Your primary home defense gun?


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MikeJ
September 8, 2003, 12:04 AM
Although this is a handguns thread I would like to know how many of you use another type of gun as your first line of home defense? Thanks, Mike

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.45Ruger
September 8, 2003, 12:12 AM
For me it's a Ruger P90 because that's easier to hold with a flashlight than a long gun.

Ala Dan
September 8, 2003, 12:26 AM
Greeting's All-

My first line of home D' is a 12 gague Remington 870
Marine Magnum, currently stoked with Federal's # 4
and #00 buck-shot.

Of course, its backed with with a West German SIG-
Sauer P220A in .45 caliber; loaded with some
Remington (standard pressure) 185 grain JHP's.

If the perp is lucky enough to wade thru all that, then
there is six rounds of Federal's 110 grain "Hydra-Shok"
awaiting him/her, as fired from a Smith & Wesson 6"
model 686-5.

Additional home D includes: a .380 Walther PPK, a Smith
& Wesson (old model 60) in .38 special; and a stain
less steel Rossi (model 88, I think ?), also in .38 SPL
awaiting their demise.

U think I have enough firepower?


Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

MikeJ
September 8, 2003, 01:03 AM
Hi Ala Dan - I think you've got plenty of firepower!:uhoh:

After 20 years of shooting handguns I have finally decided to add a shotgun to my home defense system and was really curious as to how many others also employ a shotgun for home defense. Best, Mike

c-bag
September 8, 2003, 01:18 AM
MikeJ:

i think the determing factor for me is mobility

i think the shotgun is an excellent choice for HD when the primary concern is securing a fixed location (i.e. bedroom door, stairwell, hallway).

when mobility is required (like getting to the kids down the hall) i'd go to a handgun if possible

DMK
September 8, 2003, 01:18 AM
If I can get to it, my 12 gauge Mossberg is primary. That said, at any given time a .357, .40 or 45ACP handgun may very well be...well...handier.

C.R.Sam
September 8, 2003, 01:24 AM
Primary.........shotgun.
First line of defence......likely a revolver on or near my body.

Sam

Dr.Rob
September 8, 2003, 01:43 AM
Prefer a good revolver or DA/SA auto that can be stored 'ready' but with the springs relaxed.

wunderkind
September 8, 2003, 01:46 AM
Like my Taurus 82 security guard turn-in for the 'bump in the night' gun. It's a 6-shot .38 spl. Military & Police copy with a surprisingly nice trigger.

No safety to switch off. No mag spring to set. DA pull=less chance for an accident at 3 a.m.

Easy to tell if loaded without manipulating the gun. No 'press check' necessary.

With rubber grips, soft-shooting, even with the potent 158 grain +P SWC. Fun & cheap to practice with, a good thing in a defense gun.

My situation doesn't lend itself to having a long gun at the ready.

Funny, there's a couple Glocks and a few S&W wheelguns in the safe. But the $165.00 Taurus is my 'save your bacon' piece.

(I know that following basic safety rules would negate some of my points-but I'm considering being woke up and not totallly alert at the time of threat-Mr. Murphy is my copilot!)

David4516
September 8, 2003, 01:53 AM
How about "all of the above"?

I've got:

a Remington shotgun loaded with #4 Buckshot (27 pellets are better than 9, right?)

a Makarov with 95 gr Hornady XTPs

and, as a last resort (because of overpenatration concerns) a Wichester Model 94 .30-30 with 110 gr JHPs

I'd go for the shotgun first, so thats what I voted for...

boing
September 8, 2003, 02:14 AM
Was shotgun, but now handgun (Glock 19 right now).

I developed the need for restricted access, and that means GunVault.

V-fib
September 8, 2003, 02:58 AM
For me my primary is my Mossberg 500 12g. 18”bbl and sidesaddle loaded with light fieldloads and followed by 00buck and slugs on the buttstock carrier. I also have a flashlight and laser attachment. I have a 2.5pwr scope and see through scope rings for close use if needed. A Sp101 is also available.

