D Do you remember in "The Jerk" when the oil cans start popping around him? :) Just start mysteriously breaking limbs and hitting the dirt & trees around the poacher with a suppressed weapon, and watch his reaction. :evil:

publiuss
September 4, 2008, 07:09 PM
I built a couple of pungi pits and put out some bouncing bettys at my place.:evil:

gregormeister
September 4, 2008, 08:20 PM
Thats a great idea...however I'm a broke broke man.....I like my method...post the heck out of my land and when I see a person on my land...confront him and kindly ask him to get off my land.....Sure I am known as a jerk around my area but its my 90 acres not theirs..

mgregg85
September 4, 2008, 09:09 PM
I would try to find where they are parking their vehicles when they poach and start doing a little constructive destruction. Some camoflauged boards with nails/screws upturned where they park and walk could really dissuade them. Just make sure you remember where you put these boards. This method worked well to stop random idiots from dumping garbage on my paintball field in private property. One day we came by to see a board thrown out into the woods with what appeared to be blood on it, one of the other boards in the roadway was dislodged so it appeared to have punctured a tire or two as well. This method works rather well in a two track road, just leave the high center path free so you may walk without worry.

Look at this situation as if it were hunting, you've gotta do a little scouting and find where these BGs are entering and parking, then you can move in.

It will be awful hard for them to complain to police about it if they try to say it happened to their vehicle when they were actively trespassing in marked land and poaching too.

Rembrandt, Does your state have castle laws that cover your land as well as your home?

HRT
September 4, 2008, 09:24 PM
It is amazing the tire problems that trespassers have had on my fathers property. Valve cores disappear. Valve stems are damaged i going through the cut fence and things like that.

Savage Shooter
September 4, 2008, 10:48 PM
"trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again" signs up
:D I know people that have those.
This pretty much says it all.
at the bottom line in the photo I would add
1-800-getthef@#&offmylandnow :evil:

wankerjake
September 4, 2008, 11:11 PM
i wish i had hunting land that was so sweet i had to fight poachers off with a stick...someday(sigh).

HB
September 4, 2008, 11:44 PM
"trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again" signs up
I know people that have those.

They seem to be pretty popular in the Ozark streams, along with "Turn Around A$$ h@Le" painted on plywood.

HB

Kman
September 4, 2008, 11:50 PM
It's a difficult situation, I had to give the local Warden free run of the place, hunts all he wants, he finally caught two guys last spring turkey hunting. I still have poachers by the evidence last year with a crossbow bolt sticking out the rear of a large dead buck, but I'm hopeful, good luck.

Rembrandt
September 5, 2008, 07:00 AM
Point of clarification: Farm is 90 miles from our primary residence, not practical to be there every moment to try and catch people. Farm house already has electronic security system that is tied into local law enforcement.

This system will probably deter 90% of the trespassing....it's the pond scum 10% that will continue to keep trying.

MCgunner
September 5, 2008, 10:03 AM
I got to my stand one morning way early and was sitting there in the dark and see these head lights coming down the road by my place. No one drives that, not really a road, more of a path through the brush. It was wet that year and there's a huge hole down where he was coming from. I drove through it with my 4x4 Toyota one year and almost didn't make it out. That truck stood pretty tall and it was up to the floorboards. So, I see these lights coming, knew he was spotlighting, figured I'd see what happened when he got up to where my truck was parked and realized he was probably being watched. I see the headlights drop off in that hole and go under water and the engine croaked. ROFLMAO! As the sun came up, he walked off to find help, was a Jeep Cherokee. I saw him put his gun in the back, so there was no doubt he wasn't on his way to work on the scenic route. :rolleyes: I thought about calling the game warden, but he was on the "road" about 600 yards off and not quite to my property line. I just sat there and watched as his dad, I guess, arrived to pull him out. The engine was under water, so they had to drag the thing off. Justice served. LOL

I was sitting in a tree stand one year when a kid with a .22 comes walking along and never saw me. He got under my tree and I says, "Hey, you know you're on private property?" Kid about had a heart attack. If they'd timed him, he might have made the 8th grade track team. ROFL. It was a few years later that the teen in the Jeep happened, could have been the same kid grown up a little, LOL. But, I do have trespassers out there. Had a hog trap and two deer stands stolen in the past. Great folks that live around that neck of the woods. :rolleyes:

salthouse
September 5, 2008, 11:50 AM
Interesting thread. I have some land in N. Maine, 70 acres, which is not a lot there. The general rule of thumb is that nobody posts their land. If you do, you are generally recognized as an out-of-stater (which I am). So I don't worry about people hunting on my land, and they don't have a problem with me hunting on theirs. I stay off of any posted land as the owner requests. People there will stop and say hello and certainly help you if you need a hand with something. But if you are an out-of-stater with your land posted, you're on your own.

