When will gun/ammo prices go down?


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Dynasty
September 12, 2008, 04:21 PM
I keep hearing how, back in the day, gun/ammo prices were never an issue like they are today. When will they go down again? I know many factors come into play, but will the prices ever come down?

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BryanP
September 12, 2008, 04:21 PM
Not happening.

HGUNHNTR
September 12, 2008, 04:26 PM
Why would prices of "luxury goods" go down if we continue to buy them.

If you have been charting ammo prices for a number of years, it would surely open your eyes.
These commoditie's prices can be somewhat accurately forecasted by looking at: 1. the market trend 2. spec. traders interest in the raw materials used. 3. commercial traders int in these raw materials. 4. Price probability of these raw materials. 5. seasonal index, and finally 6. volatility

1 old 0311
September 12, 2008, 04:27 PM
In the late 80's I bought a milled, folding stock, Chinese AK for $400. I also bought a case of 1200 rounds of 7.62x39 ammo for $99. Those days are LONG gone.

raz-0
September 12, 2008, 04:28 PM
The price of firearms is likely to not come down. Something like the glock is in the neighborhood of $80. The markup along the way is due to everyone getting paid while getting it from point A to point B, and leaving margin for warranty repairs, advertising, lawsuits, and the like. Most of those costs aren't going to decrease.


Ammo on the other hand has had a meterials cost runup, and heavy supply and demand issues. Although companies are unlikely to willingly crank down prices when they see what we are willing to pay, there is still profit motive for someone to reduce margin and increase volume for a net profit increase. If we ever drop significantly below the 100%+ capacity mark for manufacturing again (say ending the war and restocking supplies comes to completion), then someone will likely blink first and start a correction. The question is if we willnotice given inflation.

ctdonath
September 12, 2008, 04:41 PM
The issue is not that prices of products are going up, it's that the value of the dollar is going down.

Realbigo
September 12, 2008, 04:46 PM
truth be told, i think they won't go down. And if they do, it won't be by much. there are lots of factors including the weak dollar, the war(s), and of course our fdriendly poloticians and their tax increases on EVERYHING!!!!

guntotinguy
September 12, 2008, 04:49 PM
I agree with the above statement of ...'not happening'.In fact,as it seems we can (possibly) expect a larger increase due to 'just about everything' thats happening in todays society.

rcmodel
September 12, 2008, 04:50 PM
And China & other developing countries using up all the raw materials in the world faster then they can be dug up & melted down into copper & brass & lead.

What we got now will be the "good old days" everyone talks about in a few short years.

rcmodel

SCKimberFan
September 12, 2008, 04:53 PM
Something like the glock is in the neighborhood of $80. The markup along the way is due to everyone getting paid while getting it from point A to point B, and leaving margin for warranty repairs, advertising, lawsuits, and the like.

A post of this nature always appears during a thread on prices. While that may be the material cost of the firearm, you are not taking into consideration the salaries of the employess, as well as health care cost and other benefits. Then there is overhead, the cost of maintenance of their facilities and the cost of the facilities themselves. Then you pay the shipper, the wholesaler, the retail store. Then you have the margin for warranty, advertising, etc. So the cost of that so-called $80 Glock is probably much closer to $350. All of these are a part of the manufacturing and selling of the product.

BigBlock
September 12, 2008, 04:54 PM
The issue is not that prices of products are going up, it's that the value of the dollar is going down.
If you'd actually check, you'd see the dollar is going UP and has been for a little while.

As for guns/ammo...no. They're never coming down. That's why guns are usually good investments...you can usually sell them for what you paid or more, 5 or 10 years later.

Prince Yamato
September 12, 2008, 04:58 PM
The cheapest ammo that can be had is currently the Eastern European brands, so buy from them. In fact, S&B often makes ammo for Winchester, so cut the middle-man and just buy directly from the Czechs.

doc2rn
September 12, 2008, 05:33 PM
The problem with ammo right now is lead did come down, but the companies bought in at higher prices and they dont want to take a loss.