:cool:

TheeBadOne
September 8, 2003, 03:07 AM
98 lbs of German Shepard to start with. .40 Glock 22 with night sights, lasermax laser, Sure-Fire 6p flashlight, Corbon 135 gr hollowpoints. Second mag of Federal 165 gr Hydra-shocks. Gun vault locked up loaded Rem 870 12 ga stocked with high brass OO buck/flashlight on forearm. Cell phone on charger with the Glock/flashlight.

denfoote
September 8, 2003, 03:58 AM
Mike,
My G30, loaded with Federal 230gr Hydroshocks, is inder my pillow. I also have two 10 round mags within reach on the dresser. My wife has a Ruger P95 loaded with 115gr Winchester USA hollow points within reach under the bed. She also has two 15 round mags beside it!! :D

We like being loaded for bear!! :what:

Dry heat my arse!!! :evil:

Amegatek
September 8, 2003, 05:28 AM
Mine is my Ruger KP-89 loaded with 124gr. HydraShok's. Don't own any long guns at the moment. :cool:

Rob96
September 8, 2003, 06:21 AM
Well if the goblin makes it past my 90+ lb. Rottie, my primary HD gun right now is a Ruger GP-100 loaded with Speer 125gr+p 38spcl. I really do need to bring my shotgun up from the workshop.

New_comer
September 8, 2003, 07:12 AM
First line HD firearm: Remington 870P Wingmaster shotgun loaded with three '00' buck capped with a Fiocchi 1 oz slug.

Backup: my 9mm HK USP, with a balanced cocktail of 115 gr & 147 gr Fiocchi FMJHP, and 125gr FMJ bullets.

stevelyn
September 8, 2003, 11:09 AM
We like being loaded for bear.

I have to be since they like to visit often.

My home defense consists of BHP on the floor next to the bed for two-legged critters and to fight my way across the room to the Brenneke stoked 870 for the four-legged kind.
Of course if things really go south I have a Daewoo K-2 with a loaded mag nearby.:D

Augustwest
September 8, 2003, 11:31 AM
1st line - 2 very dedicated mutts.

2nd line - Win 1300 Defender.

OEF_VET
September 8, 2003, 11:47 AM
My first line of defense is Mossberg 500 (PG/side folder) with alternating #8 shot and 000Buck.

Should that fail, I've got a 4" 686 with Hydra-Shoks and Crimson Trace grips batting second.

Next to the 686 in the nightstand is where my P32 usually resides at night. I say usually because it's at the smiths right now.

Batting clean-up, just in case the zombies attack in force, my SAR-1 is in a soft case under the bed with 5 loaded mags, 4x30 and 1x40.

foghornl
September 8, 2003, 11:57 AM
First Line is the Springfield 1911-A1. That buys me time to fade back to the closet for the Maverick/Mossy 12Ga, w Rem 3" #4Buck--41 pellets a round.

After that, I'm going to the Most Serious Artillery...The US Rifle Cal .30 M-1 ...popularly known as The Garand

Sven
September 8, 2003, 12:17 PM
1911 with 9 rounds of +P

Lancel
September 8, 2003, 12:21 PM
Primary: Glock 20 (10mm) with 6 in bbl and night sights
Secondary: Cold Steel Assegai (short handled Zulu spear)

Backup: Spouse with revolver, telephone, and 2 dogs.

Larry

Ky Larry
September 8, 2003, 12:37 PM
My early warning system is a 3 1/2 lb Yorkie that hears everything in my neighborhood. Under my bed is a Winchester 1300 Defender with #00 buckshot. I have a Kimber within reach loaded with Winchester 230 gr JHP's. My wife has a .38 Colt Det Spl under her pillow loaded with Federal HydraShocks. I have an AK-47 in the front of my gun safe with 6 30 rnd mags. I can reach it fairly quickly but it's also my WTSHTF gun.

556A2
September 8, 2003, 02:26 PM
CZ-75B 9mm with 15 +P Speer Gold Dots

anapex
September 8, 2003, 03:13 PM
My primary is a Winchester 1300 Defender 12 gauge loaded with #00 buckshot. My secondary is my wife with a P99 in .40sw loaded with 185gr Hydrashoks.

DorGunR
September 8, 2003, 03:32 PM
Primary is two very mean Jindo dogs.......and if you get past them (ha) then a 1911 Colt Commander.;)

chaim
September 8, 2003, 04:35 PM
I do alternate my home defense guns, but right now they are all handguns.

