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mbpautz762
September 13, 2008, 01:29 AM
...Or at least it feels like I did :cuss:

I bought my first ever shotgun, a Mossberg 590A1, and shot it for the first time yesterday. Stupid me decided to start off by shooting about 50 rounds of 3" magnum buckshot and 3" slugs. Now my shoulder is battered, bruised, and slightly swollen :what:

Since I'm new to shotguns, is this what normally happens when shooting these loads, or am I doing something wrong? This may sound really stupid, but is there a special way to hold a shotgun to reduce bruising? Or should I just limit myself to weaker shells next time? A friend said it shouldn't recoil any more than a Mosin Nagant M44, which I can comfortably shoot all day long. Thanks for putting up with my newb-ness, just wanted to see what you all thought ;)

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bejay
September 13, 2008, 01:38 AM
really is normal should use lighter loads when just target shooting if you are gonna shoot that many rounds.
would say about any 3 inch shotgun shell is likely to have more recoil than a mosin

KC0QGL
September 13, 2008, 01:40 AM
Invest in a recoil pad or use 2 3/4 shells.

scott22
September 13, 2008, 01:41 AM
Nope thats sounds normal. 3" Magnum slug loads definately feel a lot harder hitting than my M44 shooting either Bulg Heavy Ball or Czech light ball.

macadore
September 13, 2008, 01:45 AM
Is this what normally happens when shooting these loads?

Yep. You can get an aftermarket sock that absorbs recoil or get another shotgun like Benilli which comes with a stock that absorbs recoil. However, if you’re shooting for fun rather then hunting or self defense, shoot lighter loads. They’re cheaper and much less abusive.

mbpautz762
September 13, 2008, 01:46 AM
Thanks guys....I was worried I just wasn't shouldering it correctly. I guess my friend is having a nice little laugh over this one....:neener:

19-3Ben
September 13, 2008, 03:17 AM
I actually find the kick to be comparable between the M44's and 3"magnum 12ga.

It's the steel buttplate on the mosin that gets me. Rubber recoil pads (like on my 870) are a good idea. I'm gonna find the gentleman that invented them and by him a drink.

Defensory
September 13, 2008, 03:42 AM
2 3/4" shells are quite sufficient for both target shooting and self-defense, and noticeably easier on your body. If you use the shotgun for those two purposes, there's really no reason to fire 3" magnums. More expensive, more recoil and more aches and pains.

rodregier
September 13, 2008, 04:00 AM
Similar to some of the other contributors, to reduce shotgun recoil I use:

- light 2 3/4" loads
- good recoil pads
- clothing-based recoil shield (made of sorbothane)

when shooting shotgun

A good term to remember is "recoil fatigue".

hatchetbearer
September 13, 2008, 04:39 AM
I'd suggest not getting one of the ultra light "tactical" 6 position stocks too. weighs less and the buttplate on those will just add to the recoil. definitely get some lighter loads for target shooting.

Or just man up and take the pain:p

357wheelgunner
September 13, 2008, 08:56 AM
Keep your solid stock.

You need to take a class to learn how to properly mount, steady, and shoot the shotgun.

Use low recoil buckshot and slug. 3" loads don't gain much, in my opinion, over standard or low recoil loads. The rounds you shot are the reason so many people don't like to shoot shotguns.

Enjoy your shotgun!

Dave McCracken
September 13, 2008, 09:22 AM
2 3/4" loads holding 1 oz or 7/8 oz of shot work very well for targets, birds and familiarization.

Once your form and technique have jelled the 3" stuff will be tolerable.

dagger dog
September 13, 2008, 09:49 AM
That is the facts of life shooting that many rounds of 12 3"magnum ammo.

I have a switch bbl Winchester 12 ga pump, 26" smooth, and 21" rifled, for deer. Man it kicked the living s@#t outta me zeroing the scope with sabot slugs. Was black blue and green for a week. I only shot 15 rounds to get the thing to hit where I wanted.

You must have a sadomasochistic gene in your family history:what:

Friendly, Don't Fire!
September 13, 2008, 09:56 AM
I have an over/under Weatherby Orion 12 gauge that shoots only 2 3/4" (not chambered for 3"). This gun has a single trigger that you pull twice in succession to shoot the upper/lower barrels.

