Will Colt start making the Delta Elite 10mm again?
WonderNine
September 7, 2003, 04:53 AM
What do ya'll think?
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BlkHawk73
September 7, 2003, 08:19 AM
Doubt it unless there's a resurgance of 10mm guns from other makers. The .41 is coming back partly due to Marlin and Taurus having released models for the .41 lately. Until Manufactueres do the same to the 10mm, I'd say it'll remain a shadowed cult cartridge.
GeneS
September 7, 2003, 08:21 AM
Judging from Colt's past history, if all the other major 1911 makers start making 10mm's. After the market becomes saturated, then Colt will get back in.
FJC
September 7, 2003, 08:33 AM
There's a rumor from one of the Colt employees that they are strongly considering a Custom Shop run of 10mm pistols. Not sure how firmed up that is or what the timing would be.
Word was it would be in the highest-end Colt Special Combat Government Competition model style. I have one of those in .45, it's an excellent pistol. Blued slide over a nickled frame, though they have done them all in hard-chrome as well.
Looks like this:
http://www.condron.com/pics/colt/scgc-11.JPG
TODD3465
September 7, 2003, 02:27 PM
Well I hope they put it on an updated website if they do.:rolleyes:
When I bought my Colt M-4 Sporter it wasn't there and today when this post reminded me to check again I got a error messege saying their site was down.:rolleyes:
Maybe they would go bankrupt less often if they learned how to market a product.:rolleyes:
And make one that's more affordable. Yeah the 10mm is making a comback so let's bring one out in our most expensive model.:rolleyes:
Sean Smith
September 7, 2003, 02:54 PM
10mm making a comeback? Well, Dan Wesson brought out the Razorback and 10mm Pointman Major, EAA/Tanfolgio brought out a new 10mm Witness Hunter model, and Kimber is set to start delivering 10m versions of their Stainless Target II. So... maybe. :D
Would Colt be dumb to make their 10mm a high-end model? Maybe. But their expensive WWII, S70 and now WWI repros have done well, and the Colt GSP got good press in the gun rags. Colt's thinking is probably that since the Special Combat Government is a low-production custom shop gun, it won't disrupt normal production to introduce it, and if it takes off they can always tool up for a higher volume, cheaper variant later.
And their website works fine for me. :D
TODD3465
September 7, 2003, 03:26 PM
Oh good they FINALLY updated their site with a totally new one.:D
Well I'd rather see them make a plain-jane 1991-A1 type pistol in 10mm then I might actually buy one. :)
Now back to their new website to see what they have to say about my M-4. ;)
Bren
September 7, 2003, 04:29 PM
The 10mm IS making a comback and the 1911's are a GREAT platform for the 10mm and my favorite of the three I own.
If Colt doe's make a 10mm they would be better off using a Fully suported ramped barrel for real 10mm loads. (unlike the Razorback) And Keep the cost under $1.000 Bren
WonderNine
September 7, 2003, 05:21 PM
I agree with Bren and I'd like to add that I hope they come out with a cheaper one as well. Something like a series 70 Colt with a supported chamber. I can always dream....
I don't like all the crap like beavertails (they get in my way), skeletonized hammers and front serations. I want something pretty close to a Delta Elite.
Btw, was the original DE a series 80 style?
FJC
September 7, 2003, 05:48 PM
They completely redid their site a few months ago. Still only pretty crappy pictures, but it's much better than before.
Sean Smith
September 7, 2003, 06:49 PM
All Delta Elites were Series 80 guns. Mine is a former Series 80 gun... kind of like a born-again Virgin. :evil:
Double Naught Spy
September 7, 2003, 07:32 PM
Y'all are funny. Not only do you want Colt to come out with something they don't currently offer, but you would like it in several variations....as if Colt was capable of that right now!
Colt is having trouble making their standard 1911 pistols, issues being with quality control. They are not likely to expand their product line beyond what they already offer until their quality control improves along with their financial statements. Colt is doing better than it has, but is still hardly a healthy pistol company.
WonderNine
September 8, 2003, 12:55 AM
Oh sure DNS, you just HAD to go and ruin all our fun. :D
Well anyways, from what I've heard and seen from the newer Colt pistols QC is better than it's been in awhile.
