All around best made 1911 9mm?


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ge0624me
September 8, 2008, 08:03 PM
Which of the current mass production type manufactures out there makes an extremely well if not the best full size ,9mm 1911 out there, such as colt, Kimber, para, s/a, just to name a few as im aiming more for your experience with the pistol, reliability,any issues,out of the box, Im in the market for one and frankly not to much info out there & who better to ask....THX in advance....

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BamBam-31
September 8, 2008, 08:58 PM
Rock River makes a pretty kick ass 9mm 1911. My wife's BIL bought one w/ a 6" slide for $2500, and it's TIGHT!

ge0624me
September 8, 2008, 09:06 PM
i bet that is a kick ass 1911 9mm, but for $2500.00 it better do more than that....i'm sorry i should of given you a price range , i'm looking for something in around the $1,000.00 range +or-, thx for that info that rra sounds bad ass ...

BlindJustice
September 8, 2008, 09:39 PM
Full size or Commander - Get a Colt New build/issue '70 Series
forged frame and no MIM internals, out of the Colt Pro shop
should be within your budget.

Sub-Compact
Springfield Armory EMP 3" bbl. Forged SLide & alloy frame
28 oz, and it has the same mag cap. as a full size/Commander
with 9 rds. It's scaled to the 9MMx19 Cartridge.

Randall

rellascout
September 8, 2008, 10:19 PM
Browning Hi Power. :neener:

ge0624me
September 8, 2008, 10:29 PM
good answer on the hi power rella scout i agree and have one, only problem that was not the question ,it was 1911 not 1911 style, thx...

bluetopper
September 8, 2008, 11:32 PM
Dan Wesson 9mm 1911. Even with FFL fee and shipping, just under a grand.
Solid and bank vault tight.

BamBam-31
September 9, 2008, 01:10 AM
Only other 9mm 1911 I have experience with is a friend's Kimber 9mm. Accurate gun, nice trigger, but IIRC it did have a few hiccups, even with the Cobra mags. I'd say it's a keeper nevertheless.

MarshallDodge
September 9, 2008, 01:12 AM
+1 for the Dan Wesson.

I am not sure if Springfield still makes a 9mm but mine shoots OK.

Aguila Blanca
September 9, 2008, 02:27 AM
i bet that is a kick ass 1911 9mm, but for $2500.00 it better do more than that....i'm sorry i should of given you a price range , i'm looking for something in around the $1,000.00 range +or-
In that range ==> Colt.

gc70
September 9, 2008, 03:28 AM
You can buy plenty of Colts in 9mm, but they are not in current production.

Biggums
September 9, 2008, 08:25 AM
SA EMP 9mm

Aguila Blanca
September 9, 2008, 10:57 AM
Sorry, I missed the 9mm part.

Hmmm ... mass production, and 9mm. Rock River is not what I consider a mass producer/manufacturer. And they certainly aren't in the $1,000 price range.

Kimber won't get my vote for "best" in any category other than quality of full page photo ads.

It pains me to say this, but with all the OP's criteria considered, IMHO the only one that fits all the parameters is Springfield Armory.

ge0624me
September 9, 2008, 12:49 PM
damn, guys thank you fr stepping up with those with those testimonials, i really like the sound and looks of that dan wesson, with the sa in close second...

atblis
September 9, 2008, 12:53 PM
STI
http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Trojan5/images/Trojantest_800w.jpg

rklessdriver
September 9, 2008, 12:58 PM
Weird. I have been thinking about getting a 9mm 1911 also. I'm a fan of the 1911 and I think a 9mm one would fit the bill for me perfectly.

Debating abut selling my current 1911 (I really like MOST things about my Kimber Tac Pro II except it's .45 and it's an older model with the external extractor) and adding up fiances and such for about a week to see if I can swing a new one without selling anything right now.

Even thou the .45 Tac Pro II, I currently have is unreliable I'd rather not sell any of my weapons (even the bad ones) so I'm most likey going to just save until I can buy a 9mm one outright.


This is what I'm considering, all in the $700-$1200 range.

Kimber Pro Carry II in 9mm.

Par LTC in 9mm.

Dan Wesson PM9.

Kimber Tac Pro II in 9mm.

I know they are all 4" guns....

