advice on cop .357 for ccw


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one-shot-one
January 14, 2003, 02:07 PM
anyone have op. on the 4 shot cop .357 .
thinking of tring to find one for ccw when i do not want to deal with my g26.

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M1911
January 14, 2003, 02:16 PM
What is a 4 shot cop .357?

If you are asking small-frame, snub nose revolvers in .357, I'd stick with Ruger SP101 or steel S&W (e.g., S&W model 60). I'm not a fan of the lightweight S&W in .357 -- the .38 Spcl 642 has more than enough recoil for me.

The 3" models are easier to hit with, having better sights and longer site radius, but too long to easily fit in a pocket. The 2" models will fit in a pocket, but the SP101 and steel S&W are pretty darn heavy for pocket carry. The lightweight guns are easier for pocket carry but no fun to shoot.

Any of the small 2" revolvers are difficult to shoot accurately. You'll have to practice with them.

And all the revolvers I've mentioned have 5 shots cylinders.

Edward429451
January 14, 2003, 02:33 PM
Cop 357? Thats the 4 barreled derringer. My friend used to have one. Sometimes it's set off one or more extra barrels from the one going off. Don't drop it, it may set off all four.

Dangerous pistol. Save your money no matter how cool it is.

dfariswheel
January 14, 2003, 03:13 PM
The COP was one of those seemingly good ideas, that just didn't "pan out".
Quality was spotty at best, the trigger action was lousy, and the design was clumsy.

Some people got workable guns, but I've rarely heard of anyone who was really pleased with one.

A good indication of utility is how quickly the company folded.

one-shot-one
January 14, 2003, 04:28 PM
:eek: thanks guy's looks like i back to lookin for my next toy!:)

WonderNine
January 14, 2003, 11:40 PM
http://bis.midco.net/cotlod/1.jpg

Cop 357? Thats the 4 barreled derringer. My friend used to have one. Sometimes it's set off one or more extra barrels from the one going off. Don't drop it, it may set off all four. - Edward429451

I have one. Your fictional friend never had one, that much is obvious. You're repeating an internet myth!

I use mine for daily CCW in an Uncle Mike's front pocket holster. It is absolutely impossible for more than one barrel to go off per trigger pull unless it has been modified to do so. It is also next to impossible for the gun to go off simply from being dropped. The internal hammer is not cocked until the trigger is pulled. It's not even in line with the firing pin! Look at the schematics!

There are a couple of them that were modified to fire two barrels at once for the movies (Blade Runner). Top two then the bottom two. The normal unmodified ones all fire one barrel at a time AND ONLY one barrel at a time as it is impossible for them to do otherwise without internal modification.

IMO these guys are just repeating internet myths and lies they've heard on obscure websites and messageboards and have no real experience with them.

Quality was spotty at best - dfariswheel

You must be joking, it is an extremely well built quality gun. They sold for a considerable amount of money when they were made 1978-1983. All of the parts look as though they were hand fitted. They have a reputation for being quality built.

A good indication of utility is how quickly the company folded. - dfariswheel

Alot of quality companies fold, get bought out, or become obscure because their products cost more to make than they are selling them for. It's indicative of a poor business plan more than anything else. Take Colt's guns of years past. Or take Marantz stereo recievers from the mid to late seventies for example.

the trigger action was lousy, and the design was clumsy.

I disagree that the design is clumsy. I like the way it handles very much for such a small concealable gun. The trigger is heavy, this is true, but that also makes it more reliable. Mine ALWAYS goes *bang*. No, it isn't exactly 5" custom 1911 accurate, but what do you expect? I would classify it as combat accurate. In other words you can hit somebody at 25 yards. I can and do hit targets at that range with it, but it takes a little concentration.

http://bis.midco.net/cotlod/6.jpg

Jeff OTMG
January 14, 2003, 11:42 PM
I had one. The biggest POS I ever owned. I sold it and I rarely sell a gun. It is heaver than a Kahr MK9, wider than a Glock 27, fewer rounds than a S&W J-frame, and not as fast to reload as any of them nor as accurate. It may take to fingers to pull the trigger. I would tell you the pull weight if I knew, but my trigger pull gauge only goes to 25 pounds.

WonderNine
January 14, 2003, 11:50 PM
It is heaver than a Kahr MK9, wider than a Glock 27, fewer rounds than a S&W J-frame, and not as fast to reload as any of them nor as accurate. It may take to fingers to pull the trigger.

Yes it is heavier than an MK9. But it also will not jam as easily if you know what I mean. It is exactly 1" wide.

"Two fingers to pull the trigger" is a gross mistatement IMO. The trigger is a little heavier than most double action only guns, but you would have to have pretty weak fingers to not be able to pull the trigger with one finger.

