Those of you do not like 9mm


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GunLvrNLearner
September 14, 2008, 05:08 PM
I have seen several who say they do not like 9mm....if you are one of those then why not?

And what semi caliber do you like and why?

Thanks

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MarshallDodge
September 14, 2008, 05:46 PM
I never said I didn't like 9mm's I just said I didn't like Glocks. :p :neener:

Seriously, I think this is just another way to start a caliber war. :rolleyes:

9mm is what it is, you have to run at least a +P and you have to hope that it expands. Most of the time I carry a 1911 in 45 but if I go small then I carry a 9mm and am comfortable with both.

If you want a one stop shot, you have to penetrate the skull or the spine. Not sure if I can guarantee that with either one under stress but I practice to improve the odds. I hope you do the same.

500 S&W Magnum is the best. :D

Bowhunter57
September 14, 2008, 06:00 PM
GunLvrNLearner,
Trying to start a "caliber war"? :scrutiny:
Or are you attempting to choose one or the other for yourself?

If a particular caliber is working well for an individual, than that person should stick with that caliber....no matter of the "why".
I have a good friend with plenty of experience in the Marine Corps (Iraq and Afganistan), that swears by the 45acp.
However, my neighbor has 3 tours of duty in Vietnam as a Navy Seal and he wouldn't have any pistol over his 9mm.
Two different weapons, two different men with two different opinions, yet they both have experiences to back their weapon choices.

The laws of physics dictate a larger slug will transfer more energy to a particular target. However, if the target (living target) isn't mortally wounded, simply knocking them down, may not "cure" or stop the situation.

Practise and shot placement are critical. One can not be attained without the other. :)

Good hunting, Bowhunter57

GunLvrNLearner
September 14, 2008, 06:01 PM
Not critical of anyone who doesnt like 9mm...just curious of reasons and then what semi caliber they prefer and why

lee n. field
September 14, 2008, 06:47 PM
Has anyone else lost a close loved one and not been emotional? If so, do you have any idea why you weren't emotional?

It's out there abundantly. Just search on "9mm vs 45" or some variation. You'll get a zillion hits.

Everyone has an opinion, just like everyone has a, well, anyway.

I tend to be caliber agnostic. Buy what you want, shoot it. If it doesn't do what you want, sell it off and get what you think (in your present more enlightened state) will.

At this point in time, I've never owned a 9x19. I may in the future. (Great, one more cartridge to accumulate, handload for, etc.)

I don't see what 9mm does that .40 does not do better, with the exception of very small autos like the Keltec PF-9, where .40 is going to be just too much.

MMCSRET
September 14, 2008, 06:51 PM
I love the 9MM, I just love every other handgun caliber and cartridge more!!!!!

yeti
September 14, 2008, 06:55 PM
I like the 9 mil, I like the .45 a LOT more, and I don't dislike the .38 sp.

papajohn
September 14, 2008, 06:57 PM
I grew up studying ballistics charts, worshipped at the altar of velocity, suffered from "Magnumitis" for years, and while I've owned most accepted calibers for personal defense, I've never owned a 9mm. Probably never will.

Why? Simple personal preference. Anecdotal stuff. I grew up reading Elmer, Skeeter, Cooper, and they all liked boolits. Not, as someone called them, "boullettes". Is a 38 bigger than a 9? If you think .002" is enough to matter, yes. I understand that the 9mm was hampered for 80 years with lousy bullet design, and that the new stuff is good stuff, as good as anything else its size. So the 9 is fully the equal of the 38, better in some loadings. But I still don't want one.

Maybe it's because the 9mm has a tapered case, is harder to reload, and more finicky. Maybe it just doesn't LOOK like I think bullets should look. Maybe the Parabellum thing bothers me, never cared for the name. Nor Luger, either. It doesn't handle heavy bullets well, accuracy in some guns is iffy or worse, and while it might expand, it might not. It also tends to overpenetrate in human targets with FMJ bullets.

Those are my excuses, and I'm sticking to them. :neener:

PJ

Treo
September 14, 2008, 08:52 PM
I don't dislike 9mm per sť, but I've had 3 9mm pistols ( Taurus PT-92, S&W model 915 & a Llama 9mm {that I would hate regardless of what caliber it was })
that I couldn't stand.

I carry a .40 but I'm not sure if it's the cartridge I like or the fact that it's sitting in a CZ75B. DW carries a 9x18 CZ 82 that I love , so I think its more the gun than the caliber.