Par makes a few high cap (18 rounds) 5" guns and Springfield has a 5" single stack. Every 9mm Colt I've seen was a 4.5 Commander.
Will

ge0624me
September 9, 2008, 12:59 PM
man that sti is sweet, think i just had an accident...

Black Majik
September 9, 2008, 01:02 PM
Colt no longer makes a 9mm 1911 in their current production

Kimber cuts their breechface for a .40, it requires a lot of tension on the extractor

Springfields are nice, but they were built a little looser than I prefer. Comparing both the Kimber was fit tighter and had a better trigger.

Para, well... pass.

The STI looks promising. I'd honestly would recommend saving up more and getting a semi-custom 1911 in 9mm. The production guns offered in 9mm are limited and "fair." If I had a broader range of 1911s to choose from, I'd be looking at offerings from Nighthawk, Wilson, Les Baer, and Rock River.

Oh, which I completely forgot. Look into Dan Wesson, I believe they offer 1911s in 9mm. I'd definitely look hard into a DW. They're a great value for the quality of parts you receive.


Bambam-31 was referring to my pistol. I have it running fine now, but it was finicky. The overtravel screw needed adjusting a couple of times (doubling and not dropping the hammer), finally locktited. Since I use Cobra mags, it needed the followers replaced with the dropleg followers. It locks back reliably now. Other than that, it runs fine. The extractor needs to be kept relatively clean, and with a lot of tension. Otherwise a fun gun, but I do lust for a semi-custom 9mm 1911.

blkbrd666
September 9, 2008, 01:08 PM
man that sti is sweet, think i just had an accident...

You should get the TROJAN.

ge0624me
September 9, 2008, 01:10 PM
yeah that does kinda sound like a route i'll probably be taking but im looking at the d/w as one of 1st options, atbliss im curious what that trojan runs & is that in 9mm?

gc70
September 9, 2008, 01:15 PM
Every 9mm Colt I've seen was a 4.5 Commander.

Here you go - a 9mm Colt Government Model (model number O-1992).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gc70/Colt199205.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gc70/Colt1991-199202.jpg

swopejs
September 9, 2008, 01:17 PM
manofsteele has a couple of brand new DW PM9's for sale at $915 each . . . he's absolutely great to deal with, and he could get it sent to you ASAP. I can send you a flier of his deal - just PM me.

ge0624me
September 9, 2008, 01:20 PM
very nice gc70, where do you guys get all these pics at, i tell you what colt is definitely not a pushover....

bigmike45
September 9, 2008, 01:59 PM
Springfields are nice, but they were built a little looser than I prefer. Comparing both the Kimber was fit tighter and had a better trigger.

I have a stainless loaded target in 9mm that is as tight as my $2500 Wilson. I checked the trigger the other day and it breaks like glass at 5 lbs. Accuracy is not an issue with this gun, it tears ragged holes. I had a Kimber that was just the opposite, loose slide but had a decent trigger. Shot pretty good once I sent it back to have the sights adjusted. It shot 11" high right out of the box.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/mike_seale/SA9191115.jpg

atblis
September 9, 2008, 02:32 PM
http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Trojan5/Trojan5.html
Yep, comes in 9mm.

MSRP is $1024. I'd guess they sell for somewhere between $900 and $1000.

Dan Wesson is worth considering too.
For a plinker, Springfield would be decent.
A used Colt...

BlindJustice
September 9, 2008, 02:33 PM
I have a S&W 1911 5" Bbl. Stainless Steel
& drifted a bit, this spring getting a CZ 75B so
spank me. I'm trading for a 2nd 1911 later this
month with a Revolver I don't care for /doesn't fit.

Howver, I handled a SA EMP and am saving up
seems like a nice CCW piece to me with the same
1911 manual of arms. SInce getting the CZ 75B
in 9MMx19 I've been enjoying the cartridge

I took a friend to the range a month ago. We took
my 1911 and the CZ 75B. Afterwards he said he wanted
a 9MM but on a 1911 platform but just a bit shorter in
Bbl. Len. I told him he wanted a 1911 Commander with
the 4.25" Bbl./Slide He liked the 1911 trigger more
Of course!