It's a shame the so many have lost respect for others that people have to resort to cameras to catch them. I don't blame you for doing it, I would do the same if it were a problem, just sad.

Wildfire
September 5, 2008, 10:54 PM
Hey there;
Post a sign saying Cinide bombs in use for preditor control.

GooseGestapo
September 6, 2008, 10:01 AM
While I was working a number of years back, I was assisting a friend with a similar problem. (He used to be the US importer of the Meprolight night sights).

I suggested he make up some signs that said:

KEEP OUT !
Area QUARENTINED due
to Liquidambar Styraciflua Infestation!

It really worked.
By the way, thats the scientific name for "Sweet Gum" trees!.
But, it really looks and sounds bad and most poachers/tresspassers don't know Latin.

Reyn
September 6, 2008, 11:06 AM
While I was working a number of years back, I was assisting a friend with a similar problem. (He used to be the US importer of the Meprolight night sights).

I suggested he make up some signs that said:

KEEP OUT !
Area QUARENTINED due
to Liquidambar Styraciflua Infestation

LOL. Thats pretty good.

35 Whelen
September 6, 2008, 02:18 PM
Rembrandt, what state do you live in? It's a crying shame that personal property rights are taken so lightly. In Texas, it is a Class C Felony (Felony, as in LOSE ALL YOUR FIREARMS) to trespass with a firearm. In addition to that, and I learned this when I took my first Concealed Handgun Course, general trespassing on Texas is a big No-No. Our state laws give property owners huge rights when it comes to protecting their property or even the property of others as can be seen here:
SUBCHAPTER D. PROTECTION OF PROPERTY 9.41 (http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/PE/content/htm/pe.002.00.000009.00.htm)

So, had RIATAC45 lived in Texas when he shot the trespasser in the butt, he likely would never have even wound up in court. Here's another interesting piece about a fella in Pasadena, TX that took it upon himself to protect his neighbors property. The Joe Horn Shooting Controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy) He killed two illegals and was not charged.

35W

paintballdude902
September 7, 2008, 12:08 AM
i like my brother in laws approach

call the guys get the dogs walk up and say "you hear those dogs? you got 5 mins before i have you arrested for tresspassing"

his land borders a national forest and is clearly marks when his land starts but some marines were shooting on our land once with a FULL AUTO ak we came out i was unarmed but had a shotgun in the truck and my brother in law had his glock on his hip we told them first that "hey guys its private property you gotta leave or you will be arrested the guy pointed his ak at him and he said "that would be the dumbest thing you ever do and also the last, there are 4 guys with rifles alot bigger than yours and dogs a few minutes away, they hear a gun shot and you will not walk away you will be buried right here"

i was about to crap myself but somehow he managed to stay calm and keep a solid face

the last thing he said to those marines was "you ever wonder how big of a whole a .45-70 lever action makes in a human skull?"

there were 3 park rangers and 2 state troopers waiting for them at their car they got busted big time for having an illegal firearms in a national forrest

you dont want to tresspass when we got 75 horses and a number of kids to watch out for

Rembrandt
September 7, 2008, 11:25 AM
....what state do you live in? It's a crying shame that personal property rights are taken so lightly.

Iowa....where the state DNR endorses party (mob) hunting. A hunting technique that brings out the worst in unethical and law breaking behavior. They're more interested in reaping license revenues than enforcing the broken laws this type of hunting breeds.

Many of the replies posted here are nice rhetoric but not practical....shooting, poisoning, or physical harm would be a sure way to get sued and loose your property to the lawyers. I'd prefer to fight this problem without the risk of loosing my property.

Bud Tugly
September 7, 2008, 07:11 PM
A buddy of mine had a guy using his deer blind and refused to leave it since it was on public land. My buddy was really p*ssed and was talking about doing violence to the jerk's truck and/or body.

I was a chemistry teacher at the time (retired now) and I gave him a small dropper bottle filled with butyric acid. He put a few drops of it into the air intake vents (that little grillwork right in front of the windshield) and the guy got the message and never came back.

Butyric acid smells exactly like concentrated essence of vomit and evaporates very slowly so the smell lasts a LONG time. Every time the guy turned on the heater, air vent, or air conditioner for a month or more later the whole interior would smell like vomit.

Navy joe
September 7, 2008, 10:13 PM
It's terrible when antifreeze leaks into a crankcase, ruins a motor. I guess poachers aren't much on vehicle maintenance what with the leaks and loose drain plugs. One day I was sent on an emergency mission, I had to collect the anti-poacher spike strip out of our private road before it collected the UPS man that called and said he was coming. Oops! :evil:

Titan6
September 8, 2008, 12:33 PM
Navy, you should know that spike strips are illegal in Virginia.

(a few other states as well)

18.2-147.2. Devices for puncturing motor vehicle tires.