Usually it is my S&W 65LS or S&W 586 loaded with .38+Ps or my Colt Police Positive Special loaded with .38s. Yeah, I don't really like the Colt much, but that makes it perfect for HD. If someone breaks in and is a threat and I have to shoot him/her, I'd feel much better about the police taking away my Colt than my Smiths (though in MD they'd probably not only take the one as evidence but they'd probably take every gun in the house). I do use my revolvers as my primary most of the time but one of my autos (usually the 1911 or CZ 75B) are usually available if needed as well. Actually, those are my night time bedside guns, when I'm just hanging around the house it is more likely to be my Taurus 85 or Bersa .380 since they fit better in my pocket and are thus more discrete (with the S&W 908 that I'm waiting on possibly taking over the Bersa's position once it finally comes).

I do intend to purchase another HD shotgun or a .223 carbine for HD duties soon, but the revolver will still probably be the primary (quicker access).

Darrin
September 8, 2003, 05:57 PM
I have a really big bed, so I sleep with both my 12 gauge and my .40 on the bed. 12ga on one side, .40 on the other... ;)

Skunkabilly
September 8, 2003, 06:09 PM
P7M8 right now. If more than 4 BGs break in, I'm screwed :p

T.Stahl
September 8, 2003, 06:45 PM
G17L.
If more than eight to sixteen BGs break in...

...I'll have to reload. :D

PS: Where do you get HK91s for the price of used RR 5.11s? I'd more than happily sell the two I have. :cool:

duckfoot
September 8, 2003, 06:56 PM
mossy 590

NewShooter78
September 8, 2003, 07:53 PM
Primary: Sig SP2340
Secondary: Mossy 590 which is being switched over to #8 shot now that I'm moving into an apartment. Before it was loaded alternately with rifled slugs and 00 buck.

cool45auto
September 9, 2003, 09:50 AM
Vertec.

Andrew Rothman
September 9, 2003, 12:19 PM
When I read about keeping a gun under the pillow, I have to assume that my leg is being pulled. You wouldn't really have a loaded firearm loose undedr your pillow, would you?

Beside the obvious safety issues, it sounds kind of lumpy.

Matt

Chaz
September 9, 2003, 12:27 PM
Mine is a SAR-1 w/40rd mag. (not pc but it gets the job done!) Backup is a Glock 21.

SteyrAUG
September 9, 2003, 01:37 PM
HK MP5 PDW.

Light, compact high capacity 9mm. Also my wife is familiar with the MP5 series and I wouldn't have to worry about her being alone.

gulogulo1970
September 9, 2003, 03:02 PM
My primary weapon used to be a Mossberg 500 8-shot 20" barrel. Now that I have kids in the house it is in the safe. So now I rely on a Glock 22 and a Glock 27 in a electronic Deluxe Double Gunvault in the bedroom. Not my first choice, but I have yet to find a quick and safe way to keep a loaded shotgun at the ready with small children in the house.

Brian Williams
September 9, 2003, 04:01 PM
S&W 940 under the mattress
S&W 13 in car bag under the bed
Marlin 1894 357 in closet
Win 1300 12ga in closet

Zeke Menuar
September 9, 2003, 04:50 PM
My shotgun is a Western Field 550(Mossberg 500) with a 20" barrel, choked to modifed using two rounds of #6 and then three 00 buck

If the bad guy gets past that, then he has to deal with a LW Commander and several mags of 230gr Hydra-shoks.

If my wife has to deal with the bad guy she uses a 4" M686-4 and .357 mag 125gr Golden Sabres. Nothing worse then a angry redhead with a gun.

ZM

Tim Currie
September 9, 2003, 05:01 PM
My CCW gun, Kahr P9.

anapex
September 9, 2003, 05:25 PM
Just as a quick side note for gulogulo, GunVault is coming out with a quick access shotgun safe type thing. You might want to look in to that

GlocksRock
September 9, 2003, 06:12 PM
Glock 26, 30, or 19. Unless I decide to get out another gun.

goon
September 9, 2003, 06:13 PM
An AK with three 30 round magazines, a SIG P-225 with three loaded mags and a CZ-75BD with two loaded mags.
Odds of using all that firepower are virtually nil.
Hopefully the sound of the AK being chambered will be enough for their common sense to prevail.

