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Dustinthewind
September 13, 2008, 12:03 PM
I am looking for load data on 9mm 122 grain cast lead truncated cone preferably using Hodgdon Titegroup.

Thanks in advance!

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Walkalong
September 13, 2008, 03:50 PM
Hodgdon Data (http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp)

depoloni
September 13, 2008, 07:16 PM
PM me if you have any interest in loading that bullet with ANY of the following: Win-231, Blue Dot, HS-6, IMR SR-4756

Actually interested in loading them and chrono'ing them with Titegroup myself, as well as one or two others, but haven't gotten around to it. I've got fully worked up data (in a CZ-75B) for the above 4 powders though if you have any interest in them. Sorry I can't help with your specific question though.

I buy them at my local range for $62/1000 lubed and they shoot ridiculously good groups out of that pistol loaded moderately.

Ergosphere
September 14, 2008, 01:45 PM
depoloni, could you post your data here? I'm sure others are interested in it...

depoloni
September 14, 2008, 08:25 PM
My CZ-75B has the factory standard spring - 14-lbs I believe for reference's sake. Also note as well that it has a 4.7" barrel.

my Winchester 231 Data:
3.6 grains yielded 978 fps at COL of 1.050"
3.8 grains yielded 1036 fps at COL of 1.050"
4.0 grains yielded 1062 fps at COL of 1.050"**
4.2 grains yielded 1099 fps at COL of 1.050"**
4.4 grains yielded 1137 fps at COL of 1.050" - at which point leading started to increase significantly.
The most accurate load in my pistol for 231 (and altogether) was the 4.0-4.2 range. The 3.6 grain load did not reliably cycle my pistol, with brass hanging up every 5-6 shots. I set to 4.1gr in my powder dropper, +/- the tenth of a grain I can count on in the Lyman #55 to land me in that 4.0-4.2 range either way.

my Hodgdon HS-6 Data:
5.5 grains yielded 1002 fps at COL of 1.050"
5.8 grains yielded 1069 fps at COL of 1.050"
6.1 grains yielded 1144 fps at COL of 1.050"**
6.4 grains yielded 1207 fps at COL of 1.050" - again at this point leading started to increase significantly.
For HS-6, which is my 2nd favorite/most accurate 9mm cast powder, the 6.1 grain load right before leading starts gives me the most consistent benched groups.

I didn't PM the Blue Dot Data, but here it is:
6.7 grains yielded 1091 fps at COL of 1.050"
7.0 grains yielded 1154 fps at COL of 1.050"
7.3 grains yielded 1196 fps at COL of 1.050"**
7.6 grains yielded 1246 fps at COL of 1.050" - interestingly still LITTLE leading but the brass was really starting to fly and the charge was, I believe, compressed
Blue Dot obviously runs okay in my 9mm pistol, but I don't like the way it burns - behind some bullets it just won't burn completely at all. It does have the advantage of being slow, which helps with leading/pressure I think because those ~1250fps buck but they don't lead badly.

**Most accurate load in a given powder.

Oh yeah, my bullets are lubed with a hard, blue waxy type and test around 21-22 BHN always on the Lee Hardness tester.

THESE LOADS, ALTHOUGH NOT MAX IN MOST CASES ACCORDING TO FACTORY DATA, WAS SAFE IN MY PISTOL BUT MAY NOT BE IN YOURS. USE LOAD DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK AND WORK UP LOADS CAREFULLY, CHECKING FOR SIGNS OF PRESSURE ALONG THE WAY. DO NOT RISK LOSING A HAND OR WORSE BY ASSUMING YOUR EXPERIENCES WILL BE THE SAME AS MINE. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED.

I've got the SR-4756 data slipped into a loading book somewhere, one that may have been borrowed actually. I'll look all over for it but I won't extrapolate off of memory there.

Any interest in the same sort of data for 115 rainiers or Win/Magtech FMJ's of the same weight, I've got an excel spreadsheet working that I keep most of my data and a lot of "geek stats" on.

