Which Ruger in 45Colt?


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HM2PAC
September 6, 2008, 06:07 AM
In my last thread/poll, I tossed asked you to help me make up my mind between a 44RM and a 45Colt for a hunting revolver that can also derve as a backup. At this point in time, the 45Colt is my choice. I like the idea of being able to handload my own "beatdown" cartridges.

So, which revolver to do it in. I like the Rugers I have, (SP101's, 10/22), so I am thinking either the New Redhawk in a 5.5" Bbl, or the New Blackhawk convertible 5.5" that will allow a swap-out cylinder for 45ACP.

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highlander 5
September 6, 2008, 06:29 AM
That Redhawk is a 4" barrel. I believe that the 5 1/2" and 7 1/5" barreled Redhawks have been discontinued.

memphisjim
September 6, 2008, 06:30 AM
double action

HM2PAC
September 6, 2008, 06:43 AM
That Redhawk is a 4" barrel. I believe that the 5 1/2" and 7 1/5" barreled Redhawks have been discontinued.

I couldn't find a picture of the 5.5" Bbl. Supposedly that is a new offering from Ruger, according to their website. I don't believe they have discontinued anything from that line yet.

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5027&return=Y

fortney
September 6, 2008, 09:52 PM
Before making your purchase consider looking at a Ruger Bisley Blackhawk revolver.

I have the old model Bisley Vaquero and really like the grip.

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huntershooter
September 6, 2008, 10:42 PM
None of the above.

My preference is the Ruger "Bisley" mod. on .45 Colt. I find it much easier to shoot with +P loads.

1858
September 7, 2008, 12:02 AM
HM2PAC, I just bought a Ruger Redhawk KRH-45-4 which is the first photo you posted. As already mentioned, it only comes with a 4" barrel but it sure is a great looking revolver. It can easily handle 350 grain bullets moving at 1200 fps generating about 30,000 CUP so it's a perfect hunting sidearm if you don't mind the weight.

:)

Ben Shepherd
September 7, 2008, 12:46 AM
Your biggest decision is between single and double action. Backup, you say? Back-up to what? A rifle you have chambered in 45 colt? Or for home defense as an avalible gun?

Hunter0924
September 7, 2008, 01:36 AM
I like the Redhawk a lot but to me the Blackhawk has the coolness factor.
Either way you could not go wrong but I really like the single action.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/Hunter1911/Picture038-1.jpg

nicholst55
September 7, 2008, 03:52 AM
I have both. For ultra-heavy loads, I prefer the Redhawk. While the Blackhawk is built like a tractor, the Redhawk is built like a tank.

HM2PAC
September 7, 2008, 06:43 AM
Ben asked: Backup, you say? Back-up to what?

I bow hunt. I would also plan on having it around as a primary weapon when out in the woods, fishing, hiking......

I'm not adverse to the Bisley. Basically, any revolver that is going to stand up to the 45Colt +p loadings is what I am willing to consider.

MountainBear
September 7, 2008, 09:23 AM
.45 long colt just belongs in a single action...

--Robert

Snapping Twig
September 7, 2008, 09:44 AM
Another vote for a Bisley.

JustsayMo
September 7, 2008, 10:09 AM
For belt carry I prefer my Blackhawk.

Pretty hard to go wrong with which ever you pick. Get a good holster, if you hike/hunt with a pack you might consider one that will work while wearing it.

Ben Shepherd
September 7, 2008, 11:10 AM
HM2PAC, for your intended use I'll jump on the wagon with reccomending a bisley grip single action.

It's perfect: Both classy and correct.

HM2PAC
September 7, 2008, 11:26 AM
Will the new Bisley handle the +p loads that I seek to put through it?

un_lucky
September 7, 2008, 04:59 PM
The double action trigger on the redhawk is usually very heavy and rough IMO. I think you'll end up using either one single action.

weisse52
September 7, 2008, 05:31 PM
Ruger SA....No matter which one.

The .45 Colt / .45 ACP is a great option. Just saw one at a local store and really considered taking it home.

HM2PAC
September 7, 2008, 05:37 PM
Weisse52 wrote:
The .45 Colt / .45 ACP is a great option. Just saw one at a local store and really considered taking it home.

Yeah, that one really got my attention. I can reload 45ACP really cheap.

If that revolver will tolerate the +P loads then I may lean that way.

huntershooter
September 7, 2008, 06:33 PM
HM2: Yes the Bisley will handle +P .45 Colt.
Suggest you Google and read John Linebaughs article(s) on same.

freefall
September 7, 2008, 08:22 PM
Bisley handles very nicely. Do they make it in stainless now? Smaller .45 Blackhawk (not super) grip frame is just SO nice to carry.