Solinvictus70
September 9, 2003, 08:51 PM
Tokarev. Then a 12 gauge loaded up with #1 buck.

PawDaddy
September 9, 2003, 08:59 PM
Well, I was looking to buy a new pump shotgun to fill this position, but due to wifes work situation, I have had to abandon those plans for now. I have always kept my .38 under the mattress, but I decided last week to get my .30 carbine from my parents house. I have a fifteen round mag loaded and chamber empty by my bed. It is short and easy to handle, so I feel pretty good with it. I could also use my son's Winchester 94 with receiver sight if I needed it. I also have a Blue Heeler beside my bed.

Bainx
September 9, 2003, 09:02 PM
Glock model 30. Because it absolutely positively has to go bang!

TheFederalistWeasel
September 9, 2003, 10:06 PM
Wilson Combat Remington 870 12 GA is what I go for if I have time, if not my P7M8 sleeps close by.

Zach S
September 9, 2003, 10:21 PM
At the moment, a colt M1991A1. Planning to get a shotgun after I get the tommy paid off.

P95Carry
September 9, 2003, 10:36 PM
Whatever my seasonal carry piece ... it's always on me 24/7. Currently snub but soon will have a shirt to wear and so the P series will once more be along side!:)

wardog
September 10, 2003, 12:19 AM
I think it would depend on the range of the offender(s).

900-400 yards, Remington 700 Police .308 w/Leupold 4.5-14 Tactical
400-250 yards, DSA SA-58 .308 Medium Contour
250-40 yards, Bushmaster .223 Dissipator
40-10 yards, Remington 870 12 G. 18"
10-0 yards, HK USP .45

Wardog

No4Mk1*
September 10, 2003, 01:20 AM
92FS with standard pressure 147grain Georgia Arms JHP's

Coot
September 10, 2003, 08:38 AM
I keep everything locked in a fairly large safe, but before bed unlock it to have quick access to a loaded Beretta 92D (15 rounds X2 mags of Federal EFMJ+P).

Altho there's a number of other choices available in there, wanted to keep it simple, and have a gun that my wife is also comfortable operating.

glockten
September 10, 2003, 11:35 AM
My primary is a S&W 4" N-frame. Right now it's a .45 Colt Mountain Gun with Federal 225gr LHPs. Sometimes it's a 629 with Winchester .44 Spl. 200gr Silvertips.

gburner
September 10, 2003, 01:46 PM
At various places in the house...
makarov, 1911A1, S&W 12 ga. pump with extension tube, single shot NEF 12 ga.
cut to minimum length allowed by law,
Winchester .22, SKS carbine, Enfield carbine, 2 large dogs and an owner with a lousy attitude.

SaintofKillers
September 10, 2003, 02:41 PM
to start with 80lb Rott and a 45lb lab, although unless its a flock of unruly mallards the lab aint doing much but barkin', after that I have a Mossberg 12 guage with 00 buck for a permanent postion, if I have to move I take my Springfield 1911 loaded with 200 gr flying ashtrays, and 2 spare mags.
I think rifle rounds may be a little to dangerous in the house due to overpenatration, dont want to kill my livestock in the field, but the AR15 is their none the less.

Spieler
September 11, 2003, 12:09 AM
My primary HD gun is my Winchester 1300 backed up by my G17. I have had one bump-in-the-night experience that made me a believer in the intimidation value of a smoothbore being racked at oh-dark-thirty.:what:

Trails650
September 11, 2003, 12:32 AM
Mossberg 590 12ga with #4 for all 9 rounds.

The goal being to keep on blasting ontil all the pieces are the same size or smaller then my hand.:evil:

Arkady
September 11, 2003, 01:34 AM
Mossberg 500. 20 inch barrel, full length mag tube, cylinder bore.
Empty chamber, full magazine--5 rounds of Reduced Recoil 00 Buck (If i'm lucky, maybe these will only penetrate 9 walls instead of 10? :rolleyes: ) capped off with two reduced recoil 1 oz slugs.
After that, i've got a belt pouch with 35 rounds of 2 3/4 inch 00 Buck (standard power) and 6 winchester Super-X slugs.
I may switch to #4 Buck if i can find a brand that patterns as well as the 00 has so far.