Several years ago, I shot a couple of real low brass at some crows flying over.

It didn't seem too bad at all, so I loaded up two 2 3/4" magnum shells and called more crows in.

A crow flew over and was almost directly overhead. I pointed the gun, pulled the trigger and KABOOM! The gun nearly knocked me on my rear (causing me to almost lose my balance and nearly fall)!:confused:

I opened it and both empty shell casings flew out!:eek:

I thought to myself that this thing just fired both barrels at once, how could that be?:what:

:scrutiny:When thinking more about it and duplicating the way I was leaning way back (almost off-balance already), when I pulled the trigger to shoot the crow, the gun fired, causing it to recoil, and when the gun was moving forward after the initial recoil, the weight of my right hand (and right arm) caused the trigger finger to pull the trigger a second time.

So, basically, the shotgun was just letting up from the first recoil when I inadvertantly fired it the second time! It didn't sound like two big booms, but rather one big boom - the shots were fired NEARLY SIMULTANEOUSLY (ouch)!:(

After that, I realized I don't want to be aiming overhead in an unsteady manner with magnum loads. :uhoh: Also, I need to be certain my trigger hand is tightly holding the stock, so only my trigger finger is working the trigger (and not any weight from my hand/arm).

Both my shoulder and my lower back hurt for several days after that incident (mostly, my lower back from the awkward twisting motion that occurred).

Yes, I did drop the crow that was at treetop level. It landed about 20' from where I was standing.:)

Coreyf983
September 13, 2008, 10:59 AM
Yup just like everyone else said, drop your load size down. I tried shooting geese with 3 1/2 magnums and its just not worth the poor shot that I get anticipating the hurt haha.

green country shooter
September 13, 2008, 12:03 PM
The 590 is a pump, right? There's a shotgun trainer that teaches pushing forward with the support hand when you shoot to lessen recoil.

A recoil pad and lighter loads is also a good answer. You can get loads as light as 7/8 ounce in 12 gauge. Look at the store for anything labeled "light target load." Some makers give a feet per second number, some give you a "dram equivalent" number. Pay attention to these as you buy and shoot and soon you will know what they mean.

sargenv
September 13, 2008, 01:22 PM
One of the better wearable recoil pads I've picked up is made by "Past". It's pretty easy on and off and allows you to wear it under a jacket if need be. The Magnum pad goes up and over your shoulder a bit so that you can use it for shooting Prone.

Magnum shotshells are just that, more powder (slower burning), more shot ususally, but velocity stays about the same, recoil also goes up considerably. 50 rounds of buck and slug is an awful lot. I usually shoot a few and call it quits. In the case of slugs, they are moving anywhere from 1500 fps (2 3/4") to 1650 fps (3") and can weigh from 1 ounce up to 1.25 ounces. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that they hurt on both ends ;)

farscott
September 13, 2008, 02:13 PM
In addition to lighter loads, your shotgun should properly fit you. If you have to stretch too much to reach the trigger or the forend, battering can result. Personally I need a shorter length of pull than most people do, especially when I am wearing a sweater or coat.

Some may not agree, but I have found the Knoxx Specops stock with the adjustable LOP and a recoil absorber a shoulder saver.

mgregg85
September 13, 2008, 02:20 PM
I bought my first ever shotgun, a Mossberg 590A1, and shot it for the first time yesterday. Stupid me decided to start off by shooting about 50 rounds of 3" magnum buckshot and 3" slugs. Now my shoulder is battered, bruised, and slightly swollen

Thats a great way to start actually, everything else will now be much easier. Just don't let yourself develop a flinch because of it. Gotta learn to love that recoil, and remember its much worse on the other end of the gun.

Dollar An Hour
September 13, 2008, 02:24 PM
I started out learning my 870 with 2-3/4" with 7/8 oz birdshot to get the idea. Then moved up to some low-recoil Fiocchi 00 buck and it wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be. I was little sore the next day, but I think Remington's R3 recoil pad is a nice design.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
September 13, 2008, 03:40 PM
This thread reminds me of when I bought my Mossberg 500 with pistol grips. I ended up putting the Pachmayr Vindicator kit in.

