Century International Arms


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marineman
September 6, 2008, 11:56 PM
Does anyone have experience with Century International Arms? I might be getting a 7.62 underfolder for under $500. How do they compare to Arsenal and other AK makers? Thanks.

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paintballdude902
September 7, 2008, 12:10 AM
ummmm cia i have heard has pretty crummy customer service

lots of aks have a problem with canted sights

way less that arsenal but the cia gunsmiths are more like meatball surgeons they assemble parts kits not manufacture rifles

nalioth
September 7, 2008, 12:19 AM
The Yugo AKs are being put together by outside vendors.

Very few complaints per output have been heard on these.

armoredman
September 7, 2008, 12:43 AM
CAI were the ones who coined the phrase "drunken monkeys", for the builders they use in house. WASRs, FALs and CETMEs were notorious for being slapped together in a horrible fashion. If you can be sure it was assembled outside of thier outfit, could be good.

R.W.Dale
September 7, 2008, 12:45 AM
CAI were the ones who coined the phrase "drunken monkeys",

DANG! You beat me to it.

Only 4 replies in a Century thread before "drunken Monkeys" was mentioned

wally
September 7, 2008, 01:11 AM
I'd never buy a Century gun sight unseen, but if you have the chance th look it over carefully and know what to look for and avoid, you can find good ones eventually that are well worth the price.

--wally.

bgeddes
September 7, 2008, 01:24 AM
My Yugo CIA Underfolder has been great! Zero complaints.

nalioth
September 7, 2008, 01:31 AM
Century has absolutely nothing to do with the manufacture of WASRs.

Nothing.

They just hog out the mag well and add 922r parts.

The bent sights and funky finish are courtesy of Romanian workers.

NetJunkie
September 7, 2008, 01:32 AM
Century has absolutely nothing to do with the manufacture of WASRs.

Nothing.

They just hog out the mag well and add 922r parts.

The bent sights and funky finish are courtesy of Romanian workers.

Yes, but it's up to CIA to accept or reject them. They are the ones that send them on to the distributors.

MIL-DOT
September 7, 2008, 01:34 AM
I like my CAI Yugo, as does almost everyone else that has one from what I've read, but as stated above, the infamous drunken chimps at Century didn't do these. It's true you can find an acceptable Century wasr AK, but now that they've gone up in price, ( $499 locally I saw today) you can do better for a little more money.
Take a look at these guys, they come highly recommended.
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Picard
September 7, 2008, 10:52 AM
I'd get the underfolder. Most likely it's a Yugo. It'll be a nice, reliable rifle.

buck00
September 7, 2008, 11:01 AM
They move lower quality "fun guns." If you just want a plinker, you should be fine with them. My SAR-1 was from them, and it isn't bad at all. But I did get a PSL that was put together crappy and had to go back, the second one was ok.


Overall, its like going to Burger King for dinner rather than a fancy restaurant. Nothing wrong with eating there, but don't expect to be served fillet mignon. ;)

mainmech48
September 7, 2008, 11:23 AM
The only dealings that I've had with Century have been unaltered military surplus pieces. With those I feel that I've usually gotten a good value for my money. I say "usually" because their condition description criteria has proven to be quite at odds with the generally accepted and understood NRA standards on more than one occasion. To be fair, they aren't the only importer who tends to do this to one degree or another, so I'm alway a bit skeptical unless the inspection and return policy is reasonable.

W.E.G.
September 7, 2008, 12:19 PM
+1 on never buying a Century gun "sight unseen."

jr45
September 7, 2008, 01:40 PM
Overall, my experience with Century has been positive. I have ordered several long guns and pistols from them and they all have been in good condition. Sometimes, when they have a special sale, you can get a really good deal...I bought a Ruger GP100 stainless DOA police trade-in (good condition) from them last year for $209.00 delivered. As for theYugo AK, SOG has some good deals.

Roadwild17
September 7, 2008, 01:56 PM
From what I understand about Century.

