Why a Glock 22 over a Glock 17?


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GunLvrNLearner
September 10, 2008, 08:44 PM
A lot of law enforcement at least in my area issue the Glock 22,my question why ever a 40 caliber over a 9mm...my understanding 9mm is more accurate and with 9 you usually in standard magazines have 2 extra rounds,the ammo is a little cheaper,and isn't 9mm +P ammo almost on par with 40...i think it must be a mindset because i just cant grasp why 40 over 9mm for all the reasons i stated,i can understand reasoning for 45 over 9 but not 40

What are your thoughts?

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FMJMIKE
September 10, 2008, 09:18 PM
I personally hate the muzzle flip of a 40 S&W. I think the "Bigger is Better" syndrome has something to do with the choice of the 40 S&W round over the 9mm.

357wheelgunner
September 10, 2008, 09:26 PM
Practice makes perfect.

9mm is cheaper, more practice for less money. 9mm wins.

RyanM
September 10, 2008, 09:31 PM
.40 is quite a lot bette than 9mm +P. Energy isn't the only thing involved. .40 is wider, and allows you to use a heavier bullet.

chriso
September 10, 2008, 09:43 PM
yeah yeah whatever. Glock 17 any day over the Glock 22 the only reason id get a glock 22 is to just simply have one and id probably put a 9mm barrel in that!!!
40 SW is a nasty little round to snappy for me id rather shoot a 45 than a 40 any days, That being said id rather shoot a 9mm than both of them!!!

ugaarguy
September 10, 2008, 09:54 PM
1986 FBI Miami shootout, FBI switched to 10mm in the aftermath, 10mm proved too hot for most agents to handle, switched to downloaded 10mm, S&W developed 40 S&W to take advantage of smaller frame guns since full 10mm case capacity was no longer needed with the downloaded rounds. Glock beat S&W to market with 40 S&W chambered guns. FBI adopted Glock 22 & 23. Glock offered State & Local LE prices on new pistols and trade crdits on old ones they'd have to be crazy to walk away from. State guys went with 40 S&W like FBI did, local guys went with 40 S&W like their state guys did. Guns worked great, officers got used to shooting .40 S&W, and the Glock 22/23/27 became as entrenched as LE sidearms as the S&W K Frames in .38 Spl. & .357 Mag. did before them.

Excuse the horrible grammar and punctuation in the quick run down above.

wideym
September 10, 2008, 09:59 PM
I like the G22, the .40cal round is great, but I also have a Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel. Since you can't use a .40cal conversion barrel in a 9mm frame, I'll go for the .40 with a 9mm conversion barrel. Having conversion barrels gives me options of caliber without the expence of buying another pistol.

Armueller2001
September 10, 2008, 10:18 PM
Cheaper rounds = more practice time, more stockpiled rounds
Less muzzle flip = quicker follow-up shots

I'd rather have 4 - .354 caliber holes than 2 - .40 caliber holes any day.

Also, higher capacity magazines and the fact that 9mm is a NATO round...

j1979
September 10, 2008, 10:52 PM
I have both a 9mm and a .40. I enjoy shooting both. I dont think the muzzle flip is all that much with the .40, I dont really get what all the bashing is about all of the time, thats just me though.

The Lone Haranguer
September 11, 2008, 12:14 AM
Police sometimes have need to shoot through intervening barriers, at longer ranges or at oblique angles (or any or all of those), where the slight edge of the heavier load can be an advantage. For the rest of us armed citizens, the attacker is likely to be close and facing you squarely. I think the 9mm (with a good JHP bullet) is adequate for such scenarios.

Practice makes perfect.

9mm is cheaper, more practice for less money. 9mm wins.

Cheaper rounds = more practice time, more stockpiled rounds
Less muzzle flip = quicker follow-up shots


Agreed. Also, I personally dislike shooting the .40 - especially in little guns - due to its "snap" recoil. I actually like the .45 Auto's "push/roll" recoil better.

glockman19
September 11, 2008, 12:22 AM
chriso, yeah yeah whatever. Glock 17 any day over the Glock 22 the only reason id get a glock 22 is to just simply have one and id probably put a 9mm barrel in that!!!
40 SW is a nasty little round to snappy for me id rather shoot a 45 than a 40 any days, That being said id rather shoot a 9mm than both of them!!!

WOW!!! took the words right out of my mouth.

Ben86
September 11, 2008, 03:29 AM
Find out if you like the 9mm or the .40 more. Both are effective calibers.

