Home Defense Caliber Poll, 9mm, .45 or .357


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sigbear
September 9, 2008, 07:03 PM
Which caliber do you prefer for your "Home Defense Handgun" and why?

For this poll I am using 3 of the most common calibers, 9mm, .45 and .357 mag.

I own several of each caliber, My choice in order:

1) .45

2) 9mm +P

3) .357 mag. last only because of the blinding flash issue in the dark. Most of the low flash .357 mag. ammo. that I found is med. velocity which would have similar ballistics to 9mm., (Obviously full power .357 mag. would be far more potent).

Example of low flash med. velocity .357 mag and 9mm+P:

9mm +p gold dot - 1220 fps--410 fpe
.357 Golden saber-1220 fps--413 fpe


Sigbear

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CountGlockula
September 9, 2008, 07:04 PM
Personally a .40S&W is perfect for me.

But, according to your list...

.45ACP, because the bigger the hole the better.

possum
September 9, 2008, 07:16 PM
i wish there was an "other" choice on your poll as i use .40S&w, in my xd service model with m6 as my hd gun.

as soon as i test enough .45acp sd loads and settle on one, my 1911 will be my defense but for the last 3 years and for the time being the xd and .40 is my go to gun and caliber.

Walkalong
September 9, 2008, 07:19 PM
.45

.357 is LOUD inside, is liable to have a GREAT deal of muzzle flash, and is hard to manage for many people.

The boom from a .45 is easier to deal with than the crack of the 9MM indoors with no hearing protection.

Why 9mm when you can have a .45 anyway. :)

mavracer
September 9, 2008, 08:07 PM
45 low pressure

krs
September 9, 2008, 09:00 PM
.45 make hard thump on bad guy. Take his breath away.

steelyblue
September 9, 2008, 09:03 PM
I use all three, but I shoot 45 the best.

tigre
September 9, 2008, 09:19 PM
I'm happy with my 9mm because it's comfortable, I shoot it well, and if the first hole isn't big enough I can make 14 more.

boostedxt
September 9, 2008, 09:23 PM
Whatever gun I shoot the best. For me its my 9MM. its the gun I draw the fastest, most accurate with, and feel the most comfortable with.

Joe

.cheese.
September 9, 2008, 09:25 PM
Most people have voted for .45, for obvious reasons as it's a great round: manageable, can have good mag capacity, and proven.

I voted .357 mag though not because I think .357 mag is better than .45, if I was (G-d forbid) in a gunfight for my life, I'd opt for a .45 autoloader any day.

However, as a home defense gun, walls become a problem. .45 is heavy and capable of overpenetrating (notice I didn't say it was likely to). I think that the ratio of size to velocity with the .357 mag is better suited to use in a house as I feel it's less likely to overpenetrate. Additionally, revolvers don't jam, and open up the opportunity to use certain special ammunitions specifically designed for home-defense with avoiding overpenetration in mind while at the same time not worry about feeding issues from such rounds.

That's why I picked it. Bear in mind though, it can kick hard from a snubby if that's your HD gun, probably harder than .45 in a subcompact autoloader.

Poor East Texan
September 9, 2008, 09:26 PM
I plan to get to my 870 actually....

But closest to hand is a 1911 in .45ACP by God!

mbt2001
September 9, 2008, 09:26 PM
I have a .357 loaded with .38's+p and regular .38's. I have a 12 gauge too... Obviously would grab it first.

revolvers don't jam,

+1

TXCHL2008
September 9, 2008, 09:46 PM
I personally carry a Kimber Custom CDP II, 5" 1911 in .45ACP at home (and carry it as my primary CCW about 40% of the time). I also have my other primary concealed carry .45 - a Colt New Agent, and an XD .40SC. But for home defense, they are only to fight my way to my Remington 870 Super Mag loaded with Remington Express Mag 00BK.

Jeff

Rexster
September 9, 2008, 09:51 PM
I don't have a dedicated home-defense weapon, instead using the same weapons I have acquired for duty and carry. My primary duty pistol(s) must be .40, though I am "allowed" to use other chamberings for "off-duty and back-up" purposes. Rather than switch/change weapons twice a day, and therefore opening a safe twice a day, I use .40 and .357 mag handguns, and a twelve-gauge shotgun, for all regular daily purposes.