Randall

steelyblue
September 9, 2008, 03:10 PM
I like this one. My $800 9mm. It has over 3000 rounds through it now.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f65/ssballow/001.jpg

This is what it does at 15 yrds:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f65/ssballow/016.jpg

nalioth
September 9, 2008, 03:19 PM
Is there a reason for having a 9mm in a 1911 platform ( other than just to have one )?

atblis
September 9, 2008, 03:25 PM
Higher Capacity
Cheaper Ammo
Less Recoil
Something Different

steelyblue
September 9, 2008, 06:04 PM
They are every bit as fun as the 45acp, but you can shoot more for the same amount of money. I would like to eventually get one in a full size, but my Pro is fun, nontheless. Oh yeah, they make it a cinch to keep on target in rapid fire.

BamBam-31
September 9, 2008, 07:31 PM
Sorry, I missed the 9mm part.

Hmmm ... mass production, and 9mm. Rock River is not what I consider a mass producer/manufacturer. And they certainly aren't in the $1,000 price range.

Kimber won't get my vote for "best" in any category other than quality of full page photo ads.

It pains me to say this, but with all the OP's criteria considered, IMHO the only one that fits all the parameters is Springfield Armory.

And I missed the "massed produced" part, but I did get the "best" part (hence the RRA mention). Thing is, "best" and "mass produced" are something of an oxymoron. Given the OP's parameters, the Kimber is as "best" as any other offering in that particular category.

Oh, and since we're picking nits, he didn't mention the $1000 price range til after I mentioned the $2500 RRA. ;)

Black Majik
September 9, 2008, 07:43 PM
Please, please, invite him out for a day at Angeles :)

BamBam-31
September 9, 2008, 08:23 PM
Good God, man, not again! :D

atblis
September 9, 2008, 09:09 PM
Given the OP's parameters, the Kimber is as "best" as any other offering in that particular category.
I'd take the STI over a Kimber.

BamBam-31
September 9, 2008, 09:16 PM
Sadly, STI's are not on the CA DOJ's list of approved handguns. :(

Phydeaux642
September 9, 2008, 09:26 PM
I wonder why you can find a decent 1911 in .45 (Rock Island) for a reasonable amount of money but not a 1911 in 9mm. I would jump on one for $500, but not for $1000.

Cloudpeak
September 9, 2008, 09:46 PM
I shot a friend's 9mm STI and was very impressed. I really liked the "high cut" on the trigger guard/grip interface. It felt like I was getting a higher grip with the STI than I do on my Springfield 1911's and the trigger guard doesn't rub my middle finger.

I'm interested in a 9mm 1911 for shooting plates. My lead supply will last longer shooting little 9mm bullets cast bullets (I really like the Lee 105 gr. SWC cast bullets) instead of my 45's 200 gr. SWC's.

Cloudpeak

punchdrunk
September 9, 2008, 10:17 PM
I have a sti and a kimber. Like them both.

sadp40
September 10, 2008, 12:23 AM
i have a colt combat commander, an all steel blued beauty. i also have a .38 super barrel that i can swap out for more power.

jaysouth
September 10, 2008, 10:56 AM
Sorry you live in Kali.

STI Trojan and Ranger II in 9mm will give you more bang for the buck than a Kimber or SA.

Always order STIs through Brazos or Dawson Precision.

If 1911 is not an option 7 or 800 spent on a Tanfoglio plus a Barsto barrel and a trigger job would get you Les Baer or Rock River accuracy in 9mm. A Smith 952 might just be the most accurate 9mm on the planet but is very pricy.

atblis
September 10, 2008, 11:07 AM
If 1911 is not an option 7 or 800 spent on a Tanfoglio plus a Barsto barrel and a trigger job would get you Les Baer or Rock River accuracy in 9mm.
Heck, just get a Witness Elite Limited. Would come in about the same price as the STI Trojan.

http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/108283000/108283151/pix1045469265.jpg

BamBam-31
September 10, 2008, 12:36 PM
OMG, I so want a Witness. :(

Anyways, I do own an X5 and a Matt Mink custom CZ SP-01, so I'm pretty good as far as uber-accurate 9mm's go. X5 cost twice as much as the SP-01, but you wouldn't know it shooting both side by side! Talk about bang for the buck! :p

punchdrunk
September 11, 2008, 09:41 PM
I have a kimber aegis pro that shoots great and has the carry melt treatment. Love the little tack driver.

ge0624me
September 18, 2008, 08:36 PM
i went with a STI TROJAN 5.0, should be picking it up tomorrow at my ffl,..cant wait, i've heard alot of good things about STI,...

