Reasonable FFL Transfer Fees


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ASG
September 13, 2008, 08:42 AM
Hi Everyone,

What do you all consider to be reasonable for FFL transfer fees? A dealer around here wants $50 to do a transfer and I think that is a bit high. Can anyone tell me how much of a fee goes to the ATF for acquiring a firearm? Thank you.

ASG

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stevekl
September 13, 2008, 08:51 AM
I paid $15 for a recent transfer.

You can find a list ffl transferers in and around your zipcode here:
http://www.gunbroker.com/user/DealerNetwork.asp

I wouldn't pay $50 unless it's the only dealer in town.

And how much of the fee goes to the ATF? that's a good question.

berettaprofessor
September 13, 2008, 08:53 AM
To my knowledge none of the fee goes to the ATF (unless you count whatever portion of your dealer's FFL licensing fee you covered with your purchase). The rest is all for the dealer's time and efforts.

Different people value their time differently and it is a capitalist society.

Shop around.

NonConformist
September 13, 2008, 08:53 AM
They can charge what they want but here everyone wants like $40-$45 dollars and IMO thats ridiculous for the 3 minutes of work that goes into a transfer

I only pat $25 as I am a known customer to my FFL

shovel66
September 13, 2008, 08:57 AM
I live near a Marine base here in Virginia that has a gun department at the PX. Their total fee for transfer from any other FFL is $15. Some of the other local shops are $20 and some others more. Here there are also part-time FFLs that don't have a shop and work out of their house/garage and will do a transfer by appointment only. I've not gone to them, but their fee is also $15-20.

Hope this helps and you find someone more reasonable.
Shovel

spwenger
September 13, 2008, 08:58 AM
...none of the fee that an FFL charges for a firearm transfer specifically goes to BATFE; the licensee pays BATFE a fee for his license and that's it.

In the small town where I live, one dealer charges $20 for a transfer and another charges $40. The one who charges $40 told me that he intentionally charges a high fee to encourage people to buy firearms he already has in stock.

Back in the pre-Clinton days, when kitchen-table FFL's were more common, some charged as high as 10% of the price paid for the firearm but that was considered the upper end of the scale.

chupacabrah
September 13, 2008, 08:59 AM
$25 at my local dealer

CB900F
September 13, 2008, 08:59 AM
ASG;

Personally, I consider any fee to be too high. That's because I consider the legislation that requires transfer between FFL's to be an infringement. Anything that impede's an individual's right to obtain or possess a firearm is an infringement and as such is specifically mentioned as being verboten in the second amendment.

However, dealing with the world we live in, if you can't do a F-T-F, then they appear to be a necessary evil. There are reports of $15.00 transfers, usually by private individuals who are also FFL's. It's possible to obtain a list of all the FFL's in your state. Simply call around to those nearest you & ask what they charge. The private FFL holder will almost always beat the price of a business establishment for the cost of the transfer fee.

You used to be able to get that list from Shotgun News. There may be places you can get it online now, but I don't know of one.

900F

7.5-Swiss
September 13, 2008, 09:09 AM
In the past I've paid $20 - $25 for transfers, I recently found a dealer that will do it for $15, pretty good deal - although he did try to charge me state sales tax on the firearm purchased in another state...I'm not sure how many suckers he gets with that one.

I would say $50 is way too much.

Pilot
September 13, 2008, 09:10 AM
$15 at my local guy. It used to be $10 until recently.

Bubbles
September 13, 2008, 09:15 AM
We charge $5 for a Title I transfer, $25 for a Title II transfer.

mgkdrgn
September 13, 2008, 09:20 AM
They can charge what they want but here everyone wants like $40-$45 dollars and IMO thats ridiculous for the 3 minutes of work that goes into a transfer

If the only thing you were paying for was his time ... but there are also a -lot- of upfront and monthly fixed costs involved in running =any= business. The money to pay those has to come, in part, from every transaction the business makes regardless of how long the transaction takes.

And when -that- is covered, there is this thing at the end called -profit- that allows you to stay in business and do other nice things, like eat.

For those of you that think your FFL charges too much, feel free to go get one yourself. The application fee is only $200, right? How hard can that be? Oh, and don't forget the business premises, gun safe, surety bond, security system, local business licensee & permits, insurance ....