That being said, I would go with .45 ACP and .45 Colt handguns if home defense was the primary goal, and outside factors did not influence the decision. That is how I voted in the poll, and I do own .45 handguns.

I like the gentler flash and recoil characteristics of regular-pressure .45 ACP and Colt ammo, along with the less-sharp noise signature. (Actual decibel level is not necessarily less.)

I will add that I much prefer a long gun for almost all defensive purposes, but this poll is in the handgun section, so I won't get into that.

kitsapcharly
September 9, 2008, 09:53 PM
I'm a great fan of the 45 for serious business. 22 for target practice. In between sometimes because you can't carry your 45 too easily in some clothing.
For home defense the obvious answer is you the 13-round mag in my Springfield Armory XD-45c instead of the 10-round mag it has in it at the moment.:)

Don357
September 9, 2008, 10:31 PM
I chose .45, but I actually have all 3 as well as a 12ga pump within arms reach of my bed.:neener:
P.S. There's also a .308 CETME right beside the 12ga!

SureThing
September 9, 2008, 10:36 PM
12ga.

Or .45

Remember, if you live in a residental area, you should really consider over penetration.

mgkdrgn
September 9, 2008, 10:44 PM
45 Colt with a 9mm chaser

00 from 12 guage as a backup

KBintheSLC
September 9, 2008, 10:51 PM
You really need to add "other" as an option... there are a lot of options that are left out. My first choice for an HD handgun is a 10mm Auto.

UnTainted
September 9, 2008, 10:58 PM
357sig, 9mm, or .40.

I will switch to .45 when I get into suppressors, though! :D

weisse52
September 9, 2008, 11:10 PM
.45. For all the postive comments already mentioned.

elChupacabra!
September 9, 2008, 11:17 PM
Alright here goes I'm gonna be the first one to say it apparrently...

Revolvers certainly CAN jam - and if they do, no immediate action drill in the world, short of "drive to gunsmith," is gonna get you back in the fight!

So for me .357 Mag doesn't get any points from the reliability front, although it is certainly a very capable caliber in other regards. I like 45 ACP for the big hole, manageable recoil / flash, good magazine capacity, and pure shootability of my custom 1911.

Ok run for cover :eek:

HGUNHNTR
September 9, 2008, 11:23 PM
I prefer the .357 simply because that is what I have the most confidence in.

Caliban
September 9, 2008, 11:37 PM
However, as a home defense gun, walls become a problem. .45 is heavy and capable of overpenetrating (notice I didn't say it was likely to). I think that the ratio of size to velocity with the .357 mag is better suited to use in a house as I feel it's less likely to overpenetrate.


i was under the impression the 45 was less likely to overpenetrate than a 357 magnum.

mljdeckard
September 10, 2008, 12:42 AM
Talking about overpenetration, stopping power, or reliability is really splitting hairs here. Any of these plans can work or fail. Trying to perfectly match the gun to a hypothetical situation is......unreliable.

Use the one you shoot best, use premium ammo. All defensive handguns should have night sights anyway. Get a good flashlight and some training in how to use it correctly.

And most of all, remember Clint Smith. "The handgun is what you use to fight your way back to the long gun you never should have put down in the first place." If a handgun is what you have, that's what you use, but they are all varying degrees of bad choices. Think hard about a rifle and/or shotgun with proper ammo.

george29
September 10, 2008, 01:10 AM
^ What he said!

Controllability + capacity + penetration = 9mm

Imagine a G-17 with a +2 pearce = 19+1 rounds of +P+ as a home defense weapon. 20 hits with a .36 caliber projectile is NICE!

Edit 9/11: They are all good guns for SD, but nothing like a 12 gauge for HD

hags
September 10, 2008, 02:22 AM
Uh, I voted .357, 'cause there's just no way the others equal it's performance when it comes to stopping power.

IMO it's the ultimate self/home defense round. :what:

http://www.gunblast.com/RKCampbell_StoppingPower.htm

If you don't wanna read the entire article then read just the last part entitled "Author's perspective".

Defensory
September 10, 2008, 03:19 AM
1. .45
2. 9mm

Not interested in a .357 for home defense, for the following reasons:

Excessive recoil
Excessive muzzle blast
Excessive muzzle flash
Excessive penetration

loop
September 10, 2008, 07:58 AM
Seems pretty clear that few of the folks responding have ever shot a gun in their living room. So here are a couple of things to consider. A .357 will knock all the pictures, and crap off the wall when fired in a space about 16X16. It will loosen nails.