I have a SIG P228 nearby as well, but it is unloaded in the safe. However, i do keep two mags loaded with Winchester Ranger 127g +p+ JHPs by the gun.

No fancy weapon-mounted lights, no barrel porting/compensators/muzzle brakes. I have a Streamlight Scorpion on my bedside table, and a 500,000 candlepower spotlight, though :D

Stopdropnroll
September 11, 2003, 04:28 AM
Glock-21, night sights, m-3 light, 200gr P+ speer gold dot.

Bigger work might bring out a 12 ga Remington 870 police magnum, speed feed stock, extended mag, side saddle, tactical sling, with m-3 light.

SDnR ;)

Timber-Hunter
September 12, 2003, 12:27 AM
If they get past the guinea-hens,geese and pair of lab's and make it into the house then the 8.5lb ankle biter that can sense every thought of the person just before you can kick it and then move/bite in the same action.

1. GP-100 6" loaded with 145grain Silver-Tip HP's
2. Beretta FP-1201 loaded with 2.75" 1.5oz Lead BB's
3. The wife with her Stoeger coach-gun 20gauge 2.75" #3buckshot
4. And if they make it out of the house, the misses with a DPMS sweet-16 and me with a CEMTE loaded with a mag of 1-Bronze Point,1-Tracer,1-AP!

Orthonym
September 12, 2003, 05:53 AM
A large revolver made by a famous New England firm, chambered in .45 Colt.

chieftain
September 12, 2003, 07:04 AM
OK,

One could dicker whether the side arm or the shotgun is primary.

If I could only have one, I will take the shotgun.

The Mossy 590 with nightsights and 9 rounds Win 00 Buck23/4 Magnums. and 5 Remington reduce recoil or tactical slugs.

Under my pillow in the Alessi Talon II is my CCW SIG 228 with a normal capacity magazine (hi-Cap), with 14 Cor-Bon 115+P's.

Now on the bandoleer for the shotgun with a slew of ammo of different configuration, mostly slugs and some buck and just about 4 bb loads. Is my SIG 226 Also with a normal magazine, that means 16 rounds of afore mentioned Cor-Bon. Also on the Bandoleer is an additional 2 'normal' SIG 226 magazines (30 rounds) that will fit/work in either the 228 or 226.

Just an aside, all my hand guns have night sights.

Multiple flash lights at bed side and on bandoleer. And of course Cell phone to call the cavalry.

If I can't get it done with that equipment, I can't get it done.

Mpayne, asked earlier in this thread about a gun under the pillow. Keep it in a holster and I have never found it lumpy.

It has been my Post Viet Nam security thing

Fred

brownie0486
September 12, 2003, 01:11 PM
HD right now is glock 30 or my 640-1

Go with the g-30 in hand, 640-1 on waist as backup. No reloads or mags will be carried.

If 10+1 .45's, then 5 rds of 125gr 357 don't get it done, the wife will hand me the double SxS coach gun and bandolier.

I just do not see that an event in my home would last long enough to have to go with the SxS.

16 rds total between the two. That should translate to 12 dead immediately and 4 dying enroute sometime in the near future.

The reason for two guns and no reloads-----------

You could have one get the drop on you and have you drop the one in your hand. The second gun is accessed when opportunity knocks. Remember, they just disarmed you and will let their guard down a few seconds once you have been relieved of the one in your hand.

Extra mags for the auto home defense will do you no good once you have dropped the weapon in such a scenario. As well, the fastest reloads for me are a second gun produced if it becomes pratracted and I've run dry on the auto.

Brownie

Zach S
September 12, 2003, 02:31 PM
Brownie, I can see your point about having two houseguns, however I couldnt do it because I dont go to sleep wearing a holster, and cant exactly carry mexican either... I do, however, sleep with a pair of jeans (whatever i wore that night) beside the bed with an extra mag in the weak-side pocket. Hmm, now that I think about it, maybe I could get a Kel-Tec to put in the strong side as well.

edit: Of course, I also have big glass ashtrays that are never moved, as well as a few other non-weapon items throughout the house that can do some serious damage if I lose control of my sidearm.

williamcrane
September 12, 2003, 02:38 PM
I voted shotgun (Mossberg 500); but I keep a S&W 642-1 .38 +p on the table beside my bed. In the closet, I have:
S&W M60
S&W M13, 4"
S&W M27, 4"
SW1911
Springfield M1911A1 Mil-Spec
Ruger Mini-14
Colt Mustang Plus II
Colt Cowboy .45 Colt
Browning Buckmark
Beretta Tomcat
Ruger P97DC
Ruger Bearcat
plus some other stuff.