Jaybird78
September 13, 2008, 10:20 AM
A total ripoff, guess that is why I shop around and don't spend all my nickels in one place. :neener:

texas bulldog
September 13, 2008, 10:29 AM
the highest i've paid was $25. lowest was $6. after that, i'd have to be pretty desperate to pay $50.

VARifleman
September 13, 2008, 10:32 AM
They can charge what they want but here everyone wants like $40-$45 dollars and IMO thats ridiculous for the 3 minutes of work that goes into a transfer
It's more than that. They have to log it, and then keep the paperwork in order for the next 20 years.

Around here the standard is 30 bucks.

dogmush
September 13, 2008, 10:33 AM
My guy charges me $30. I like the shop and the folks, and don't begrudge him the money to recieve and do the paperwork for me. $50 might be more then I want to spend.

Speedo66
September 13, 2008, 10:43 AM
Here in metro NYC I've been quoted $50, $75, and one place in the Bronx, Olinville Arms, wanted $100 to transfer a shotgun.

I understand business' must make a profit, but for a transaction that takes less than 5 minutes and involves no investment in stock, I find that repugnant.

Rokyudai
September 13, 2008, 10:48 AM
About $45 and a deal if it's a volume transfer.

proud2deviate
September 13, 2008, 10:51 AM
Best I've had around here was $10. The worst was $35.

Rmart30
September 13, 2008, 02:17 PM
$ 20 here is what I pay.......been quoted as high as $50 :rolleyes: for 5 min (usually less) of work Im not paying $50

Bartkowski
September 13, 2008, 02:19 PM
For me to call it reasonable it has to be $25 or below. Anything more is to much.

DoubleTapDrew
September 13, 2008, 02:32 PM
You used to be able to get that list from Shotgun News. There may be places you can get it online now, but I don't know of one.
Right Here is the online version (http://listings.shotgunnews.com/fflguide/)
I think anything over $25 is unreasonable, except for Title II.
They are free to charge whatever they want, and customers are free to find someone else.

SCKimberFan
September 13, 2008, 02:39 PM
1 store charges $20. A couple of others are $35. Guess which one I use...

TexasRifleman
September 13, 2008, 03:00 PM
Here in metro NYC I've been quoted $50, $75, and one place in the Bronx, Olinville Arms, wanted $100 to transfer a shotgun.

Don't some states charge dealers for a separate background check?

Seems like I've read that before on here somewhere, that might explain the higher cost in some areas.

Defensory
September 13, 2008, 03:06 PM
$50 is indeed too high.

Call around to all the dealers in your area. You should be able to find one who'll do it for half that.

$25 is the most I'd pay.

searcher451
September 13, 2008, 03:38 PM
My FFL dealer charges $25, which is a good value considering the service and courtesy I receive from him. I could go across town to save $5 per transfer but wouldn't think of it.

On the other hand, if he raised his price to $50, I'd have to think long and hard before continuing our good relationship. A $50 charge for a transfer seems not just high but out of line for what's involved.

modifiedbrowning
September 13, 2008, 03:51 PM
Last time I did a transfer it cost me $10.

Gator
September 13, 2008, 05:44 PM
Its $44-$60 around me...I'm jealous of you guys that get it done for $15-20.

Speedo66
September 13, 2008, 07:04 PM
NYS does not require a permit for a long arm, so no additional background check.

In NYC you must have a long arm permit before you can possess.

Legionnaire
September 13, 2008, 07:43 PM
$20 is reasonable. Unfortunately, everybody around here just went to $30. All did it around the same time, too.

BacSi67
September 13, 2008, 07:46 PM
Transfer fee in NNJ right now is $50 ($15 for NICS check and $35 for transfer, but I've heard they go up to $75 in some places around here.

Wes Janson
September 13, 2008, 11:11 PM
It may sometimes be "just a couple minutes of work", but that's not always the case. Statistically, you're going to wind up with the Transfers From Hell from time to time, which wind up turning into huge headaches. $20 might be reasonable for a couple minutes of work, but that same $20 turns into a loss for the FFL if he winds up having to spend a significant amount of time trying to get things straightened out from the other end, dealing with 4473 issues, placating irate customers, etc. That flat rate has to cover both the simple and the complex, because there's no way to know in advance which it's going to be.

Odd1
September 13, 2008, 11:35 PM
I pay 15-20 bucks and have no complaints. :)

The real issue needs to be considered.

