Trouble coming in New Jersey


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denfoote
September 7, 2003, 12:55 AM
You guys and gals from NJ had better read this!! Kali too!!!! :fire: :cuss: :banghead:

http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1105260#post1105260

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WT
September 7, 2003, 07:24 AM
If this technology works out, I suspect all gun makers will use it. They would be wide open to civil lawsuits if they failed to utilize a commonly available safety device.

This doesn't just affect NJ. It affects the entire gun industry throughout the USA.

0007
September 7, 2003, 07:28 AM
I've seen pictures of this silly thing. Once you shoot it, you have to take it back to the dealer for reloading. It's the size of a small sub-gun and looks about as user friendly as a skunk with a toothache. This will have no bearing on the clowns that write the laws in the pr of nj or pr of ca for that matter. What would stop this would be for the people to rise up and say that if we, the people , have to use these stupid things so do the police. Maybe some kind of ca-style initiative or something. Of course the other hopeful factor is that Metal-Storm hasn't produced anything in the 5(?) - 8(?) yearsb they've been turning out PR.

PeteyPete
September 7, 2003, 07:53 AM
All the more reason to get up and leave NJ.

Politically Incorrect
September 7, 2003, 08:35 AM
For as many times the computer on my car seems to screw up, I'm sure I don't want one on a firearm.

jimpeel
September 7, 2003, 05:09 PM
Smart gun technology is a Trojan horse -- wherein the defects which are not currently inherent to guns, and never have been found to exist in court, will be designed in -- and the manufacturers will be sued into oblivion.

We need to call the various manufacturers and SCREAM at them that this is an effort to force the industry to design defects into their products so those who want to ban firearms will be able to bankrupt them. This is NOTHING BUT A PLOY in the anti-firearms playbook.

We need to encourage the manufacturers to reject this "technology" and insist on their continuing to build the best damned firearms the world has ever seen using the best proven technology the world has ever seen.

denfoote
September 7, 2003, 05:10 PM
Point is that as I understand it, all that needs to have happen for that law to take effect is that the technology be demonstrated as being viable.

Anybody from NJ correct me if I'm wrong. The thing does not have to be on the market. You don't have to be able to go down to the store and actually buy one!! In fact, the whole intent of the law is for you NOT to be able to buy one!! They don't want any people armed there in NJ Time to rise up people and stop these goofs now!!

Ian Sean
September 7, 2003, 07:32 PM
New Jersey is already in trouble, its called McGreavy, Corzine and Lautenberg.

Standing Wolf
September 7, 2003, 09:58 PM
A microchip in the weapon would remember the grip and determine in an instant whether the authorized user was holding the weapon. If not, the gun would not fire.

You'll never find one of those in my gun safe.

chaim
September 7, 2003, 10:17 PM
Darn, they better not be getting close to putting those "smart guns" out. By MD law as soon as one is commercially available (there is a commission that needs to determine that they are openly available) then "smart guns" will be the only legal new guns.:cuss: MDers, we better get that idiotic law changed FAST...

NIGHTWATCH
September 8, 2003, 02:17 AM
Isnt imposing such a device on gun owners an infringment? Isnt it a matter of choice? The auto industry may be subject to such regulations but Gun Ownrship is a civil liberty. I should NOT be forced into using such a device if I choose not to. Congress shall make no law? :rolleyes:

Nathaniel Firethorn
September 8, 2003, 03:54 AM
Didn't realize that the "smart" gun law had metastasized to MD. Presumably the police are exempt and the politicos have immunized themselves there as well?

NRA tried to win the cheap way, by making deals with McGreasy. McGreasy has proven that he doesn't need to give a damn about keeping his word, as long as a Democrat majority controls every part of state government. Now the win is going to be costly.

- pdmoderator

ScottsGT
September 8, 2003, 04:48 AM
I saw a show on Discovery ( I think) more than a year back where Colt was trying this. I think it was dropped due to the high cost involved in the R&D with no return on the investment. Who would buy it? You? Me? Police Depts? NO ONE!
I think theirs had the shooter wear a special ring though.

4570Rick
September 8, 2003, 05:30 AM
The more complex they make a gun, the more often it will break.:scrutiny:

It's that simple.:(

It's that stupid.:fire:

Maybe when law inforcement loses mount up because they have to use the "new guns" and the BG is using "old trustworthy", law enforcement will sue the pants off the stupid politicians.:fire:

chaim
September 9, 2003, 01:23 AM
Didn't realize that the "smart" gun law had metastasized to MD. Presumably the police are exempt and the politicos have immunized themselves there as well?
Actually we might have got it first (I know Clinton was portraying the bill and later law as a model for the nation). The original bill was worse, it mandated such guns by 2003 whether they were available or not. In a "compromise" it was changed to mandate them after a commission appointed by the governor determines that they are commercially available. I am pretty sure the police are exempt (the State Police were among the biggest lobbyists for the bill and I doubt they would have supported it if it effected them too).

Tamara
September 9, 2003, 04:10 AM
Maybe when law inforcement loses mount up because they have to use the "new guns" and the BG is using "old trustworthy", law enforcement will sue the pants off the stupid politicians.

Ah, but the ruling class is exempt in both states that this goofy legislation has been passed in.

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