I like the 9mm over the .40 because to me the .40 offers little advantage over the 9mm and I find the .40 to be very snappy. I shoot 9mm better. Oh and 9mm is a lot cheaper. .40 is about tied with .45 on cost these days.

But I don't understand why people list the 9mm being a nato round as a plus. What is the advantage to that? Most of them are just a bunch of Euro-socialist bags of hot air. Why would I care what pistol round they want to use?

DWARREN123
September 11, 2008, 07:05 AM
I like the 40 S&W round. I do not find the recoil to be too much. Faster than a 45 ACP and bigger than a 9mm.:D

mb419
September 11, 2008, 12:24 PM
Go for the 22. If you need to, you can always add a 9mm conversion barrel to shoot that caliber. You can also throw on a .357 Sig barrel and get still another caliber. I don't understand this issue with muzzle flip that other posters are having though. If a .40 is too much, maybe they should just stick with a .22.

CountGlockula
September 11, 2008, 01:30 PM
I'm VERY accurate with a .40S&W Glock and having trained on it, the G17 seems like a .22.

Anyways, most cops want to put down the bad guy with a .40S&W hole rather than a 9mm hole.

greyling22
September 11, 2008, 02:30 PM
I'd get a 22 from cdnn for cheap, then use the leftover cash to get a 9mm barrel and/or a 357 sig barrel. 3 guns in 1. and then prolly only use the 9mm barrel.

easyg
September 11, 2008, 02:31 PM
It's like this....

For many years the .45ACP was practically "the standard" as an effective self-defense autoloader caliber.
The big heavy .45 slug has a very good (and well deserved) reputation for putting humans down rather quickly and with minimum hits.
The only problem was MAGAZINE CAPACITY.
To increase the magazine capacity you had to make the gun bigger....bigger than most folks could comfortably handle.
On the other hand, the 9mm offered plenty of magazine capacity....but only adequate effectiveness.
And while modern 9mm ammo has made the 9mm even more effective, it's still doesn't inspire the confidence of the .45ACP.


Enter the .40S&W....the most perfect compromise invented thus far.
The .40 offers the effectiveness of the .45ACP combined with the magazine capacity of most 9mm handguns, all in a handgun that's not too large for most folk's hands.

I love the .45ACP, but I also love as many bullets in the magazine as possible.
Unfortunately, I have medium sized hands.
It's practically impossible to get the magazine capacity that I want, in .45 caliber, in a handgun that is comfortable for me to hold and control.
So I chose the best compromise around....the .40S&W.



So why not the 9mm?

Because the .40 is bigger and heavier.
And in the relatively short amount of time it's been around, it has developed a good street reputation as an effective self-defense caliber....better than the 9mm's reputation from most accounts that I've heard.


There are a few advantages the 9mm has over the .40, but they're not really crucial factors in my opinion....

The 9mm is cheaper.
But the cost difference is not that big, and you'll have to pay for some premium 9mm ammo just to equal the performance of your average .40 ammo.

The 9mm is slightly faster for follow-up shots.
But the difference is not very significant for most folks.
Not to mention that you might only get off one shot before you experience a malfunction....in my opinion it's better that one shot be a .40 or a .45 rather than a 9mm.

The 9mm does offer a slightly higher magazine capacity.
But only by a couple of bullets.
It's a personal decision of course, but I prefer fifteen .40 rounds over seventeen 9mm rounds.
After shooting the 9mm for many many years, I'm just not that confident in its ability to quickly stop a human.


As for the recoil-snappy-muzzle-flip argument....

Yeah, the .40 kicks alittle more, but I think that alot of folks here greatly exaggerate the recoil/muzzle-flip.
My tiny wife, with her tiny hands, has no problem putting lead on target when shooting my Glock 22.
Neither does my mother, and she's 69 years old.
It's a fact that plenty of small stature cops (both male and female) qualify just fine with the .40 every year all across the nation.
It's just not the uncontrollable beast that some folks make it out to be.

subierex
September 11, 2008, 08:29 PM
Bought a G22 not too long after they came out. Always regretted not getting the G17 instead. At the time, .40SW ammo was a lot more $$$. I've found that I like 9mm better.

Sold the gun 8 years ago and still don't have a Glock in the collection.

chriso
September 11, 2008, 09:17 PM
Its not about being able to handle the 40. cal mb419 its just unpleasant to shoot because its "snappy" like your little comments. 9mm is much smoother and allows for better target transitions, 40.cal in lighter smaller handguns tends to have more of a snap "muzzle flip" than a solid recoil due to the high pressure of the round. For what little of advantage it offers over a 9mm id rather train more with my 9mm with my extra ammunition due to lower cost and have a better chance to land more rounds on my target with my 9mm compared to your 40. When it comes to autos for defense pistols its either 9mm or 45 for me.