The first WASRs were pretty much crap.
The newer ones are better, but still need to be inspected.
If the underfolder is an M70AB2 its not touched by Century.
I love my M70, its great

wally
September 7, 2008, 01:56 PM
If Century is only a broker for a used gun that's one thing, but when they are the importer/manufacturer its what we've been talking/complaining about.

--wally.

Z71
September 7, 2008, 02:11 PM
I have 3 Century "cobbeled up" semi-auto battle rifles!

And really all have or seem to be perfectly servicable, decently made blasters.

I've had a Century L1A1 for a long time, no issues whatsoever with it.

I bought a WASR-10 hicap late last year. Only real issue's here were the off-center and crooked rear sight notch. The sights and fittings all being fairly squarely mounted. So new they didn't even varnish the stock, and crude, but reliable, accurate and fun too.

Then last week I bought myself a Century C-15 Sporter. An interesting rifle, essentially a military surplus Colt M16 A2 thats been refurbed into a AR-15 Hbar sporter rifle. Most or all of the upper is Colt. New lower receiver with what appears to be a mix of used and new trigger/lower parts. Some parts are refinished, some are old finish, some look new. From what I've shot the thing in the week I've had it, works like a champion! Eats .223/5.56 mm ammo like it's going out of style, and seems quite accurate.

I've heard the horror storys about Century's quality. I believe them too! These people have turned out some seriously shoddy stuff. Yes, probably best not to buy a Century semi-auto sight unseen.

All that said, I've had nothing but excellent success with my three Century battle rifles. No jams, broken parts, manufacture issues(excepting the WASR-10's bogus rear sight notch!), perfect accuracy fit and function!

Freightman
September 7, 2008, 05:44 PM
Years ago the shop I worked at ordered a Century M1 Garand for a man, well a year later he brought it back wouldn't cycle. The owner called Century on the outside chance that they would help with the repair, the short version is send it back and three weeks later a replacement came. This one we fired before the customer got it worked fine. Now I do not know about anyone else but they had no obligation to fix the rifle after a year as the paper work clearly stated 90 days. As far as I can tell you my experience is positive

kcmarine
September 7, 2008, 05:46 PM
They're a mixed bag. Some people on here love them, some people hate them. Regardless of what you think, you should only buy one you've had a chance to handle yourself. Then again, this goes for most guns. If you find a good one, buy it.

Nicky Santoro
September 7, 2008, 06:30 PM
Century International Arms
Biggest bunch of ****** bags invented by God so everyone could have a reference point for unethical ****** bags.

AmishFury
September 7, 2008, 07:54 PM
with century it's a real mixed bag

i've had nothing but good experience with them... but all i've bought directly from century has been mosins and mausers

as far as their AKs and other such century assembled parts kit rifles it's definitely best to personally inspect the rifle

Z-Michigan
September 7, 2008, 08:08 PM
Biggest bunch of ****** bags invented by God so everyone could have a reference point for unethical ****** bags.

Do you have a personal experience to share, or just wanted to use some foul language?

kcmarine
September 7, 2008, 08:37 PM
I don't think I understood your post. Tell us how you REALLY feel :p

rfurtkamp
September 7, 2008, 09:36 PM
I was the go-to guy at a local shop for fixing Century's screwups on guns for a few years.

I never met a FAL I couldn't get going properly, usually it was just bad fsb/gas regulators/etc or minor adjustments. AKs, usually were either something that took 5m or the gun was hopeless. G3/Cetmes: not worth the hassle - was usually an ugly combination of things from bolt gap to trigger pack height.

Factory built guns (the SARs etc) were generally as good as any other low-end producer, and frankly I've been very happy with their older FALs.

Thanks to the Internet's rabid hatred of them, I've made a bit of money and gotten my friends set up in good shooters for next to nothing.

wcwhitey
September 7, 2008, 09:41 PM
Friends don't let friends buy from Century. Prices are pretty competitive, buy from someone with a good product and customer service reputation even if it cost another 20 or 30 dollars. Plenty of trustworthy vendors out there that could use the business. JMHO Bill

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