When I am doing a transfer that usually means the gun came from out of state. Being in Texas it is 8.25% sales tax that was just saved.

Then add in what was saved by shopping for the gun through the internet. I often find what I want and do not settle for what is avialable.

So you must balance getting exactly what you want at a fair price, plus shipping and FFL fee (whatever) against paying sales tax for something you may have settled for at a higher price.

So yeah, there may be times I would pay more for a FFL transfer. Just depends what I was transfereing and how much that gun was worth to me.

But I am glad to only be paying 15-20 bucks depending on FFL.

uneasy_rider
September 13, 2008, 11:49 PM
but that same $20 turns into a loss for the FFL if he winds up having to spend a significant amount of time trying to get things straightened out from the other end, dealing with 4473 issues, placating irate customers, etc.

I am not sure I understand what problems you expect to encounter.

What kind of things might need to get straightened out from the other end?

What 4473 issues are you talking about?

Zedo
September 13, 2008, 11:51 PM
$20 -- $25 is the standard transfer fee locally, across numerous shops. It's also the charge for ordering a gun online and having it shipped to the FFL.

Flat rate whether you transfer one gun or a half dozen.

NICS check in Oregon is done by the State Police and they get $10. That $10 comes out of the $25 transfer fee. ATF is not involved in the transfer beyond keeping the "bound book," and accordingly receives no money in the transfer.

Gun dealers locally just want to sell firearms.

herohog
September 13, 2008, 11:54 PM
$25 at the local gun shop here in South Central VA.

Wes Janson
September 14, 2008, 03:45 AM
I am not sure I understand what problems you expect to encounter.

What kind of things might need to get straightened out from the other end?

What 4473 issues are you talking about?

It's whatever shouldn't happen but does. Buyer doesn't know how to fill out a 4473, or doesn't have current ID, or otherwise screws up. Seller doesn't know what the heck they're doing, has issues figuring out how to ship, or otherwise has communication problems. Buyer proceeds to call shop every day for a week asking if their firearm has arrived. Buyer comes back as a conditional, and requires more hassle of waiting for response, explaining procedures to buyer, and dealing with the paperwork. Package that arrives is incorrect/broken/damaged/contains bobcat instead of firearm (and then headache of dealing with that mess).

I'm sure given time there's probably fifty more things that can go wrong, but no matter what all of them wind up taking up your time. Time = money, and it's money that comes out of the dealer's pocket. In a perfect world, the seller already has the dealer's FFL information, the item ships as expected, it takes a couple minutes to do the paperwork, and everything goes smoothly. In a perfect world.

Ragnar Danneskjold
September 14, 2008, 03:52 AM
I'd say $25 is the perfect amount, and I won't use a dealer for more than $40.

fairfax1
September 14, 2008, 05:50 AM
I think Washington DC has everyone beat for the most unreasonable. There is one (yes, only one) FFL in the entire city and he charges $125 for a transfer of a revolver. Semi-autos are considered machine guns and are banned. :barf:

Thankfully, I live across the river in VA and only pay $20 at my local gun store.

theken206
September 14, 2008, 05:53 AM
15-30 bucks

mgkdrgn
September 14, 2008, 11:10 AM
I think Washington DC has everyone beat for the most unreasonable. There is one (yes, only one) FFL in the entire city and he charges $125 for a transfer of a revolver. Semi-autos are considered machine guns and are banned. :barf:

Thankfully, I live across the river in VA and only pay $20 at my local gun store.

Not quite correct .. there are 5 or 6 FFL's in DC, but only ONE that will deal with the general public.

Oh, btw, he just spend 9 MONTHS waiting for DC to approve a new business location so he could have his FFL amended with the new address before he could legally conduct business.

hotpig
September 14, 2008, 12:52 PM
I have noticed that areas that have high cost of living also have higher transfer fees.

I charge 10.00 for a transfer. 6.25 % goes to the state plus 2.00 goes to ISP for the NICS check.

The amount of time it takes is not relevant to the cost since the dealer has to keep your paperwork on file in case it ever needs to be checked by local or Federal LE.

IL will eventually pass a law that will require FFL holders to buy a State license to sale/transfer handguns. When that happens there will be a two tier system of charges here. One for long guns and one for hand guns.:cuss:

The Lone Haranguer
September 14, 2008, 01:37 PM
I have a local shop that charges $19.99 for a transfer, and the club/range I used to belong to charged $15 for members. I would not have had a problem with up to $35.

