Browning BAR Grouping Problems


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Olympus
September 10, 2008, 10:44 AM
I've got a Browning BAR Safari in .25-06 and I'm having problems getting it to group very tight. I'm probably not a great sniper, but I can shoot pretty decent groups. I know it's not anything that I'm doing. I bag it up real tight on the bench and can put the hairs right on the center and it won't move hardly any. But for some reason it just won't group very tight. Probably 1 to 2 inches between shots. I'm shooting Winchester Supreme 115 grain Silvertips. I can't figure out what it is. I just bought this rifle and it's had 3 boxes of shells through it. It just too pretty of a rifle to not shoot well. Can anyone give me some advice or think of what the problem might be?

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TexasRifleman
September 10, 2008, 10:45 AM
Do you have the BOSS weight system on it?

I have a .30-06 with the BOSS and it can cause this kind of thing if it's not adjusted right.

Olympus
September 10, 2008, 10:59 AM
No...no BOSS on it.

TexasRifleman
September 10, 2008, 11:14 AM
My advice would be first to simply try another ammo and see if it changes.

The BAR is maybe a 1MOA at best gun anyway, I don't usually see much better than 1 inch groups so if you're getting close to that you are probably close to the limits of what it can do.

I've been able to play with handloads and the BOSS barrel weight and get mine pretty much to 1 inch groups all day, but never been able to do better than that.


But, smacking deer at 150 yards is about all I ever ask of it anyway so 1MOA is plenty for me.

ClayinAR
September 11, 2008, 08:00 AM
I had one for awhile, it wouldn't group either.
I took it apart to clean it and it looked just like a REm 742 inside.
Tried many different loads. No joy.
Dumped it.

Olympus
October 5, 2008, 10:54 PM
Well I've been stewing over this problem for a while and was too mad to mess with it. It's a freaking brand new gun practically. I've shot probably 100 rounds through it and it hasn't grouped since day one. I've probably put another 200 rounds through it since and it's not getting any better. I just chocked it up to me either flinching (not likely) or just the fact that I haven't taken my time when shooting it and got rushed.

So I went to the range today to make sure my A-Bolt deer rifle was still zeroed and decided to take the BAR so I could bare down and really focus on getting the tighest groups possible. Shot the A-Bolt .270 first and it needed only minor adjusting but I got tight groups out of it. So I switched to the BAR and at 50 yards it was decided. Got it to group about the size of my balled up fist. Moved it out to a 100 and I could barely keep it inside the size of a paper plate. I tried all the breathing excerises and focused as much as possible to get the tighest groups. It shoots all over the place. It's not like I can get it to group just not in the X, it's totally sporatic.

So I've decided to either sell it or trade it. It's absolutely a beautiful gun and I hate it, but there's no reason to keep a gun that won't shoot.

I'm taking it to a gun show in November before deer season to see about trading it. Give me some advice on what I should trade it in for. I like the .25-06 caliber like it is, but I'm open to other suggestions as well. But mainly I'd like to stick with a bolt action and would like get a higher end rifle. No Savages, Marlins, Stevens, or anything like that. I would like to find something that not a lot of people have, whether it be caliber or rifle. Let me know what you think.

Bambob
October 5, 2008, 10:59 PM
If I were you I'd talk to Browning. I have heard that sometimes they will have you send the rifle back to them and they will make it right. Sometimes they have to be recrowned. Give them a shot at it.

Bob

kfranz
October 6, 2008, 12:06 AM
Call Browning. If my significantly tattered memory serves me correctly, the BOSS system came about as an attempt to do what Browning gunsmiths used to do when a rifle came back due to poor accuracy, which is to say they cut the barrel down and recrowned, which they did to tune the harmonics and make it more accurate. But I could be remembering something completely different....:uhoh:

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