Maybe I should buy a 75B in 9mm and see. :)

Superfly3176
September 14, 2008, 08:56 PM
Personal preference, but like someone above said when your nervous because you have an intruder, and your life is threatened I'd like my bullets to do as much damage as possible without having to worry about shot placement.

Everything I've read is that the .45 is marginally better. Bigger wound channels, etc. Plus my dad has one and I've loved the caliber since I was 16, so it's a legacy thing I guess.

Walkalong
September 14, 2008, 09:08 PM
I could never fall in love with the 9MM, but I shot plenty of it, especially these days with ammo/bullet prices the way they are. I always loved the low BOOM and the recoil of the .45 vs the 9MM. I love the .38 Super, but I just like the 9MM.

I can say one thing, shooting a 9MM AR (http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x37/Walkalong/199MMAssembledWithRe-MountedAimpoin.jpg) is tons of fun. :D

gbran
September 14, 2008, 09:31 PM
I've heard that caliber doesn't matter and it's all about shot placement....... so I carry a .177 pellet gun.

Treo
September 14, 2008, 09:41 PM
I've heard that caliber doesn't matter and it's all about shot placement....... so I carry a .177 pellet gun.

There was a guy here in Colorado Springs who got in some deep doo doo for killing a deer in his front yard W/ .177 pellet rifle.

The columist from the Gazette ( Rich Tosches ) actually called it a " Deadly .177 caliber rifle" which I suppose it technically was.

chrismc410
September 14, 2008, 09:52 PM
I have a Argentine Sistema 1911A1 in and now a S&W 910 and I like the 9mm better, can control it better than .45 for one, two, ammo is cheaper for the 9mm than the .45., three, the 910 doesn't hurt me when I fire it like the Sistema does, due to the hammer spur.

The arguements for the .45 are, it does of course make a bigger hole, two, most collectors worth have a 1911 of some kind, three it was the only pistol I had for a long time during some financial difficulties, so some sentimental value there. With that said, both calibers coexist in my house and wouldn't hesitate to rely on either for defense.

Loomis
September 14, 2008, 10:34 PM
There's no way to conclusively prove anything one way or the other regarding 9mm+P+, 40S&W, or 45ACP. Therefore, all this debate boils down to a matter of opinion.

One thing is for certain, if you are shooting a 45ACP, you can upgrade to 45 super fairly easily and then there'd be zero debate...45super wins hands down.

Gunsby_Blazen
September 14, 2008, 10:35 PM
I LIKE ALL BULLETS!!!
I am just a range guy though who likes to mix it up....

mikitsubizunizu
September 14, 2008, 10:45 PM
I like 9mm for it's price, but I don't have one yet. If only .45 acp was as cheap... :(

Only round I don't care for is .25 auto :p

Superfly3176
September 14, 2008, 10:57 PM
I have a Argentine Sistema 1911A1 in and now a S&W 910 and I like the 9mm better, can control it better than .45 for one, two, ammo is cheaper for the 9mm than the .45., three, the 910 doesn't hurt me when I fire it like the Sistema does, due to the hammer spur.


I think that it depends on your gun. The discussion is straight on caliber, and I don't think you should compare feels of two different guns because one hurts when it fires. I put a bunch of rounds through my new XD and it's more comfortable then alot of 9mm's I've shot.

In general I think standard 1911 styled guns are bulky and uncomfortable.

VHinch
September 14, 2008, 11:02 PM
I don't have a problem with 9mm, but it's not my preference. For a backup on an ankle or in a pocket, etc, I like 9mm fine. It's a rare occasion that I carry anything smaller than a full size gun though, and in that case it's going to be a .45.

krs
September 15, 2008, 10:03 AM
VHinch Wrote:I don't have a problem with 9mm, but it's not my preference. For a backup on an ankle or in a pocket, etc, I like 9mm fine. It's a rare occasion that I carry anything smaller than a full size gun though, and in that case it's going to be a .45.

VHinch, I would be interested to hear which 9mm pistols you have carried in an ankle holster or a pocket.

VHinch
September 15, 2008, 11:02 AM
VHinch, I would be interested to hear which 9mm pistols you have carried in an ankle holster or a pocket.

Ankle - Kahr Mk9, Kahr P9, Glock 26
Pocket - Kahr Mk9

CZF
September 15, 2008, 01:01 PM
After owning .45 ACP and 10mms for years. The .45 is a weak sister.