A dealer in some states (e.g., California where I came from:rolleyes:) has all sorts of paperwork/documentation hoops for both the buyer and shop to jump through, and could (IMO) justifiably charge another $10 or so. A full C-note or even more is ridiculous. :mad:

Gunnerpalace
September 14, 2008, 01:59 PM
5 or 6 FFL's in DC

Make that 4-5 I think the ATF paid Suggarman a little visit.


But as for the others don't they have to do business to keep the license?

Wake-up call to them?

Oh yeah the FFL's around here it is to their discretion :( .

RPCVYemen
September 14, 2008, 03:24 PM
They can charge what they want but here everyone wants like $40-$45 dollars and IMO thats ridiculous for the 3 minutes of work that goes into a transfer

I suspect that bookkeeping, liability insurance, etc., absorb a fair amount of coast.

One of the amazing and wonderful things about this country is that if you think you can do something better/faster/cheaper than the next guy, you can set up shop. If you make money doing transfers for $5 a pop, and everyone else in your area is charging $50 a transfer, then you might make a pile of money. On the other hand, if there are a lot of hidden costs, you may not do so well - but that's life in America.

Mike

MinnMooney
September 14, 2008, 03:35 PM
I pay $10 at "The Trading Post" stores in Zimmerman and Princeton, MN.

That said, I think anything over $15 is robbery figuring the time that is needed to open, record & do the background check (15 minutes - tops). My guys do it in 10 minutes flat from the time I walk in until the time I walk out - & "No", nothing is completed ahead of time. Well................. sometimes I linger to check out the merchandise - it IS a trading post ya know!

Hanzerik
September 14, 2008, 04:07 PM
The place I currently use charges $10 for transfers. Most of the other places in town range from $15-$35

mgkdrgn
September 14, 2008, 06:17 PM
Make that 4-5 I think the ATF paid Suggarman a little visit.


But as for the others don't they have to do business to keep the license?

Wake-up call to them?

Oh yeah the FFL's around here it is to their discretion :( .

All but Sugarman "do business", they just don't do it with the general public. Which, if you think of it, would have been illegal in the last 30 years or so.

At least 2 holderers are theatrical companies that need the FFL for shipping / receiving prop guns.

One is the BATF office in DC.

The others deal exclusively with LEO's and security companies. The one fellow who -is- willing to deal with the general public also falls into that category. He would MUCH rather not do so, but felt that -someone- had to facilitate transfers into DC.

CDignition
September 14, 2008, 06:25 PM
I do them for $20 bux out the door.. FDLE Charge is 5 bux for Background check.. if you get 2 guns on same 4473, it is still 20 bux.

JustinL
September 14, 2008, 06:28 PM
In Jacksonville you are looking at anywhere between $35-60 depending where you go. That does not include the $5 background check fee.

clark-kentski
September 14, 2008, 06:30 PM
Best i can can find in Fort Lauderdale is 25 +5 background check +2 dollars tax =32 dollars.

yeti
September 14, 2008, 06:41 PM
$15, seemed like a fair price.

marcelblay
September 14, 2008, 06:42 PM
Every gunshop in Puerto Rico charges $120

SeanSw
September 14, 2008, 06:57 PM
The local shops were charging $27.50-$30 for transfers. I haven't used them since I found a kitchen table FFL whose rates have just increased to $12.50.

Boomerang
September 14, 2008, 07:25 PM
Our local shops are about $40.

I understand that the profit margins on firearms are very low, but I'm more put off by the 3% extra that many gun shops charge for using a credit card than I am about the expensive transfer fee.

If I could get a gun for $40 less by going on the internet, then it's a wash and I should support my local shop. If I buy used, or it's a gun that the shop can't order, then I should hope that the shop might give me a lower price on the transfer.

Griz44
September 14, 2008, 09:39 PM
Most folks who use an FFL for transfer will gripe about any fee for 5 or 10 minutes of "work". How many here realize that we have to keep the paper records in a fireproof and secure place (a safe) for 20 years? How many realize that we get audited every year and sometimes spend hours with the FBI or ATF agent while they review those records? They don't offer to pay us for our time either, but do fine the crap out of us if we do it wrong, or even revoke the license or elect to refuse a renewal. If you ever wonder why we charge a fee, make an application for your license. Pictures, prints, interviews, endless forms and several very thick law books later, the lights will come on. I even had to go to the local PD and give a letter to the Chief and have a local detective come inspect my safe and home based shop. It may seem trivial to those who are sitting for a few minutes waiting on a NICS to come back, but it is not as simple as the five minutes you had to wait. Sorry, I am not really venting or complaining, I just think that very few folks know what it takes to get and maintain that FFL.

hotpig
September 14, 2008, 09:56 PM
Griz44 keep your shirt on. The complainers would still not be happy even if we did transfers for free.