Shipping is another problem, ammo is heavy! Diesel is expensive therefore you pay more.

Then there is supply and demand.

doubleh
September 12, 2008, 05:59 PM
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen.LOL Gun and ammo prices have always seemed high to me as long as I've been shooting. As my pay scale went up so did gun and ammo prices. Now that I've retired and my pay scale is going the other way it's really getting expensive.

OOOXOOO
September 12, 2008, 06:02 PM
When is the last time bread or milk went down? Chances are never

Chipperman
September 12, 2008, 06:04 PM
When will gun/ammo prices go down?

When I am elected President, I will put in a Firearm and Ammunition Subsidy.
Remember me on election day. :D

tpaw
September 12, 2008, 06:09 PM
When will gun/ammo prices go down?

Probably won't. :(

mikitsubizunizu
September 12, 2008, 06:17 PM
Supply and demand, for ammo anyway, especially obscure or rare ammo. Nothing like selling a Dardick Tround for $50 a pop (I think) if you can find it. Now if someone had a warehouse full of .45 acp from 30 years ago that was in good shape, and they flooded the market with it, I would say ammo price for .45 would only go down a few dollars per 50. Even so, a few dollars can go a long way. Maybe another company will start making it, .45 acp for what 9mm goes for would be a dream come true. ;)

jnyork
September 12, 2008, 06:40 PM
When pigs fly!!:(

LKB3rd
September 12, 2008, 06:42 PM
They will do down when our government and banks stop spending money into existence like drunken sailors, causing inflation... aka never.

kentucky_Dave
September 12, 2008, 06:45 PM
ctdonath: The issue is not that prices of products are going up; it's that the value of the dollar is going down.

That's the root of it.
They will not reduce the prices as the dollar goes back up because their profit margins will increase at that time.
The only way to counter that bottom line mindset is to not consume what they offer, forcing them to lower the prices to make their product attractive / competitive.
That's a tough one right there...we're shooters after all.

The only way it will go down is when we have a strong dollar and a surplus (that won't happen when):

we are at war [using ammo],
we are being the police of the world [using ammo],
we are using all the ammo to expand our empire
we are pumping all our money into a foreign economy because we devolved into a consumer nation

The list can be expanded, but shouldn't be expanded on this forum.

A surprising glimpse into the future: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7611287.stm

We need a surplus (lower demand).

Materials is another issue we should consider too.
The more crap we buy from china, the more materials they will require from us...to sell back to us...:scrutiny:

Maybe it is just me, but isn't there usually a rush near an election cycle?
ebb and flow...:rolleyes:

The dollar is being artificially shored right now.
Sure, it is up a little from it's ALL TIME LOW...
It is a shell game that has the potential for bad outcomes if they do not stop playing games.

JohnBT
September 12, 2008, 06:47 PM
Ammo prices are still down, compared to 30 or 40 years ago. The last 10 years or so were an aberration - a departure from the normal.

Heck, for what you get guns are still relatively inexpensive compared to way back when.

John

Matt304
September 12, 2008, 06:49 PM
When you begin producing them yourself. :D

MinnMooney
September 12, 2008, 06:52 PM
When the people of the world stop producing so many friggin' little people who grow up to be consumers of non-self-sustaining metals and goods!

DoubleTapDrew
September 12, 2008, 06:52 PM
When I am elected President, I will put in a Firearm and Ammunition Subsidy.
Remember me on election day.
That would be a much better use of our tax dollars than the new outfits and more equpiment they just gave the TSA. Chipperman 2012!
Beyond the current supply/demand/dollar factors I think two things that would help is getting more domestic production companies starting up (competition can drop prices) and/or loosening import restrictions so we can easily get overseas ammo/firearms imported.

Gordon Fink
September 12, 2008, 07:01 PM
I keep hearing how, back in the day, gun/ammo prices were never an issue like they are today. When will they go down again? I know many factors come into play, but will the prices ever come down?

When demand goes down.