A 9mm will only knock loose things down, like if you have a picture in a frame hanging on by a thread.

A .45 will slam everything downrange from the muzzle and take it off the wall. It will tip over glasses on a table.

All three will leave you with no hearing.

You will be very confused after the first round and in all likely-hood wondering where the Nuke came from that knocked every knick knack you own from its perch.

The one that is best is the one you can hit center mass on your first shot, because after that things will get very hazy and happen very quickly.

Just the humble opinion of someone who has fired a few shots in the living room....

Rexster
September 10, 2008, 09:21 AM
I have been present inside a rather small room when a 145-grain Winchester Silvertip was touched off in a 4" sixgun. Pictures remained on walls, and while my ears were not happy, I could still hear. I was not in fight-or-flight mode when that round went off, so that was not why my ears were not deafened. I was also present in a small room when a .45 ACP Silvertip was fired from an N-frame snubby. The experience was not as bad as the .357 discharge, and pictures remained on the walls. Knick-knacks were not present on shelves in either case; perhaps those would have indeed been knocked about.

hags linked to a Gunblast.com article by R.K. Cambell, which I have read before, and I agree. The .357 is an excellent defensive round, for sure, and I have used it with good effect, from my point of view. No, not the above-mentioned Silvertip in a small room, but a 125-grain Federal JHP in a parking lot. I don't need Marshall/Sanow to tell me the .357 is excellent, and I still use it regularly for HD, carry, and police back-up. If I had to stick with one cartridge for all reasons and seasons, it would be the .357 mag.

So, why did I go with .45 in the poll? Well, HD was the specified parameter. I love the .357 for the streets and for field use, but for home defense, if I can't have a long weapon in my hands, I want a large autopistol. My SIG .40 duty pistols are excellent, but .40 was not a choice. My .45 Les Baer TRS is excellent, too, and .45 was a choice.

To get really picky and long-winded, I will add that if I do have a long-barreled firearm in my hands, and am in HD mode, I consider spurless-hammer .357 sixguns to be excellent backups to the long weapon.

hags
September 10, 2008, 10:31 AM
Rexter,

Long barreled weapon? How about a 4" GP100 or Model 28?

Heck, you could even go with a 2" barrel.


loop,

The one that is best is the one you can hit center mass on your first shot, because after that things will get very hazy and happen very quickly.

that's when you fall back on your training!

havent' had anything fall off the walls when I've fired indoors, regardless of what I'm shooting.


Excessive recoil
Excessive muzzle blast
Excessive muzzle flash
Excessive penetration

you forgot one, excessive stopping power.

The .45acp and the 9mm do not have the energy that the .357 Magnum does, period.
I don't even think that's a fair comparrison, the .357 Magnum pretty much stands alone when it comes to a defensive gun/cartridge combination, IMO.

mljdeckard
September 10, 2008, 07:05 PM
ALL guns fired inside have a terribly loud report. None of them are fatal in their noise level.

Back in the day, when I was .......younger, among other things I did was fire some guns in my friend's basement 'range' he had set up. This was back when we all believed that hearing protection was for sissies, and if our grandfathers had done it for years, it must not be too terrible. We fired all of the above, except the ones that hadn't been invented yet. It was loud. It sucked. Our ears rang for a few days. It did NOT incapacitate us. It did NOT in any way deter us from doing it repeatedly. Do I prefer it? No. Would I hesitate to do it if I had to? Not for a millisecond.

(My hearing is fine, I near max the army physical hearing tests, after that, many years of guitars and rock concerts, and other stuff.)

No handgun has ENOUGH force to do the job reliably.

tiger rag
September 10, 2008, 10:00 PM
I own all three ,I like them all but prefer the 45acp . I shoot it best!

zxcvbob
September 10, 2008, 10:09 PM
I prefer a .38 Special, but of the 3 you listed I'd go with the .45 (especially if you mean .45 Colt, but also the .45 ACP) cuz it makes bigger holes.

skoro
September 10, 2008, 10:39 PM
I own handguns in all three calibers. And I enjoy shooting all of them. But my home defense gun both here and at my cabin in the woods is a S&W .357 revolver. The inherent simplicity and reliability of the wheelgun combined with the powerful 357 mag cartridge makes it an easy call for me.