TODD3465
September 8, 2003, 01:56 AM
Well after looking at their new site it is a BIG improvement over the old one.:)
I started drooling over that Gunsite edition pistol.:D
WonderNine
September 8, 2003, 02:56 AM
Hey I got a question, does anybody know if Colt made the "non-crack" frame improvement before they released their stainless version? In other words are all stainless DE's "non frame crack versions"?
Personally, I don't care for the looks of the "enhanced" version, I'd rather get an original DE, but one with the frame fix.
On a side note: more evidence of crack smoking on guns america (http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976379069.htm)
stans
September 8, 2003, 05:54 AM
WonderNine, I don't think you have to worry about that Delta Elite being sold any time soon. I don't think the owner will ever have to worry about parting with that fired only a little, still a 99% specimen ever leaving his collection either!!! I wonder if he had a Jennings if he would try to sell it at $600?
WonderNine
September 8, 2003, 05:29 PM
Hey I got a question, does anybody know if Colt made the "non-crack" frame improvement before they released their stainless version? In other words are all stainless DE's "non frame crack versions"???
Sean Smith
September 8, 2003, 06:07 PM
The Delta was made in both blue and stainless from 1987-1996. Most pre-Enhanced and all Enhanced versions of both came with the modified frame. Easiest way to explain the mod is to show it to you:
http://www.geocities.com/mr_motorhead/10tech.html#delta
Bottom line is, not all stainless guns have the modified frame, but most of them do, and the modified frame is easy to spot.
duncan
September 10, 2003, 01:08 AM
With Dan Wesson and Kimber tooled up, in production, or about to go to production, Colt would be a little late to the party.
But with all of these new 1911s in 10mm, my Glock 20 feels even lighter in my hands and the recoil is greatly reduced due to the polymer frame.
Try some 200 grain Horn XTP hunting loads in that CDE and then a G20 and you'll know why I prefer 10mm in a Glock.
But I may upgarde my Kimber 40 cal with a 10mm Nowlin barrel just because:p
RTFM
September 10, 2003, 08:40 AM
My request is for a Sig in 10mm
Wishful thinking possibly but still, it would be sweet in my book.
RTFM
BigG
September 10, 2003, 09:20 AM
The frame crack thingie. Before everybody gets in an uproar, the so-called frame crack has to do with the way the Colts up to a certain point left the frame rail intact when they cut out the slidelock window. Many 45s and other calibers would lose the little piece of track over time. This is not limited to 10mm, but all Colts. Colt finally just started cutting it out completely.
The way people mention this it sounds like a catastrophic failure, it isn't, in fact, it's so minor they did away with the little piece of track without harm to the design. HTH :D
BTW, like my Delta and hope y'all get yours!! :cool:
BigG
October 12, 2003, 08:07 AM
I like the 10mm, also.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=538264
Shmackey
October 12, 2003, 11:39 AM
Colt is having trouble making their standard 1911 pistols, issues being with quality control.
These days, that applies more to Brands K and S than it does to Colt. Their basic NRM 1911s are fantastic.
Tman
October 12, 2003, 08:22 PM
FJC wrote:
"There's a rumor from one of the Colt employees that they are strongly considering a Custom Shop run of 10mm pistols"
I hope if Colt does remake the Delta Elite they have some type of replacement for the double recoil spring system :(
Stevie-Ray
October 12, 2003, 08:42 PM
Yeah, that's a good question, has anyone or everyone gone with a single 22 pound or such recoil spring or are they still using the same 2 spring system? Mine still sports everything stock except the stocks.:D (ivory polymer) My DE has the updated frame even though I bought it 15 years ago.
BigG
October 17, 2003, 10:58 AM
I put a 20 lb spring with a GI spring guide in my DGC. There was nothin wrong with the two piece spring that I could see but the lil plastic spring guide was somewhat delicate in appearance. No failures to report, though.
Also have a Colt 10/40 Combat Elite set with both calibers (ten mm and forty) in stock condition. Has two recoil spring set ups, both with double springs and plastic spring guides. Go figure.
MiniZ
October 17, 2003, 10:32 PM
It would be cool if Colt did, but I already know it will be out of my price range.
JMag
October 19, 2003, 12:59 AM
Colt is having trouble making their standard 1911 pistols, issues being with quality control. They are not likely to expand their product line beyond what they already offer until their quality control improves along with their financial statements. Colt is doing better than it has, but is still hardly a healthy pistol company.
Colt is making some of the nicest out-of-the-box 1911s on the market today, IMHO.
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