Meowhead
September 12, 2003, 04:50 PM
Well, I could only really take one gun when I moved into a tiny apartament in the ghetto...so it's a Sig P225. Simple and quick to operate, perfectly reliable, and small enough to be carried around in case of emeregency.

The most likely emeregency, by the way, would be the local basketball team winning a game and causing the locals to celebrate by overturning cars, looting stores, setting buildings on fire, etc. I hate people.

MyRoad
September 12, 2003, 07:36 PM
S&W625 .45acp w/Cor-Bon +P hollow points. Two additional full moonclips.

americanbulldog
September 13, 2003, 06:38 AM
It depends what you consider primary. I have a gunvault safe near me with a Sig 220 and a Kimber Tactical Custom. I grab one of these to get to my master closet where my Scatterguns Tech 870 Marine Magnum lies.

Border
September 13, 2003, 08:13 AM
Some of you guys sleeping with your guns need to consider dating! :D

I digress here but I've never bought in to the "SWAT Team fantasy" that imagines a scenario where a second and third gun will need to be pulled into action. I know guys who never leave the house without beingg strapped with three pieces! When have you even HEARD of a private citizen getting in this kind of scrap?! I say this only in that I was in the gun store the other day and there was this guy in "SWAT regalia" who made a big deal of my friend accidently bumping him a la DeNiro "You talking to me?!" Gives us all a bad image. Maybe I am the one who is in denial or something and I should never go from room to room without carrying but for me it is just either a 686, 1911, or a titanium .38 by the bed with as much thought to it as the fire extinguisher I keep in the home and yes I have read: "Guns Save Lives!" etc. I DO believe in having a gun ready but all over the house?!

Do any of you guys worry that the high powered loads will zip right through your house and into your neighbors? Someone told me that my .38+P's will anyway so "why not use the .357 and don't miss?" Going deaf from the .357? Sorry for going on and on. As you can guess, I am fairly new to this and don't mean to offend anyone-just asking questions.

Border
September 13, 2003, 08:19 AM
Some of you guys sleeping with your guns need to consider dating! :D

I digress here but I've never bought in to the "SWAT Team fantasy" that imagines a scenario where a second and third gun will need to be pulled into action. I know guys who never leave the house without beingg strapped with three pieces! When have you even HEARD of a private citizen getting in this kind of scrap?! I say this only in that I was in the gun store the other day and there was this guy in "SWAT regalia" who made a big deal of my friend accidently bumping him a la DeNiro "You talking to me?!" Gives us all a bad image. Maybe I am the one who is in denial or something and I should never go from room to room without carrying but for me it is just either a 686, 1911, or a titanium .38 by the bed with as much thought to it as the fire extinguisher I keep in the home and yes I have read: "Guns Save Lives!" etc. I DO believe in having a gun ready but all over the house?!

Do any of you guys worry that the high powered loads will zip right through your house and into your neighbors? Someone told me that my .38+P's will anyway so "why not use the .357 and don't miss?" Going deaf from the .357? Sorry for going on and on. As you can guess, I am fairly new to this and don't mean to offend anyone-just asking questions.

KRAUTGUNNER
September 13, 2003, 08:26 AM
Of course my Benelli Super 90 M3! Loaded with Federal 000-buckshot.

That combination converts Mr. BG to mince meat! :evil:

JeepDriver
September 13, 2003, 09:47 PM
95lb ill tempered Black Lab

4 inch GP100 w/ 125gr Gold Dot's

americanbulldog
September 14, 2003, 02:41 AM
First off, I have a home alarm system. This is backed up with a 95 lb American Bulldog bitch that sleeps with the wife and I, this is backed up by two safes on my and her nightstand. Mine, Sig 220, Kimber .45, hers, Sig 226, Sig 2340. Fifteen feet away in my master closet, Scattergun tech 870 Marine with 00 buck. If my dog don't get mr. BG, my wife will.

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