It shall be unlawful for any person to manufacture, distribute, have in his possession or place upon any highway or private property jackrocks which are primarily designed for the purpose of disabling motor vehicles by the puncturing of tires by anyone other than a law-enforcement officer. Any person convicted of unlawful manufacture, distribution, possession or use of such device shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. A law-enforcement officer who is lawfully engaged in the discharge of his duties shall not be subject to the provisions of this section.

MCgunner
September 8, 2008, 01:45 PM
Just do a sign that says, "Caution, area contaminated with high levels of dihydrogen oxide". Should keep most of the idiots out and you probably aren't telling lies. :D

35 Whelen
September 8, 2008, 06:50 PM
Something is seriously, seriously wrong when an individual cannot place "jackrocks" or nails, or nailstrips, etc. on their own property! What is this world coming to?
35W

MinnMooney
September 8, 2008, 11:04 PM
I tried one of the "phone service" trail cams but my signal strength is very marginal and the pictures rarely got sent so I brought it back (pre-arrainged).

It's a great idea but expensive with the phone service.

Navy joe
September 9, 2008, 10:46 PM
Titan,
Yes they are illegal, those things occurred a decade or two ago. I know how the conversation would go where I grew up.

Poacher: That ##%^& put out spike strips and flattened my tires!

Sheriff: What were you doing there?

P: Deer huntin'

S: Did you have permission to hunt there?

P: Didn't see no sign so I opened the gate and went on in.

S: *dials buddy, the game warden* Wait here for a minute with me son.

Poacher knows how that conversation is going to go too. They don't start it.


I was informed of a conversation similar to that around here. Someone nosy goes to check on the new neighbors who are possibly government affiliated, building an airstrip in a really unlikely area. Nosy neighbor is checking the place out from the road by the new places gate. WELL armed fella comes out and tells nosy to leave and not come back. Nosy runs to the Sheriff and tells his tale of woe. Sheriff says, "well, don't go back!"

Sometimes I love living where common sense is still alive.

BTW, said poachers were an annual occurrence because our land actually had deer and their great-great-grandpappy used to own it. They even had a 7mm mag blackpowder rifle or the world's fastest front-stuffer reload. The archery tackle that consisted of one arrow to stick in the hole, etc. They knew all the tricks.

saltydog452
September 10, 2008, 12:21 AM
I'm kinda curious about the power supply and transmission distance.

These type of devices have been available for a while now, but how do you get them to work when the cell phone towers aren't within range?

Thanks,

salty

1 old 0311
September 10, 2008, 09:29 AM
If you find their truck be VERY careful not to spill a bottle of Hydrogen Peroxide into their gas tank. It WILL take out the fuel pump, regulator, and ALL of the injectors.:neener:

Double Naught Spy
September 10, 2008, 10:54 AM
These type of devices have been available for a while now, but how do you get them to work when the cell phone towers aren't within range?

Simple. They don't.

BAT1
September 10, 2008, 11:19 AM
That's pretty cool. Why don't we have those devices covering our borders? That sign would be good too.

mgregg85
September 12, 2008, 08:01 PM
I wouldn't be too afraid of using spike strips as long as you heavily post your property. If the poachers go by all that and pop their tires I am willing to bet they won't say a damn thing. If you really want some fun, put your camera where it can see the spike strips, that way you can catch them in the act of trespassing too.

alsaqr
September 12, 2008, 09:14 PM
Tresspassing on one of our places is way down since trespassers on a neighbors place had their new Dodge diesel pickup burn up in a grass fire. Neighbor says he did not start the grass fire.

koja48
September 12, 2008, 11:16 PM
Years ago back home, trespassing slowed WAY DOWN once word got around that several groups of "hunters" came back to flat tires on their vehicles, had to walk out & hitch a ride, then were charged for the tow fees when they tried to recover their rigs in the local impound yard. One of the rigs was a bit scraped-up, also, 'course when you're driving beef down a narrow, brushy road, beef ain't terribly particular about what they rub against . . .

caribou
September 13, 2008, 12:20 AM
Thats rough.....

Luckily my hunting unit(Ak 23) is bigger than Indiana in square miles, and I can access all but soime private lands, non bigger than 160 acers....
Theres the Ice as well, and all rivers are public.

Tresspassing and being locked up in private holdings has gotta be a big blow to those who cannot afford to hunt them...Leases?

sm
September 13, 2008, 02:27 AM
Depending on the types of individuals trespassing, I would consider a sign :

Cartel .
Get a menacing logo , such as Columbia necktie

Even druggies stoned , do not want to mess with the Cartel.

moooose102
September 14, 2008, 12:14 PM
GOOD 4 U! i hope it works, very well! i hate few things in life, but people who do not respect other peoples property makes my blood boil. everybody (well, almost everybody) has to work hard for what they get. for some lazy sob to just run all over your turf is not right. i do not own but a lot and a house, i hunt on public land, unless i am invited to hunt on someones property.

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