Stupid me, I go out first thing with 3" magnums and the gun nearly took my teeth out from the recoil - even though I was holding it real tight!:eek:

After shooting it with a pistol grip for a while, I figured it was completely useless for my needs, so I left the Pachmayr forend grip, which is nice rubber and took the pistol grip off and put on a synthetic Choate Stock like this:
http://www.choatestocks.com/IMG/AdjStock.jpeg
From http://www.choatestocks.com/Shotgun.html

I like it a lot. In the summer, with a T-shirt, I have more spacers. In the winter with heavy clothing, I take the spacers out. They give you various thickness spacers and various length screws to hold the spacers between the stock butt and the recoil pad. The spacers have an indentation, so each fits into one another and into the stock without any slippage.

jackdanson
September 13, 2008, 03:49 PM
I use cheapo walmart target loads when shooting "just for fun" and they shoot a lot lighter than the buckshot does.

FFMedic
September 13, 2008, 05:00 PM
Knoxx is your friend if you like 3" shells. The Spec-Ops stock and Breachers grip are not gimicks at all, they work wonderful!

FFMedic

Mainsail
September 13, 2008, 07:49 PM
I'll add my vote for the Knoxx. My 100# kid shoots full power 2" shells without drama.
http://img.geocaching.com/user/0cc2ad6d-e6b2-4fa7-85fd-8e669f7bc0d6.jpg

Meowhead
September 13, 2008, 08:45 PM
There's a good trick to managing recoil: keep the buttstock an inch or so away from your shoulder when you fire, not actually touching. The distance is so that your gun can absorb some of the recoil impulse before it's transferred to your body.

(don't actually do this)

Rshooter
September 13, 2008, 09:34 PM
I bought my first ever shotgun, a Mossberg 590A1, and shot it for the first time yesterday. Stupid me decided to start off by shooting about 50 rounds of 3" magnum buckshot and 3" slugs. Now my shoulder is battered, bruised, and slightly swollen
:banghead:

This is how we separate the men from the boys. If this was required for all who carried shotguns I think only Marines would be goofy enough to carry them.
:neener:

Semper Fi

ZeSpectre
September 13, 2008, 09:52 PM
It's well known here that I'm a recoil wuss. Too much damage to my shoulder to beat it up any more than necessary. I stick to rifles like the .243 and the .30-30 and nothing much larger (though for some insane reason I just -WANT- a .45-70).

I WILL NOT shoot 3" magnums anymore, ever, PERIOD!

Hell even with higher load 2 3/4 shells I thank God for heavier shotguns and good recoil pads.

Still it probably wouldn't hurt the OP to have someone else examine his technique and see if there is room for improvement.

mgkdrgn
September 13, 2008, 10:29 PM
Invest in a recoil pad or use 2 3/4 shells.

Or both.

Also, make sure you have the stock square and tight to the shoulder. Lean into it.

Make the gun push you, not kick you.

Savage Shooter
September 13, 2008, 11:02 PM
There's a good trick to managing recoil: keep the buttstock an inch or so away from your shoulder when you fire, not actually touching. The distance is so that your gun can absorb some of the recoil impulse before it's transferred to your body.

(don't actually do this)

HAHA I almost missed the bottom I was just getting ready to chew you to pieces for being a moron:D

hatchetbearer
September 13, 2008, 11:34 PM
This is how we separate the men from the boys. If this was required for all who carried shotguns I think only Marines would be goofy enough to carry them.


Semper Fi

you sir are correct.

kcshooter
September 13, 2008, 11:43 PM
There's a good trick to managing recoil: keep the buttstock an inch or so away from your shoulder when you fire, not actually touching. The distance is so that your gun can absorb some of the recoil impulse before it's transferred to your body.

(don't actually do this)
HAHA I almost missed the bottom I was just getting ready to chew you to pieces for being a moronHehehe, me too. I just wanted to catch the OP before he took this advice!


OP
50 rounds of 3" magnum? You were askin for it! If I'm shooting more than about 20 rounds, I'm goin with low-brass sport loads. You can shoot those all day.