~G. Fink

subierex
September 12, 2008, 07:47 PM
If certain folks make it to the White House, I think you kiss lower ammo/gun prices goodbye. Especially AK/AR's.

22-rimfire
September 12, 2008, 08:29 PM
The prices are here to stay. Get used to it and adjust. Today's high price will be tomorrow's low price. Buy no matter the price when you have the need. Of course, you still need to do your shopping and price comparisons.

macadore
September 12, 2008, 11:13 PM
Military surplus is quite cheap right now. I remember when an AK cost $800.

vtoddball
September 13, 2008, 09:24 AM
When pigs fly!!

Hey! A new thread! What kind of gun for flying pigs?

:D

Omaha-BeenGlockin
September 13, 2008, 09:30 AM
Does that pig have lipstick??

texas bulldog
September 13, 2008, 11:21 AM
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Average Joe
September 13, 2008, 07:55 PM
When gas prices go down.

airforceteacher
September 13, 2008, 08:42 PM
So, as a new gun owner/shooter, what would you recommend? I'd really not like to to start stockpiling ammo to avoid a huge price increase, as I have kids and having ammo, gun and kids in the same house worries me (and may affect child custody.) I've started looking into reloadinng, and I'm not sure if I can reload 9mm cheaply enough to make it worth the equipment cost. Right now, I can get Blazer FMJ for about $0.19 a round at Wally World, and from just cursory looking it appears that it will cost at least $0.11 per round to reload. Am I looking in the wrong places?

RPCVYemen
September 13, 2008, 09:00 PM
That's why guns are usually good investments...you can usually sell them for what you paid or more, 5 or 10 years later.

Uh, not to be picky, but that makes them a really, really bad investment. If I bought a stock, and sold it 10 years later for what I bought it for, I would smack myself on the back of the head and say, "Bad puppy!"

My goal is 7% annual returns - which means that the price should double in 10 years. That's the average annual return of the market over long periods of time.

If you buy and sell for the same price, you are not even matching inflation.

Mike

orionengnr
September 13, 2008, 09:22 PM
If you'd actually check, you'd see the dollar is going UP and has been for a little while.

Apr 1 2008
The euro continues a steep climb vs. the U.S. dollar. It is now at an all-time high of nearly $1.60 per euro as of spring 2008. The past year has seen it continue to escalate, rising from a much lower $1.33 per euro during that time.

Um, yeah, for the last two or three weeks. :rolleyes: Check the last five years, and it's an entirely different story.

The Euro was once worth $1.00 US...those days are gone. $1.60 exchange rate as of Spring 2008...the fact that we are inching back in the right direction is great, but not nearly enough...

Matt304
September 13, 2008, 11:45 PM
Uh, not to be picky, but that makes them a really, really bad investment. If I bought a stock, and sold it 10 years later for what I bought it for, I would smack myself on the back of the head and say, "Bad puppy!"

My goal is 7% annual returns - which means that the price should double in 10 years. That's the average annual return of the market over long periods of time.

If you buy and sell for the same price, you are not even matching inflation.

Mike

I think what he's saying is that it's a good darn investment as a hobby toy, not a financial investment. Try buying a motocross bike and see what the return is on it a year later. That makes acquiring more guns a far better investment than more motocross bikes, for me.

DoubleTapDrew
September 13, 2008, 11:59 PM
I think of ammo as consumables. All I'd get from my investment is brass, unless I'm shooting wolf.
Short of China imploding they'll stay high for a while. It's neat they aren't a 3rd world country anymore and all, but they've become a great big Hoover vacuum when it comes to resources.

Zedo
September 14, 2008, 12:26 AM
Box of 50, 22 LR used to run about 65 cents -- and I thought that was expensive.

.458 Win. Mag. Federal "Cape Shok" in 350 gr. runs $119.99 a box of 20.

Pays to reload, but metal prices are driving the cost. Lead, copper, brass -- all in demand for computers and communications.

China and India are not helping matters --

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