Carlos
January 14, 2003, 11:50 PM
I must say that is one interesting looking gun. Show me the schematics, please.

I agree wholeheartedly on the Marantz thing. :)

WonderNine
January 15, 2003, 12:05 AM
I seen them on a website one time. They are also in my instruction manual. If you don't find a website that has some, I'll try to scan it and post it here.

Edward429451
January 15, 2003, 02:02 AM
I use mine for daily CCW in an Uncle Mike's front pocket holster. It is absolutely impossible for more than one barrel to go off per trigger pull unless it has been modified to do so. It is also next to impossible for the gun to go off simply from being dropped. The internal hammer is not cocked until the trigger is pulled. It's not even in line with the firing pin! Look at the schematics!

Bud, I dont care what your schematic says, I saw this pistol shoot two barrels at once! True enough I never saw it do four barrels at once, we never dropped it. I never heard anything bout it bein modified either. But it dang sure did two. If yours dont do that to you then you must have one of the good ones. Good for you.

The gun is a POS.

WonderNine
January 15, 2003, 02:24 AM
You still don't understand. AS THE GUN WAS DESIGNED IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE GUN TO FIRE MORE THAN ONE BARREL AT A TIME. THERE IS ONLY ONE HAMMER. It is on a rotating actuator AND IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO HIT MORE THAN ONE FIRING PIN. And if it was that far off center it wouldn't hit ANY firing pin.

If the one you say your friend had was modified to fire two barrels with every trigger pull then yes that could be. But there was only one modified in this way that I know of and it was used in a movie.

But they are not hit or miss. It's one or the other. They don't just "sometimes" fire more than one barrel. It's impossible! It's a myth! And I'm sick of hearing it because it's totally wrong!

Edward429451
January 15, 2003, 02:44 AM
No, YOU DONT UNDERSTAND. I was there and seen it. I dont know how it did it and I do not think it was modified. Maybe it was the recoil, maybe it was the gun. why would I lie about a gun if it wasn't so or if I've never even seen one? Thats absurd. Next thing you know you'll be telling me that Streetsweepers are good too. The gun did it, its a POS.

Jeff OTMG
January 15, 2003, 03:01 AM
You got it to shoot two at once? I couldn't even get mine to go bang with every trigger pull!!! click, bang, click, click, bang, click, bang, click, click, click, click, bang I think that sequence is right. 2, 1, 3, 4.

One thing that I left out was the 'interesting' grouping. The group is a square. Each barrel shooting to a corner in the square. The further from the target you get the larger the group, to the point that a person would be relatively safe from 15 yards on out.

Mine must have been bad, as I said, the trigger pull wouldn't register on a 25lb pull gauge.

WonderNine
January 15, 2003, 03:17 AM
Edward: what you're saying is impossible. But I'm tired of repeating myself so I'm just going to let it go at that.

Jeff: I've fired about 400 rounds of various .357's, Federal, Remington, Winchester, ect. and it works everytime. BANG BANG BANG BANG. Not so much as a hiccup so far. It hits the primer hard dead center. I definately trust it to function more than I trust a pocket 9 or an MK9. It hits the primer harder than my father's S&W Model 19. I am looking into a PM9 though, this is a very interesting pocket gun. The MK9 doesn't really interest me as it is not really any lighter fully loaded than the Cop and of course, it is less reliable being an auto.

Also, I don't believe that comparing a Cop to a J-frame is fair. I can get away with carrying this gun in my front pocket at work all day. I can't do that with a J-frame.

Kahr carrier
January 15, 2003, 04:29 AM
That Cop derringer looks cool ,the bad guy in BAD BOYS the movie had one.:)

dave
January 15, 2003, 07:10 AM
I owned one of those, years ago.

I'm glad some others like the one they own. "Different strokes" you know. The one I owned was the biggest POS gun I've ever had. Now, I know this is going to cause at least one outburst, but it's the truth. I didn't just "see" it, it happened to me. Shooting in the woods one day, had a couple of friends with me, after several ok shots I pulled the trigger (one pull) and the top TWO barrels fired. The gun had not been "worked on", I was the first and only owner. I don't care what anyone else thinks can't have, wouldn't have, shouldn't have, happened. I was the one it happened to. Perhaps the "gun fairy" worked it over between the factory and the dealer, I don't know. I don't really care if anyone believes me or not.

The gun? Well, it's the only gun I ever owned that I didn't sale because I didn't like it. On the way home and after breaking it down as well as I could, I threw it off a high bridge that crossed a river. A very deep river. Problem solved.

To those that own one, I'm glad you like it. Shoot it and have fun, just be carefull.

Al Thompson
January 15, 2003, 08:52 AM
As we have opinions from both sides of the aisle, thread closed.

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