Mainsail,
is that a freaking bayonet?? Why, man, why?

scythefwd
September 13, 2008, 11:43 PM
Make sure the stock actually fits you. If it is too short or too long, you could be beating yourself up more than needed. I know I can shoot slugs out of my shotgun (it's only 7.5 lbs) pretty much all day now with only a little redness (at least 10 in a row don't bother me at all and I'm ready for more) but when I first got it and the stock was too long it would put a lasting bruise on me after 5 shots with a heavier barrel (making the shotgun 9.5 lbs).

Friendly, Don't Fire!
September 14, 2008, 08:56 AM
Is the bayonette so you can cut the bird's head off after you shoot it?:scrutiny:

Mainsail
September 14, 2008, 02:56 PM
Is the bayonette so you can cut the bird's head off after you shoot it?
Bird? What the heck would I shoot at a bird for? It's the steak knife, for...well, cutting up my steak.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
September 14, 2008, 03:04 PM
Yeah that's pretty normal for that volume with boomer loads. Anytime you want to remind yourself to appreciate how good "not sore" feels, just go do that again. :)

The bayo is for, if you're holding a home invader at gun point for the police with his hands in the air, if he has an itch and begs you to scratch it for him, you can do so without losing your tactical advantage.

Blofeld
September 14, 2008, 03:05 PM
19-3Ben brings up a point that I hadn't considered.

Who is mean enough to issue a battle rifle to troops with a steel buttplate? I know Russians are tough, but that seems almost cruel and sadistic.

And where can I get a steel buttplate for my shotgun to shoot 3" magnums?:D

scythefwd
September 14, 2008, 03:19 PM
Blofeld,
Pretty much every nation issues a steel butt plate. Heck, even the us does (the M4 has one, the M16 has one, the garand has one, the m14 has one, we've been doing it for a long time). Any country that has accepted that ammo is limited and you might have to use your weapon as a club pretty much has one (butt strokes with a steel butt plate are less damaging to the rifle than say a pure wooden butt and more damaging to the recipient than a rubber pad would be).

john917v
September 14, 2008, 03:22 PM
Bpautz, I learned the value of a good, thick, and preferably vented recoil pad and proper technique here. I was told to push the forend forward, and to pull the grip near the trigger towards you-it basically feels like you are trying to pull the shotgun apart. This way, your arms dampen some of the blow. It has really worked for me.

Youngster
September 14, 2008, 04:48 PM
A little technique and trigger time go a long way, the first time I really wrung out a shotgun out I was in shock and awe, like I'd been in a sustained car accident. However in subsequent outings I quickly got to the point where anything less than magnum buckshot {magnum slugs don't bother me for some reason} was no big deal.

Chihuahua Floyd
September 15, 2008, 08:36 PM
Like several have mentioned, Make sure the gun fits YOU! If you are not one of the ideal, mythical standard size people, something is out of whack. Out of whack hurts.

mbpautz762
September 16, 2008, 12:11 AM
John917 - that's great advice. I never really thought of trying that method, but it sounds like it'll help. thanks!

john917v
September 17, 2008, 09:11 PM
Don't mention it. It made a world of difference for me, and my aim improved.

streakr
September 18, 2008, 05:48 PM
This is a common complaint for many newbies to SD/HD; e.g. buy (expensive) and use the most powerful, highest velocity ammo available.

You see this with reloaders who must have the wildest and fastest rounds out there.

For SD/HD the shotgun is good to 10-12m (30-40') and most 2.75" #2 or 4 shot are more than enough at those ranges inside a building. Magnum buckshot or slugs have significant overpenetration issues with sheet rock/plaster walls and even concrete block.

Be smart and use what's needed for the venue in which you expect to use the firearm.

streakr

Cougfan2
September 18, 2008, 06:03 PM
I started using a PAST recoil shield for shooting heavier recoiling long guns and it makes a world of difference. You can pick one up at most good gun stores for between $25-$30.

Blofeld
September 19, 2008, 01:10 AM
There may be something to be said for at least trying out the ammo he'll be using for HD. Maybe not 50 rounds, but enough to get a feel for it.

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