On a 10.00 transfer I make almost 7.50 after tax and NCIC fee. That is more than I would make if I sold the customer a new gun and they paid with a credit card.

76shuvlinoff
September 14, 2008, 10:06 PM
So I really over paid the mom & pop shop out in the sticks when they charged me $20 and I threw another $20 on top of it because I happen to like em?

Soybomb
September 14, 2008, 11:03 PM
In Illinois I believe the calls to the state police for a check is $2 for the dealer. I think $20 is fair and I will gladly pay it, $30 is my high limit. For that money I expect as many guns to be transferred as come in the same box and fit on the same 4473 (ex: if I get 3 lower receivers on the same order, 1 transfer fee)

Chris Plitt
September 14, 2008, 11:13 PM
As a licensee, I charge a mere $20. That seems to be the cheapest around as one guy drives 60 miles for me to do the transfers. I base it on the phone call, $20 for 1 gun is resonable, but one guy picked up 10 or 12, in that case its a bargain! I will admit though, he paid me considerably more.

If anyone in the local area needs a transfer, just let me know!

IZinterrogator
September 14, 2008, 11:18 PM
I used to get my transfers done through waterhouse for $6, but then I moved away so now I'm up to $10 with my new dealer.

Cliff47
September 15, 2008, 09:26 AM
Lately, I've been using a fellow at a pawn shop that charges $20 (plus state sales tax) for a transfer. Previously, I've used a shop closer to me that now charges $35 (plus state sales tax). I figure I'm getting the same service, why pay more if I don't have to?

jhco
September 15, 2008, 09:31 AM
ive paid 15-40 but i usually pay 25

Flame Red
September 15, 2008, 09:35 AM
Here in Central Florida the FFL's are not our friends. I firmly believe they have conspired to eliminate transfers. Most FFL's that I have dealt with around here no longer will do transfers at all. The few that do charge $50-$100, and then impose all kinds of made up rules. Like they will not transfer ANYTHING they can order themselves. None will accept a transfer from a private party anymore. You must leave the store with a lock installed on the trigger (yeah, they will be happy to sell you one if you forget to bring your own). And they all enjoy giving you the third degree like they are doing the biggest favor in the world for us mear (non-FFL) mortals.

It has gotten to the point where I no longer will transfer, FTF only.

Very sad.

All it would take is one dealer to be reasonable and he would clean up.

berettashotgun
September 15, 2008, 09:40 AM
$10-$15 in OKC at the 2 dealers I use.
The $10 dealer is my preferred place, lot of history; location isn't good for my shift work. Impractical to drive there and back home - 43mile round trip.
The $15 dealer is excellent and close, 5 rifles with him.
I found both of the dealers I use on Gunbroker ( or AuctionArms ?) I seem to recall.
I would never expect as local shop to work for less than $30 here in OKC. But they do have to keep the lights on and doors open.
A home office dealer - well, $15 is the MAXIMUM I will pay.

indie
September 15, 2008, 09:43 AM
15-25 fair price to me. 30 maybe

The dealers i have used both charged $20

over 30 i think is excessive

RPCVYemen
September 15, 2008, 10:06 AM
Here in Central Florida the FFL's are not our friends. I firmly believe they have conspired to eliminate transfers. Most FFL's that I have dealt with around here no longer will do transfers at all. The few that do charge $50-$100, and then impose all kinds of made up rules. Like they will not transfer ANYTHING they can order themselves. None will accept a transfer from a private party anymore. You must leave the store with a lock installed on the trigger (yeah, they will be happy to sell you one if you forget to bring your own). And they all enjoy giving you the third degree like they are doing the biggest favor in the world for us mear (non-FFL) mortals.

So get an FFL, and become an immortal!