The stopping power over a 9mm is greater to a degree with a
.40 or .45, but the 10mm is the ultimate winner for shear
power.

kcshooter
September 15, 2008, 02:28 PM
In general I think standard 1911 styled guns are bulky Wha?
Bulky?
I don't think there's many thinner .45's out there.

Walkalong
September 15, 2008, 02:47 PM
In general I think standard 1911 styled guns are bulkyThat always kills me. Then they talk about something like a Beretta 9MM. :banghead: :)

skers69
September 15, 2008, 09:23 PM
I can tell you that once upon a time I was a huge 9mm hater...circa 1988 till 2005. What changed....well ammo for +9mm and regular pressure 9mm bonded rounds have improved the bullet a ton and it took me a while and some testing to figure it out. And I have found a couple of guns that seem perfect for the 9mm...CZ PCR and G26.

Now I can understand why someone would only shoot 45's or 357mags, I use to be that guy. It all comes down to personal preference. I hope this tread stays open for a while...because I do like to see others opinions.

loop
September 16, 2008, 07:25 AM
More than a dozen years ago I decided to limit my handloads for pistols to three calibers. Then I cut it down to one. When I made the choice to cut it to one I sold all of my 9s and settled on .45 ACP.

It makes sense. I buy one type of bullet, three types of powder and one type of primer and service a safe-full of guns.

Yeah, .45 bullets cost me more, but I buy them in such large quantities that they cost about the same as 9s. I pay about $4 a box for my .45s.

Another reason is I enjoy shooting competitively. I shoot Bull's Eye once a week and IDPA twice a month. The 9 just doesn't cut it for Bull's Eye. Even if you shoot 148-grain bullets you can't stabilize them enough to yield winning accuracy.

I shoot my Bull's Eye load in IDPA. In IDPA steel poppers have to be hit just right for a 9 to knock them over. A .45 just has to hit the big circle part and it falls.

I don't hate 9s. I have no use for them. I also know from shooting aobut 10,000 rounds a year for a few decades they are not the equal of the .45 for much of anything.

SJgunguy24
September 16, 2008, 08:07 AM
I love my 9mm Glock 17 and 26. Inexpensive to shoot. Ammo selection is endless,no matter what kind of shooting you may be doing. Capacity cram a bunch in and go. The all important follow up shot/failure drill. Recoil (for me) is nonexistant. Also what I find to be a huge advantage with the Glock system is changing calibers. Just build up a new slide and slap it on,your 9mm is a .40 now.

golden
September 16, 2008, 03:40 PM
I like the 9m.m., but if you want more power, the .40 S&W is an excellent caliber. I would carry a 9m.m. with +P ammo in preference to a .40.
On the other hand, if I wanted a longer range pistol or a power advantage. I would use my BERETTA 96 with .40 caliber 155 grain loads.
I prefer a smaller grip, so I usually skip the .45 ACP. It will work fine as well with a good hollowpoint

Just find the gun you like the most and if possible, rent it in 9m.m. and another caliber to compare. I used to carry a 9m.m. GLOCK 17 and thought it was great. When I bought a GLOCk 22 in .40 S&W, I found it kicked too hard for me, but the BERETTA 96 works great in .40 caliber.

It is just what works for you.

Jim

frankd4
September 16, 2008, 03:47 PM
According to FBI statistics more people in the USA are killed with .22ís then any other caliber what matters most is that no matter what you shoot that you shoot it well, shot placement is everything!

jws527
September 16, 2008, 05:42 PM
I don't see what 9mm does that .40 does not do better, with the exception of very small autos like the Keltec PF-9, where .40 is going to be just too much.I can think of at least thing 9x19 does better: keeping money in your pocket. ;)

My lone handgun is a P229 in .40, and I'll be damned if I didn't wish I had a 9mm every time I thought about going out to the range. While 9mm is not as cheap as it once was, there's still an 8-9 cent difference per round between the two when you're purchasing range ammo, which quickly adds up (literally $8 per box).

It has gotten to the point where I almost never shoot the handgun, because 7.62x39 and the various surplus Milsurp rifle calibers cost less to shoot over time than .40. :(

I've been told that I'll be glad I have the .40 if I ever have to use it in self defense, but honestly I don't feel that way - I'd be far more proficient with it if I shot it regularly, and I'd shoot it regularly if the ammo for it were somewhat cheaper.

I suppose none of this would be an issue if I wasn't on a graduate student budget, but I have to live in the here and now, not the past or the future.

