Can anyone tell me who made this Remington?


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rommer25
September 11, 2008, 10:39 PM
I got this remington on line (auction). I bid for it on impulse. The discription said it was nickel. I put a magnet to the frame (with the insides taken out) and it is magnetic. I found a makers mark under the loading lever but could not find a reference to it. Can anyone help me. I thought nickel remingtons were made of brass. I do not know enough about metal to know if it is a brass frame or not. I took it apart and everything looks like the barrel. Any help would be appreciated.

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HisSoldier
September 11, 2008, 10:56 PM
A magnet will stick very well to some stainless's that are high in chromium and low in nickle. My 416 Stainless triggers for Colt .380's are very magnetic. 440, 416, 17-4 PH, off the top of my head I know they attract a magnet. Most modern stainless firearms are made of either 416 or 17-4 PH I believe.

So, it could be stainless. If it's plated I would think you could find out by disassembling it and looking into hidden crannies.

rommer25
September 12, 2008, 12:12 AM
The insides are either stainless or plated too. They have machine marking on them like they were not finished. The weapond has been fired but is very clean and tight: like new. It may have only been fired one or two rounds in each cylinder. Can anyone tell me who made the pistol?

Smokin_Gun
September 12, 2008, 02:29 AM
That's not a marking of an mfg. I have seen...if it has a larger type grip and it's sorta highly polished it may be a Stainless Steel Pietta, a Medium grip would be a Uberti, thinner grip a Euroarms...all three could have been Highly Polished. I can tell you that the Euroarms Frame, Grip, and Barrel are magnetic...the Cylinder and loading lever are not.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/06-09-08_1140.jpg

rommer25
September 12, 2008, 02:41 AM
The grip not as fat as my 1858 pietta. It points better too.

rusty from italy
September 12, 2008, 02:49 AM
If i can read well, the label say "FAP" in that case it'a a "Fabbrica Armi Pietta" or translate "Pietta gun makers"
ciao
Rusty

Smokin_Gun
September 12, 2008, 03:03 AM
The grip not as fat as my 1858 pietta. It points better too.

Unless it's ASM Armi San Marcos I can't tell. Piettas's <FAP> is on the other side of the barrel, Uberti starts with Black Powder Only .44 cal., Euroarms says .44 cal Black Powder Only. My ASP Armi San Paolo is Defarbed so I can't tell you, looks like it could be ASP(Now Euroarms). Beauty of a Rem you got.

Hiya Rusty, where and How'd you see <FAP>?

SG

sundance44s
September 12, 2008, 06:59 AM
rommer25 try this site ..it will tell you what to look for as far as maker and year made ..https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/PDF/POWDER/MBPProofmarks.pdf

mykeal
September 12, 2008, 07:34 AM
Rusty's right, it's a Pietta. FAP in a diamond shape.

Smokin_Gun
September 12, 2008, 06:08 PM
Unless I'm blind that is not a diamond under the barrel. It's something like an E with an R in it and zz scratched over it. <FAP> is not located under the barrel of any Pietta i have ever seen...and the other full photo of the Rev the <FAP> would be on the other sideor right side. Not a Pietta.
If there is a serial number on it do what Sundance told you that is your best means of knowing.

SG

scrat
September 12, 2008, 06:49 PM
i was thinking pietta too. But someone would have had to modify the emblem as they usually have <FAP>. I emailed Bill at Black Powder Magazine. Lets see if he can come up with who made it.

mykeal
September 12, 2008, 08:50 PM
Does this help?
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/fap.jpg
This is the mark on my Pietta 1860 Army for comparison:
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/Colt%201860%20Army/fap2.jpg

scrat
September 12, 2008, 08:57 PM
how did you do that


Forget it.

its pietta.


:scrutiny:

mykeal
September 12, 2008, 09:12 PM
Right click on the photo and then copy.
Pasted into a new image in an image processing program.
Rotated 90 degrees right, zoom in, crop, enhance the focus with an edge finding algorithm and upload to photobucket.
Piece of cake.

rommer25
September 12, 2008, 09:56 PM
Thanks very much. I took my old Remington 1858, bought back around
'98 (that sounds weird). The cylinders are interchangable. I was fooled because the grips of the old one are a lot wider and bigger than the perviously unidentified one. The new one points much better and is heavier.

scrat
September 12, 2008, 10:11 PM
Rommer Welcome to THR. What part of So Cal are you from. Im in Monrovia, usually shoot at angeles ranges

rommer25
September 12, 2008, 11:49 PM
I usually shoot black powder in the desert. The ranges around here that are outdoors are almost as far and the local ranges are mostly indoors. They do not welcome black powder. I have been shooting black powder since the 80's. Like Smoking Gun, I only shoot Black Powder. I've never tried the substitutes. Here in San Diego County, I have found only one store that carries Black Powder these days. They will only sell you one pound at a time.

scrat
September 13, 2008, 12:09 AM
Hmmm lot of guys on Cal Guns down in So Cal. i have several gun shops around me. i always buy one lbs when i go to the range. Then i buy one from each of the gun shops. I havent had any problem getting powder. Then as long as you can get potasium nitrate, sulfur and willow charcoal and i aint saying anything else on that subject.

Smokin_Gun
September 13, 2008, 06:40 AM
Rusty good call on the Pietta...no fair you were closer to the FAP factory than me.;)

Mykeal xlint job on that pic ... will have find out your softwear program, I may have it here and don't know it ...

Unless I'm blind that is not a diamond under the barrel

As "you" can see I may be less than blind but could not see the <FAP> in that pic till you blew it up and compared it...
You did that before you replied that it was Pietta din't you?:evil:
I woulda too.

SG

Clermont
September 13, 2008, 06:54 AM
Aside from the FAP and serial number, were there any Italian proof marks? If not, most likely the Remington was assembled from a kit.

mykeal
September 13, 2008, 07:19 AM
will have find out your softwear program, I may have it here and don't know it ...
You don't have it; it's a proprietary program I used back in the day when I worked for a living. I didn't program it - I got it from a friend at work. However, many of the photo image processing programs available commercially have the tools to do the same thing now.

could not see the <FAP> in that pic till you blew it up and compared it...You did that before you replied that it was Pietta din't you?

I ain't tellin'.:neener:

BPR
September 13, 2008, 08:46 PM
I think it is a Pietta. The FAP inside a Diamond is their trademark. The attached picture are from a Pietta Starr I just got and include the markers mark on the revolver and on the orginal box

Smokin_Gun
September 14, 2008, 04:53 AM
Thanks on both questions Mykeal...I believe you need not tell me the second one's answer... :rolleyes:


SG

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