CHEVELLE427
September 10, 2008, 11:38 PM
I'm happy with my 9mm because it's comfortable, I shoot it well, and if the first hole isn't big enough I can make 14 more.

THAT IS ONLY 1 MORE THEN MY XD45;)

Snapping Twig
September 10, 2008, 11:45 PM
.45acp all the way.

Big heavy bullet, easy follow-up, short range - what's not to like? :)

Add to this the fact that it won't go quite so far after passing through the BG and the walls compared to other rounds. Not saying it won't, just does it less.

jjohnson
September 11, 2008, 11:31 AM
Well, if it's for home defense, that means I don't have to carry the thing all day.
First choice is 12 gauge with #4 Buck, but if you want the handgun answer, .45 ACP. I teethed in the 1970s on a GI M1911A1, carried one in the Army, and have always been comfortable the the handling, reliability, and power.

No, don't get started with me on power of hot .357 versus hot .45 :fire: I love the .357 but for home defense, I'd prefer the heavier, fast expanding 45 ammo.

Ben86
September 11, 2008, 11:31 AM
Those are three of the best calibers in the world. I say choose the one that you shoot the best.

I would not want the .357 because I don't want to limit myself to a revolver if I can use a full sized gun. I prefer the 9mm for its ease of use, economics and the fact that I don't feel the .45 offers much more in stopping power. The .357 however is in a whole different league called "magnum!" With around 600 fpe it can be used for hunting medium game.

Otto
September 11, 2008, 11:45 AM
Caliber don't matter, shot placement does... just ask the family of Robert F Kennedy.
With that said, I prefer the 357 Sig.

slow944
September 11, 2008, 11:51 AM
From all the statistics I've seen the 357 has a 96% one shot stop, Thats why I keep a GP100 on my night stand.

golden
September 11, 2008, 11:57 AM
I use the 9m.m. most of the time with +P ammo. It is the most controlable and has the largest magazine capacity.

Any of the them will do with a decent hollow point. I would also add the .40S&W as well.

Jim

md7
September 11, 2008, 12:03 PM
a sig 226 in .40 is what i prefer and keep for HD, but given the options listed. i pick the 357. why? because i don't have a 45 or 9mm, but i do have a gp 100 in .357.

Vern Humphrey
September 11, 2008, 12:03 PM
My home defense weapon is an Ithaca Model 37 in 12 gauge.

My carry gun is a M1911 in .45 ACP.

easyg
September 11, 2008, 01:43 PM
If I had to choose from your list I would pick the .45ACP.

But I prefer the .40S&W over all three.

Old Grump
September 11, 2008, 01:49 PM
voted 45 because its my preferred gun for SD and I am good with it.

That being said my night stand gun is a 357 loaded with 38 spcl, (no +P, if I want that much bang I would have stayed with a 357 load). Reason for the night stand choice is if I am woken up by an intruder I have a gun that is simple to operate and won't night blind me with its muzzle flash if I have to shoot in a darkened room. If I'm up and awake the 45 is my choice for the reasons of bigger is better and I don't feel like penetrating a couple of walls and upsetting whoever is on the other side of them.

JZ06
September 11, 2008, 02:01 PM
I favor the 9mm. It's a caliber I am very comfortable with. Shot placement is what it's all about. That works for me. The bigger is better theory does apply to the .45. One hit in the right place with one of those honkers and it's a one way ticket to an eternal sleep for the intruder! Same can be of a 9mm if it's in the right place. If you can handle a .45, I say go for that. See if you can try all three. Whichever you can do best with, that should be your choice.

jpatterson
September 11, 2008, 02:25 PM
I usually snuggle with a 12 gauge, but now the new XD .45 has joined the ranks of my bedside table

Lobotomy Boy
September 11, 2008, 03:37 PM
I voted for .45 because I've got a Glock 21 with a light by my bed, a Glock 36 on my hip, and my wife has a Glock 30 in her purse. I'd be a hypocrite if I picked a different caliber.

hags
September 11, 2008, 03:46 PM
If I had to choose from your list I would pick the .45ACP.

But I prefer the .40S&W over all three.

Not to hijack this thread but.

Let me play devil's advocate for a minute.........

What the hell does the .40S&W offer that the other three don't?