Again, which will happen occasionally, apologies on the long post.

schmeky
September 14, 2008, 09:58 PM
depoloni,

Excellent 9m data. I for one would love to see your other data for 9mm handloads. I have just started using the 147 gn cast bullets in my 9mm's.

I shoot a CZ, M&P, and a Colt 1911/9mm.

depoloni
September 14, 2008, 11:34 PM
Listings are as follows: Powder - Charge (grains) - Velocity (fps)

1) All velocities taken at 12 feet, from 9mm CZ-75B over 12 shots unless noted otherwise.
2) Barrel length is 4.7" and COAL is listed after each bullet type.
3) In all instances listed here, Winchester Small Pistol primers were used (WSP).
4) In all instances listed here, Winchester once-fired brass was used.

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115-grain Rainier Hollow-Point - COL = 1.100"
W231 3.8 917
W231 4.0 960
W231 4.2 1010
W231 4.4 1038 - accurate
W231 4.6 1056 - most accurate overall / favorite
W231 4.8 1068

HS-6 5.8 983
HS-6 6.1 1047
HS-6 6.4 1102
HS-6 6.6 1146 - most accurate HS-6 load
HS-6 6.8 1162
HS-6 7.0 1197

Blue Dot 6.8 1059
Blue Dot 7.0 1068
Blue Dot 7.2 1100
Blue Dot 7.4 1103
Blue Dot 7.6 1108

I did not care for the Blue Dot - know it often requires magnums to burn properly but I don't like them in a 9mm-capacity case. Note how the velocity, and likely the powder burned in the barrel, stops at about 7.1-7.2 grains in this setup. The HS-6 is about as accurate as 231 but I prefer 231 in general due to its superiority with cast bullets in my 9mm.

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115-grain Rainier FMC RN - COL = 1.140"
W231 3.8 934
W231 4.0 986
W231 4.2 1032
W231 4.4 1060 - accurate / favorite
W231 4.6 1088 - accurate
W231 4.8 1101

HS-6 5.8 970
HS-6 6.1 1054
HS-6 6.4 1129
HS-6 6.6 1171 - most accurate overall
HS-6 6.8 1198
HS-6 7.0 1224

Here from my testing (2nd rainier I tried in 9mm) the HS-6 grouped better and the extreme spreads in velocity, which was just too much to put here with every load, was more consistent... however like I said 231 is my "bulk favorite" so I use it more. I didn't bother with Blue Dot with this bullet.

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115-grain Winchester FMJ flat-base - COL = 1.160"
HS-6 6.7 1076
HS-6 7.0 1181 - most accurate all

SR-4756 5.7 1105
SR-4756 6.0 1161 - most accurate 4756
SR-4756 6.3 1190 - accurate

Blue Dot 7.2 1138
Blue Dot 7.6 1171 - most accurate BD
Blue Dot 7.8 1210
Blue Dot 8.0 1243

W231 4.7 1097
W231 4.9 1132
W231 5.1 1150 - most accurate 231

My favorite when I load "real" FMJ bullets is HS-6 ahead of 231, the one bullet type I can say that for. Its velocities are superior and the extreme spreads are about half what 231's are despite neither being what I'd call poor. Here, same WSP primers, the thicker jacket vs Rainiers apparently causes enough friction or lag-time in the barrel to burn all the Blue Dot through max charges. Still don't like it. I actually really like what SR-4756 showed me here but I don't like it much for Rainiers or 122-gr cast TC's, so I just don't keep it around much. I advise you start lower than I listed here in the FMJ data - to try (heh right) and save time and typing I didn't add starting-level loads for HS-6 or 231 here.

Hope this helps. This is what I have at-hand currently updated on the spreadsheet... and of course all the "use at your own risks" in bold in my last post apply.

evan price
September 15, 2008, 01:05 AM
4.0 grains Titegroup workee-goodee.

schmeky
September 15, 2008, 09:02 AM
depoloni,

Outstanding. I have copied and pasted your efforts to my load data on my hard drive. I use WW231 almost exclusively now. Your data is excellent, great job and thanx for sharing.

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