Loomis
September 11, 2008, 09:31 PM
Ben86,

NATO rounds have an attraction because you know those calibers are not going anywhere. Non military calibers fade in and out like fashion trends. Their prices are less stable, and availability fluctuates. If cops decide to start using the 10mm instead of the 40, your 40cal ammo options are going to dry up real fast. 9mm is here to stay. Also, in the case of a complete breakdown of law and order, you could conceivably raid a national guard ammo stash to replentish your supply. If you only carry 40cal pistols and 22-250 or 30-30 rifles, you are SOL.

kcshooter
September 11, 2008, 09:34 PM
It's just not the uncontrollable beast that some folks make it out to be.I don't remember seeing anyone say that. It is snappier and not nearly as pleasant to shoot as 9mm or .45. With nothing more to offer beyond that, I steer clear of the .40 "small and weak".

Enter the .40S&W....the most perfect compromise invented thus farOr the most useless one, depending on your opinion.

mb419
September 11, 2008, 10:50 PM
Hey chriso

Didn't realize my "little" comments were "snappy". I don't mean to offend you 9mm shooters. Heck, my wife and my sister both shoot 9mm, after a long afternoon of shooting .40 and .357 Sig. I'll let you get back to working out to build up the limp wrists to help control the unpleasant recoil of the .40.

By the way, all of my rounds from my .40 always hit the target.

kcshooter
September 11, 2008, 11:15 PM
I'll let you get back to working out to build up the limp wrists to help control the unpleasant recoil of the .40.Way to make friends, buddy.

trigger45
September 11, 2008, 11:23 PM
hi. i like both rounds. but i can go through 200 rnds of 9mm and want more. when shooting my current glock 23 it wheirs me out. so i shoot 5 rnds at a time, and take a break. getting used to it. i have 600+ in 3 months. its a poilce trade in with nite sites. not 1 jam. get tired of the little comments 9mm is not enough bla bla bla and the classic you got a .40 should have got a .45. i would have gotten a 9mm but the gun shop only had in used glocks the g22 and g23, so i got the g23. I'm happy with it. its a very accurate defense gun and that is all it is to me. if i want less recoil ill shoot my .357 or my 2 .45s.

sigma 40ve
September 11, 2008, 11:24 PM
FWIW, I have a G22. Plus a G34, G17, G19, G26 and G29. I would take my 2nd gen G22 over any of my other Glocks. Had thousands of rds thru it without issues and is IMO more accurate with anything I have put thru it.

chriso
September 11, 2008, 11:40 PM
ehhh whatever not even worth it. I have earned my respect and don't mind someone who's not worth it making comments. haha Like i said if i want a bigger caliber i'll go to my 45 or 357 mag.

j1979
September 11, 2008, 11:53 PM
Why are there these stupid 9mm vs .40 threads everyday. If one wants to know the difference go rent both and shoot them and make your decision. If you feel the .40 is too snappy, dont buy one...enough said

easyg
September 12, 2008, 12:17 AM
Quote:
It's just not the uncontrollable beast that some folks make it out to be.

I don't remember seeing anyone say that.
Don't read everything so literally.
Obviously no one actually stated the words "uncontrollable beast"....but it's obvious from some of the remarks that some folks would like to give the impression that the .40 is harsh in recoil, which it's not.

It is snappier and not nearly as pleasant to shoot as 9mm or .45. With nothing more to offer beyond that, I steer clear of the .40 "small and weak".
I find the G22 just as "pleasant" and fun to shoot as the G17....there's just not that big of a difference in felt recoil....especially if you're shooting some hot 9mm+P ammo from the G17.

Quote:
Enter the .40S&W....the most perfect compromise invented thus far

Or the most useless one, depending on your opinion.
Now be serious.....anyone who thinks the .40 is "useless" is just crazy.

EdLaver
September 12, 2008, 12:36 AM
Practice makes perfect and if you spend the range time with the Glock 22 you will be just as accurate with a more potent round.

Stephen A. Camp
September 12, 2008, 01:16 AM
Sadly though predictable, what is essentially another caliber debate goes to the usual lock due to the usual reason: Rude comments dragging the thread below THR standards and putting the smart aleck comments' author in real jeopardy of being banned.

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