HM2PAC
September 8, 2008, 05:41 AM
On the BlackHawk, I am vacillating btwn the 4 5/8" and the 5 1/2".

Any significant difference in velocity when talking about +/- 7/8" ?

foghornl
September 8, 2008, 12:57 PM
If you are going to use this as a hunting revolver, the barrel length might make a huge difference to the Game-N-Fish Guys.

Ohio REQUIRES a minimum 5" barrrel length for modern handgun deer hunting.

zxcvbob
September 8, 2008, 01:12 PM
Will the new Bisley handle the +p loads that I seek to put through it?

Bisley is the preferred model for shooting zombie-stomper loads. (IMHO, the New Vaquero is the preferred model if you're willing to limit it to normal pressure or up to about 18000 or 20000 psi)

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I've been shooting 16.5 grains of Blue Dot in mine lately with 255 grain cast bullets. That's a max charge in a .44 Magnum using a lighter bullet, but it still has at least .5 grains of headroom left in the .45.

Water-Man
September 8, 2008, 01:27 PM
For hunting, I'd go with the Bisley 7 1/2" barrel.

RPCVYemen
September 8, 2008, 02:41 PM
I bought the 45 LC/45 ACP Blackhawk Convertible - the ACP part was a waste of money. I shot one cylinder full, cleaned the cylinder and put it back in the bag. I never expect to use it again.

Lots of people seem to like it, but for the life of me, I can't figure it out. Why anyone would choose to shoot that weak stumpy little ACP cartridge from a fine weapon like a Blackhawk.? :) Makes about as much sense as shooting a wimpy little 10mm in a 41 magnum.

Mike

Smaug
September 8, 2008, 04:35 PM
I'm frankly a little shocked so many folks are recommending the single action gun for something that could possibly be used as self defense!

For something that could possibly be used for self defense, it should be something that you can simply draw and pull the trigger. That extra second it takes to cock the hammer could cost you your (or someone else's) life.

Go with the stainless Redhawk in 5.5". It will do everything the Blackhawk will do except make you look like a cowboy and take 5X longer to reload.

Bula
September 8, 2008, 05:06 PM
"except make you look like a cowboy"
but, cowboys are cool.

"and take 5X longer to reload"

This is often the argument you hear right before "my glock holds 39 rounds"

To me either would be fine but there is just something about those Ruger SA revos.
Not to mention, the price differential would buy alot of powder and primers!

Snapping Twig
September 9, 2008, 01:58 AM
If you need more than 6 .45LC, you're in the wrong business.

Gotta love a gun that was designed as a non magnum to kill a guy hiding behind his horse at 100 yards. It was, and it will.

1858
September 9, 2008, 05:02 AM
For something that could possibly be used for self defense, it should be something that you can simply draw and pull the trigger. That extra second it takes to cock the hammer could cost you your (or someone else's) life.

I just saw Evil Roy on "Cowboys" last week ... took him 1.04 seconds to draw, cock the hammer and hit the steel target using a SAA .. now that's FAST!! A few weeks ago on "Cowboys", I saw Lead Dispencer and Tequilla in a "shootout". LD had a .45 1911 (if I remember correctly) and Tequilla used a SAA followed by a DA revolver. With the SAA, they were neck and neck after drawing and firing six rounds. Tequilla was A LOT slower with the DA revolver. It just goes to show what's possible. There are some folks around who are incredibly fast with the SAA or similar.

:)

HM2PAC
September 9, 2008, 05:18 AM
foghornl wrote:
If you are going to use this as a hunting revolver, the barrel length might make a huge difference to the Game-N-Fish Guys.

Ohio REQUIRES a minimum 5" barrrel length for modern handgun deer hunting.

I'll have to look into that. The 5" barrel rule sounds familiar out here too.

So far I'm leaning toward the Blackhawk 5.5". Still can't decide on the extra cylinder part. I'm beginning to think I wouldn't use it. If I reach for the big revolver when going to the range, why shoot the little rounds through it, eh?

RPCVYemen
September 9, 2008, 09:59 AM
I'm frankly a little shocked so many folks are recommending the single action gun for something that could possibly be used as self defense!


If you are truly shocked - if that's not hyperbole - then you may want to do a little research.

LD had a .45 1911 (if I remember correctly) and Tequilla used a SAA followed by a DA revolver. With the SAA, they were neck and neck after drawing and firing six rounds.

There seems to be a census about this - people who use understand/use SAA evidently don't give up anything in speed. I think it's hard to make generalizations (or at least valid generalizations). Right now, I shoot my Blackhawk more than any other weapon. If I had to chose between that and a weapon with a safety, I'd much rather have the Blackhawk in my hand.