I don't understand all the whining on this thread. If the locals are charging $50-$100, and imposing all kinds of made up rules, then quit whining, and open your own FFL transfer business. Charge $25, don't impose any unnecessary rules, and in ten years your kids will push Sam Walton's off the Forbes "100 Richest Americans" list.

I suspect that you'll find that some of your assumptions are incorrect. But prove me wrong - that's how business innovation happens a capitalist society. Moore and Nyce decided that they could build a better chip and started Intel. Fred Smith was sure that the could deliver packages faster and cheaper than the Post Office, and now we have Fedex. Steve Jobs thought he could deliver music cheaper and faster than CD companies - and now every kid wants an iPod. Sam Walton thought he could sell household goods cheaper. Many fortunes in this country were built on inventions, but many were also built on someone's vision of a faster/cheaper/better way of delivering an existing service.

For a board that prides itself on being 100% all American independent thinkers, these posts are strange. Are we a bunch of sniveling Marxists? "Oh, mean old Mr. Business Owner is oppressing us poor peasants! He's such a meany!" Hearing this kind of simpering on a board where it's normal to label anyone who doesn't believe that creationism should be required in public schools a Marxist is downright strange.

Mike

Bubbles
September 15, 2008, 10:16 AM
You must leave the store with a lock installed on the trigger...

Not to hijack, but that's a Federal law. Don't blame the FFL for that one.

waterhouse
September 15, 2008, 10:32 AM
I am not sure I understand what problems you expect to encounter.

What kind of things might need to get straightened out from the other end?

Real life examples:

Gun arrives with no paperwork or indication of who it is for. Only a return address is available. No phone number comes up for that address through online searches. I now have a gun I can't log in, so I have to send a certified letter to the return address and keep a copy of the certified letter with the gun, so I can show it to the ATF if they come and ask why the gun is not logged in. This process ended up taking a few weeks. This was an extreme to fix, but guns arrive without paperwork fairly often, and more work must go into all of these transfers than should have to go into them.

Gun arrives and guy gets delayed on the background check, but he is leaving town. He ends up moving before the background checks clears. It wasn't a big issue, because the guy was a good customer, but it is another example of a transfer requiring more work than usual.

I've only had one denial, but that was quite a hassle. The seller doesn't want the gun back, the buyer can't have the gun, no one wants to pay for sending the gun back to the seller.

98% of transfers are easy, but the 2% that aren't can take up ridiculous amounts of time.

For the OP, when it got above $25 I broke down and got my own license, so I guess that was what I considered reasonable.

Arkady
September 15, 2008, 10:47 AM
I'll pay $20.
Less is fine (I can still find $15 occasionally), but if you want more than $20 then I will gladly drive further away for the pleasure of not supporting your business.

Hanzerik
September 15, 2008, 10:50 AM
Question for you FFL's out there; why do you charge for the background check call? Is it not a toll free number, or is there another reason?

Bubbles
September 15, 2008, 10:59 AM
Question for you FFL's out there; why do you charge for the background check call? Is it not a toll free number, or is there another reason?

In WV there is no charge to call NICS, so we don't charge the customer.

Some states, like VA, require the FFL's to call the state police, and the state police check NICS and some state databases. The state police in VA charges $2 for the background check, so that charge gets passed on to the customer. Other states may have similar processes and fees.

mgkdrgn
September 15, 2008, 01:39 PM
Question for you FFL's out there; why do you charge for the background check call? Is it not a toll free number, or is there another reason?

Would you walk into a restaurant, take out your bag lunch and eat it at their table? Hey, there were plenty of empty tables, didn't cost them anything. Right?

An FFL is a -business-, a -service- business. They make money by providing a -service- and charging for that -service-. It's not about what it costs them to provide every little aspect of that service, anymore than it is for any other service business.

wyocarp
September 15, 2008, 02:01 PM
$20 - $40

tinygnat219
September 15, 2008, 02:07 PM
Well,

Considering that it's one of the most regulated business areas in the USA, and they have stringent requirements placed on them, I beleive that it's a small price to pay. 20-25 bucks is the standard rate in NOVA.

FLA2760
September 15, 2008, 06:13 PM
$40 to $45 here. They want you to buy from them. I can understand that but many can't match online prices most of the time.

Hanzerik
September 15, 2008, 06:17 PM
Question for you FFL's out there; why do you charge for the background check call? Is it not a toll free number, or is there another reason?

In WV there is no charge to call NICS, so we don't charge the customer.