I, like many others don't see a need for the .40S&W when you have the 9mm or the .45ACP.

hags
September 11, 2008, 03:48 PM
I cannot believe more have voted for the 9mm than the .357. Does this have anything to do with the .357 Magnum being a revolver cartridge?

'cause if I want to put someone 6 feet under I'll choose the .357, if I want to send them to the hospital or go there myself I'll choose the 9mm.
All other things being equal, ie, shot placement.

XDKingslayer
September 11, 2008, 04:06 PM
.45

GAP that is.

md7
September 11, 2008, 11:20 PM
hello hags,

i can't answer why other people have gone for the .40, but i can tell you why it is my pick.
1- the performance is near that of a .45
2- the capacity is close to a 9mm
3- double stack 45's are too thick for me, but the .40 is not.

i guess it is the best of both worlds FOR ME. slightly more umph to it than a 9mm, and a few more rounds than a .45

that said, the 9mm and .45 are both great SD rounds imho. i just liked the .40 a little better.

Blue .45
September 12, 2008, 12:08 AM
I cannot believe more have voted for the 9mm than the .357. Does this have anything to do with the .357 Magnum being a revolver cartridge?


For me it does. The 16rd. capacity, plus the fact that I can shoot my CZ75 faster and more accurately than my GP100, are the primary reason I chose the 9mm. However, if I could only keep one handgun, it would be the .357, because it has a broader range of applications.


cause if I want to put someone 6 feet under I'll choose the .357, if I want to send them to the hospital or go there myself I'll choose the 9mm.

It would be interesting to know how many people were put 6 feet under by the 9mm versus the .357 magnum, worldwide. In any case, I prefer more more rounds in my fighting gun.

Lonestar49
September 12, 2008, 12:14 AM
...

While at Home:

First, and foremost, IF I can get to either, one of my shotguns, bar none..

Then, IF I'm in my home office and have to gun and run, it's a 45..

IF it's night time, bedtime, it's my 9mm with CT laser grips..

IF I had personal choice, and the time, it would be one of my 40 S&W's that I shoot the most accurate, and the fastest, with follow-up shots.. my main daytime ccw weapon of choice..


Ls

hags
September 12, 2008, 12:22 AM
It would be interesting to know how many people were put 6 feet under by the 9mm versus the .357 magnum, worldwide. In any case, I prefer more more rounds in my fighting gun.

Why's that? :confused:

I'm sure with the 9mm being a NATO round in use around the world for a number of years by police and military it has been used in more firefights than any other handgun cartridge.

You'll get no argument from me on that. That doesn't mean that it's the best round for home defense.

For me it does. The 16rd. capacity, plus the fact that I can shoot my CZ75 faster and more accurately than my GP100, are the primary reason I chose the 9mm. However, if I could only keep one handgun, it would be the .357, because it has a broader range of applications.

Let's face it, if you need 16 rounds in a combat situation you're doing something wrong, or you're really in deep ****.
I do see your point, but.......................as said here before, shot placement is king!

glockman19
September 12, 2008, 12:28 AM
I really can't reply because I use all three.

Blue .45
September 12, 2008, 01:01 AM
Let's face it, if you need 16 rounds in a combat situation you're doing something wrong, or you're really in deep ****.

Since fights can be unpredictable, I don't really know how many rounds are enough.

I'm sure with the 9mm being a NATO round in use around the world for a number of years by police and military it has been used in more firefights than any other handgun cartridge.

You'll get no argument from me on that. That doesn't mean that it's the best round for home defense.

I didn't say it is the best. I have yet to see definitive proof of which is the best. I''m just saying there is plenty of evidence that the 9mm works. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a ton of confidence in any handgun caliber. Whether I have a 9mm, .45 or .357, I plan to shoot until the attack stops, or I run out of ammo. I just think the 9mm can be as effective as any other handgun round, assuming the shooter does his part.

as said here before, shot placement is king!

I agree 100%. This is why I mentioned that I shoot my CZ75 the best. At least, of the guns which I own.

SubSolar
September 12, 2008, 12:12 PM
.45 cause of it makes bigger holes, is quieter than the others and recoil isn't that bad. In Federal HST or Winchester Ranger T, the .45's expand to over an inch. That's like punching silver dollar sized holes in bad guys!

SubSolar
September 12, 2008, 12:20 PM
What the hell does the .40S&W offer that the other three don't?