I think that the reload issue is a complete non-issue for 99.9999% of on on THR. For those of you who do in fact work as gang informants or fight zombie armies, you need full auto anyway. :)

Seriously, if I am taking on multiple assailants who don't break and run on the 1st or second shot - I'm dead. If there are people who are so interested in killing me that they are willing to take casualties and keep fighting, then they are going to succeed. Welcome to life.

I have no doubt that there are people who are likely to need a reload to survive - I am also 100% sure I am not one of them.

Mike

HM2PAC
September 9, 2008, 04:28 PM
If you are going to use this as a hunting revolver, the barrel length might make a huge difference to the Game-N-Fish Guys.

I looked it up today. In Maine, it doesn't matter.

MCgunner
September 9, 2008, 04:36 PM
I just prefer the single actions in a .45 Colt. I've got a Blackhawk in the caliber, no ACP cylinder. Don't need it since I can handload .45 Colt brass about as cheap. My Lee cast 255 flat points are unreal accurate, too. I doubt I could get that sort of accuracy from an ACP cylinder in the gun, but maybe.

Single actions are fantastic for field guns, self defense or otherwise. Me, I can get one into action quicker than I can a DA. You won't be shooting DA if you wanna hit anything at range and the SA cocks much easier out of the leather, just natural. My Blackhawk is a 4 5/8" model and I can hold it on a paper plate at 100 yards with +P 300 grain Hornady XTPs loaded hot with 2400. It suffers no ill effects that I can tell from the shorter sight radius, though a 6.5" barrel would give it probably 50 more FPS.

Smaug, you're from Chicago. You apparently have that Chicago typewriter attitude about fire power. LOL Trust me, you won't get more'n a couple of chances to defend yourself from a toothy animal. I've had a wounded 200+ lb hog charge me, got one shot to the head (thankfully). Hogs are a lot faster than Al Capone, even if they don't weigh much more. Even gators are faster than you'd think, faster than you can run at least for a short distance. Bears, well, we got no bears down here, but I hear tell they're pretty quick. Firepower is far less important than one good powerful shot. I own DA revolvers and like 'em, but I feel just as safe, maybe a little safer considering caliber, carrying my SA .45 to one of my DA .357s. I don't carry it for CCW of course. Let's don't get ridiculous. It's a big, heavy gun and you MIGHT be in a scenario against humans where you'll need quick reloads.

Floppy_D
September 9, 2008, 04:38 PM
+1 Bisley.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb11/floppy_d/100_4362.jpg

Jim March
September 9, 2008, 05:32 PM
All 45LC Ruger single actions built after 1973 are built on the same large "44Magnum-class" basic frame, and all are equally strong.

The one exception is the New Vaquero, built on a "357 class" mid-frame and not compatible with the big 45LC+P boomers.

Once the frame and cylinder is there, think of these guns as having various "options":

* "Vaquero" means fixed-sights and more "cowboy looking" overall.

* "Bisley" means it has a longer, different-shaped grip frame with a reputation for good recoil control unless your hands are on the small side. This grip frame always ships from Ruger with a lower-slung hammer and a more curved trigger. Bisley grip frames were never made of aluminum.

* "Hunter" means a heavier, ribbed barrel.

* "Blackhawk" on it's own means the basic model; if it's a plain "Blackhawk" in blue, the grip frame is likely anodized aluminum.

* "Super Blackhawk" means it's most likely a 44Mag (there are exceptions!), the grip frame is always steel, the hammer is lower than standard (still higher than a Bisley hammer) and IF the barrel length is greater than 5.5", the grip frame will be a larger size "plowhandle" type.

From there, various factory models mix and match these features. A "Bisley Vaquero" means just what you'd think: Bisley grip/hammer/trigger set on a fixed-sight frame. "Bisley Hunters" exist too. "Bisley" on it's own will be an adjustable-sight gun, basically a "Bisley Blackhawk". The core frame is the same regardless, everything else bolts to that.

You can buy various parts to build combinations the factory never even considered. Want a "Bisley New Vaquero"? Brownell's has the complete Bisley parts kit for under $200. Also very possible: SuperBlackHawk hammers on guns that had something else to start (such as the SBH hammer on my NewVaq), Birds-Head grip frames stuck on other things, etc. Basically the sky is the limit and much of it can be home-brewed. "FrankenRugers" are cool as hell :).

As long as the cylinder is in good shape in an unmodified frame with the barrel properly fitted, none of this affects strength.

If there's a combination you'd like that's not in the catalog, the cheap way to get there is likely a basic Blackhawk 45 in good used condition, customized as needed.

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