Cloudpeak
September 18, 2008, 08:43 PM
Sadly, STI's are not on the CA DOJ's list of approved handguns.

From STI:

We will be suspending all shipments of guns to California effective October 13, 2007. This includes everyone from civilians to Law Enforcement.

Cloudpeak

loosecannon
September 19, 2008, 12:33 AM
The 1911 9mm is the sweetest shooting center fire pistol that I ever shot, and I have fired most of them over the years. Felt recoil for some reason is very mild compared to similar pistols in 9mm.

I regret that I no longer own one. My advice would be to buy one made by CZ/Dan Wesson. Their product is truly fine.

If you locate an older Colt version, you may see a very high collector price tag, and although it will be a nice gun, you may be disappointed with its accuracy which might be described as service(1950/60's)level.

With the CZDW you should be ready to go out of the box without spending money on gunsmithing.

robctwo
September 19, 2008, 01:14 AM
I was looking at the STI real hard. The 2008 DW 9mms weren't out or being talked about. I was also looking at the Kimber and the SA. I ended up with a Les Baer PII from John at ProLoad. Had some exractor trouble out of the box, but once that was resolved it runs like a dream. I only mentioned that so Richard could feel a slight pang of envy.

Ran about 400 through it the other day. Lots of fun.

Trebor
September 19, 2008, 02:00 AM
My wife wants a Commander sized 1911 in 9mm.

Which of these companies make a 9mm with a 4" or 4.25" barrel?

I think the DW only offers a 9mm with a 5" barrel, correct?

What about the other manufacturers?

surjimmy
September 19, 2008, 02:35 AM
Les Baer, you'll pay for it but worth every penny. Try John at proload.com.

huntershooter
September 19, 2008, 07:25 AM
STI.

farscott
September 19, 2008, 10:04 AM
The "best made" 1911 in 9x19 is going to come from one of the semi-custom shops. Mine is a Baer, but I have tried the STI Trojan 5.0 (best value for the money) and the STI TargetMaster (great PPC gun). I still have not tried a Wilson 9x19, but I did have John Harrison build me a 9x19 1911 on a Series '80 Colt chambered in 9x23.

As far as Commander-length 1911s in 9x19, Baer will build one, but the MSRP is close to $2300. I believe Wilson will also build one. Kimber has built .38 Super four-inch guns, so a barrel and extractor change will yield a 9x19 gun.

Black Majik
September 19, 2008, 01:49 PM
What's that feeling....?



Oh yes, the slight pang of envy. :D

Jayhawker
September 19, 2008, 01:54 PM
+1 (or 2 and 3) on the STI Trojan. Mine's the 6" model and equals my .45s as far as accuracy.

Pete

Southern6er
September 19, 2008, 03:15 PM
What length is the PM9 barrel? Full size frame or commander frame? I have a Kimber Pro Carry II in .45 and would like a 1911 in 9mm to go along with that. While I COULD go with a Pro Carry II in 9mm as well, I'd rather mix things up a bit.

I messed around with a DW CBOB in .45 the other day at our local shop and it is priced comparably to the PM9's. Felt VERY smooth, solid, and tight. I'd assume the PM9's to be the same. Felt more solid than my Kimber. While I love my Kimber, I'd like one of the these semi-custom ones with quality parts and craftsmanship.

So if you had to choose between a PM9 or a CBOB in .45, which would ya go with? :)

His
September 19, 2008, 07:22 PM
can't find PM9 on Dan Wesson site-can't find manofsteele site. Anybody got some correct addresses for these sites?

knockonit
September 19, 2008, 07:36 PM
I still have my m39 I bought in the mid 70's, not sure how many rounds have gone thru it, but its a sweet and accurate shooter, only the sig p6 comes close IMO
good luck

schmeky
September 19, 2008, 10:51 PM
You can build your own as well. This is my Colt 38 Super converted to 9mm. I had a match barrel installed, a fitted barrel bushing, I installed the LPA adjustable rear sight and did my own trigger work. I did the same thing with a Rock Island Armory 38 Super several months ago, which was a very inexpensive shooter in 9mm.

This Colt will shoot a 1/2" group at 30' with my handloads.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j235/schmeky/IMG_0541.jpg

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