I, like many others don't see a need for the .40S&W when you have the 9mm or the .45ACP.

The .40 S&W is a modern, high pressure cartridge. Some tests show it close to .45 stopping power. Yet it holds more rounds and is offered in the same sized frames as 9mm. It's supposed to be a compromise between in 9mm and .45 both in terms of stopping power and fire power (capacity). However, if you live in a state like California (as I do) that limits magazines to 10 rounds, there is no compromise compared with 9mm.

crebralfix
September 12, 2008, 12:28 PM
Yes.

Papaster
September 12, 2008, 01:48 PM
.45





Out of a Thompson 1928, Suppressed. J/K. But I do prefer .45 for many of the above mentioned reasons.

hags
September 12, 2008, 02:14 PM
The .40 S&W is a modern, high pressure cartridge. Some tests show it close to .45 stopping power. Yet it holds more rounds and is offered in the same sized frames as 9mm. It's supposed to be a compromise between in 9mm and .45 both in terms of stopping power and fire power (capacity). However, if you live in a state like California (as I do) that limits magazines to 10 rounds, there is no compromise compared with 9mm.

Why not get a .45 that holds ten rounds?

I thought the .40 was a result of the FBI looking for something comparable to the 10mm but easier to shoot.
I didn't think it has anything to do with filling the gap between the 9mm and the 45ACP.

I don't wanna hijack this thread or cause an argument but I am one of those people who don't see a need for it.
We can agree to disagree on that. :D

hags
September 12, 2008, 02:16 PM
Since fights can be unpredictable, I don't really know how many rounds are enough.

Hopefully none.


Ask yourself this, if you had just one round in your weapon, which of the three choices would you want it to be?

SSN Vet
September 12, 2008, 02:37 PM
I shoot my .357 mag. revolver very well ... better than any other handgun I've owned (1911 & carry 9)

and it has tons of power to spare.

simple as simple can be.... point gun - pull trigger.

when time is on my side.... thumb cock the hammer and shoot single action w/ a very nice trigger.

chupacabrah
September 12, 2008, 02:39 PM
i voted .45, but I have 9mm (non +p).

12 gauge is preferable.

Blue .45
September 12, 2008, 07:05 PM
Quote:
Since fights can be unpredictable, I don't really know how many rounds are enough.

Hopefully none.


Ask yourself this, if you had just one round in your weapon, which of the three choices would you want it to be?

If I have only one shot from a handgun to stop a fight, I suppose I will need rely on hope. Personally, I don't think there is enough of a difference in effectiveness, between the calibers mentioned, to make a real difference. I'm not going to sit here and try to convince you that one round is the "best".

As stated earlier, I agree with you that shot placement is probably the most important factor. That being the case, my choice is the gun I shoot most accurately, which for me, is my CZ75 chambered in 9mm, YMMV. However, given a choice, Id rather be holding my shotgun, If I'm in a bad situation.

SubSolar
September 12, 2008, 07:10 PM
Why not get a .45 that holds ten rounds?

I do. :) I pretty much just own .40's and .45's.

Vern Humphrey
September 12, 2008, 07:16 PM
If I have only one shot from a handgun to stop a fight, I suppose I will need rely on hope.
That's an interesting concept -- because we actually rely on one shot from a handgun to stop a fight. My experience (based on combat, not self-defense) is that you will experiennce a 90% degradation in skill when the chips are down.


The statistics seem to bear that out -- most winners of gunfights get only one hit.

Blue .45
September 12, 2008, 07:58 PM
That's an interesting concept -- because we actually rely on one shot from a handgun to stop a fight. My experience (based on combat, not self-defense)

Doesn't the military use a rifle as their primary weapon? In any case, I've said more than once in this thread, accuracy is probably the most important factor in stopping an attack. Furthermore, I'm no expert, nor do I claim to be. I certainly don't know which handgun round is the best. I'm just not confident enough in my skill as a shooter, to keep only one round loaded in my handgun, or shotgun for that matter.

I'm going to leave this thread to you guys for now. However, I will check back later to find out which handgun round is actually the best. :D

Vern Humphrey
September 12, 2008, 08:09 PM
Doesn't the military use a rifle as their primary weapon?
On my first tour in Viet Nam, I was issued an M2 Carbine. Fortunately, I brought over my Colt M357 and used it on two occasions.

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