Some states, like VA, require the FFL's to call the state police, and the state police check NICS and some state databases. The state police in VA charges $2 for the background check, so that charge gets passed on to the customer. Other states may have similar processes and fees.

Ah, didn't know that the SP charged for making the call. I can see the call charges being passed off to the customer as being fair then. I have never had to pay a fee for the FFL making a call so I didn't know. Plus here in WY my FFL does not even make a call, he just writes down my CWP info on the 4473, takes my money, shakes hands, and says have a good day.

Wes Janson
September 16, 2008, 01:13 AM
In Florida the states charges $5; everyone pays $5. Simple enough, although sometimes I wonder how much profit the state must be making off of the call-ins...

Bubbles
September 16, 2008, 10:37 PM
Just as another example of why transfer fees may be high and why FFL's don't like giving copies of their FFL/SOT to individulas. This one involves an NFA firearm and an AWOL customer.

http://www.subguns.com/boards/mgmsg.cgi?read=671977

Check this out.

Customer has sent here, a transferable item, (what it is, is irrelevant), customer's name is not included in the F3 with the item. I actually do not know who the customer is until he calls a few months later. He does not leave his name but rather "I'm the guy with the (item), did it make it there yet?".

Yes, I tell him. But he never shows to start his Form 4.

A year goes by. He calls and says "I just got back in the country, I'll come down there this week and start the paperwork."

Me, being annoyed at this point, say "I'm about ready to file abandoned property papers on it through my lawyer, this isn't NFA storage, this is NFA transfers."

"Sorry, been busy. I'll be in this week, Promise."

SIX MORE MONTHS go by, not a word.

I'm getting ready to get out of the business.

29 MONTHS, this item has been here. It's worth multiple-thousands of dollars.

After 2 and a half years....is this abandoned property or what?

I don't know the guy's name. He never leaves his number, yet I've been the caretaker of his item, for free, and responsible for it's full value that entire time.

I'm annoyed and conflicted.

Riss
September 16, 2008, 10:41 PM
Some go for $10 if simple paperwork. Like I am here with my buddy to transfer the gun to me. To another guy who says that he cannot transfer between non FFL's and charges $50 to xfer to him and then $50 to xfer to me. That is out of line, and totally wrong.

adam_oz
September 17, 2008, 12:19 AM
At my gun store it is 25 bucks. It all goes to the dealer for the doing all the paperwork.

SturmGrenadier
April 14, 2009, 10:02 PM
Anyone have their FFL charge tax on top of the transfer fee?

I'm lucky....My FFL only charges $10 per 4473...not transfer....4473....I can max out a 4473 with as many firearms as I can and only cost me $10 no tax

I'm sorry but $100+ for a title II transfer on a suppressor that is already in stock at your location is ludicrous. Last time I checked ATF forms were free to download and even more free to fill out. I can even pay for the postage to mail it.

Even if I fill out the Form 4 and Form 5330.20....to where the SOT has to just fill in his info on the Form 4....still $100+

SOT is $500 a year on top of your 01 FFL fee's? If you can't sell more than 5 NFA toys a year to make up the cost and other expenses....maybe you need to choose a new career.

I'm doing them a favor by buying the can from the stocking dealer. Already making $195 on it by charging you MSRP over their dealer cost.

Maybe I should charge for my time in driving to the shop - time spent there - etc.

Ive created many SBR's...never paid for the the first Form 1. Only postage and $200 money order. Created my own trust with no lawyers helping too...only cost me $18 for the software...Best $18 I ever spent too

Griz44
April 14, 2009, 10:15 PM
In Texas, the fee for transfer is considered a service, and I have to pay the 8.25% to the state for all services rendered. The state tax auditor WILL collect on all services rendered.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
April 14, 2009, 10:40 PM
My guy charges $10 and gives excellent service. About every other time, I give him an additional $10 for tip.

BhmBill
April 14, 2009, 11:26 PM
Hopefully I'll get approved for my type 7 ffl when I apply this year. If I do get approved, since everyone here in town is $25 to $75 for title I and i've seen upwards of $250 for title II. Some even charge if its an in stock item. I'll probably only charge something like $5 or maybe 2%, free for military or CCW holders.

I know how some people find themselves a $75 beater online and end up paying another $25 for shipping, $25 for NICS, $10 in taxes, etc. Payin more just to get the gun in your possession than what the gun is worth.

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