MTS840
September 16, 2008, 05:58 PM
I have seen several who say they do not like 9mm....if you are one of those then why not?

I don't get it either.

I guess while our Special Forces guys are busy killing terrorists in Fallujah or Kabul with the 9mm, it isn't enough to impress the "real" experts here on internet gun forums.

Ala Dan
September 16, 2008, 06:37 PM
I will tell you why I like the 9m/m~! :uhoh:

It will shoot much flatter, over a longer distance than either a .40S&W
or a .45ACP; when using a quality firearm, as produced my one of the
major manufactuer'ers. True, this only matters in "target shooting"; but
its a good round; and has been in use in Europe as a self-defense round
for many, many moons~! :scrutiny: ;) :D

grendelbane
September 16, 2008, 07:29 PM
It is not so much that I don't like the 9mm, it is just that I like other cartridges more.

9mm does have some advantages, and some disadvantages. I prefer my .38Super, but with a spare barrel, I can shoot the cheaper 9mm. Best of both worlds!

CountGlockula
September 16, 2008, 07:34 PM
#23rd Rule of Gunfighting:

Do not attend a gun fight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with a "4."

Meowhead
September 16, 2008, 09:21 PM
9mm, you've got to be kidding me. It's worse than useless. Any bad guy can shrug off a hit if he's wearing a leather jacket or a nice lacy teddy, and that SHOT PLACEMENT won't help you at all when the bullet bounces off teeth or follows the bone at the back of the eye socket and comes flying back at you.

lee n. field
September 16, 2008, 11:39 PM
I can think of at least thing 9x19 does better: keeping money in your pocket.

My lone handgun is a P229 in .40, and I'll be damned if I didn't wish I had a 9mm every time I thought about going out to the range. While 9mm is not as cheap as it once was, there's still an 8-9 cent difference per round between the two when you're purchasing range ammo, which quickly adds up (literally $8 per box).

I handload the vast majority of the .40 I shoot, using bullets I have cast myself.

So there.:neener:

Corporal K
September 16, 2008, 11:48 PM
I handload the vast majority of the .40 I shoot, using bullets I have cast myself.

You desperately need more hobbies. Or a woman. :cool:

jdc1244
September 16, 2008, 11:52 PM
9mm is a classic and must-own, imo. Find a gun you like chambered for it and enjoy.

kcshooter
September 17, 2008, 01:03 AM
I don't see what 9mm does that .40 does not do betterI don't see anything that .40 does so much better than 9mm to cause me to want to shoot a round I have less control over followup shots with.

MTS840
September 17, 2008, 01:55 AM
I don't see what 9mm does that .40 does not do better

You mean besides having less felt recoil, muzzle flip and that ammo costs less to practice with?

Not to mention that modern 9mm handguns tend to be more reliable and have a longer service life than their .40 S&W counterparts.

Other than that, I can't think of a thing...

Mickstix
September 17, 2008, 03:18 AM
9mm, you've got to be kidding me. It's worse than useless. Any bad guy can shrug off a hit if he's wearing a leather jacket or a nice lacy teddy

Paalleeease.. If he can shrug off 10-15 hollow points about his head neck and chest, his ass can have me.. :rolleyes:

Note to the OP: I've only been on the site since mid July and I've already seen "numberous" threads on this very subject.. A quick "search" under 9mm and you should have enough reading to keep ya busy for a few days! ;)

saltydog452
September 17, 2008, 12:25 PM
For me, its about the platform.

If I could get a reliable .45 cal platform the size and weight of a Colt P9 9X19, Kahr, etc, that'd be kinda nice.

A double wide .45 with the same handling/carry characteristics of a BHP 9X19 would be kinda nice also.

There is a place for for mouse guns too. Not much stoping ability in a .22rf SA revolver maybe.

Again, to me, platform is more important than caliber.

salty

wingman
September 17, 2008, 12:57 PM
I enjoy shooting all calibers but find myself normally doing better with 45acp,
so if I could have only one 45 would be my answer.:)

jocko
September 17, 2008, 01:48 PM
I just like shooting and I mean alot, I don't reload any more so the 9mm fills my bill. I have total cofidence it can also do the job. Can a 45 cal do better??maybe so, but so can the 50 cal. that debate will never end, so choose what you want, shoot what you want. Maybe own a 9, 40 and 45, then you can join in any gun conversation as an absolute "auithority".

420Stainless
September 17, 2008, 10:23 PM
9mm is ok, but I've never owned one. I feel that I can control the .45ACP and .40S&W well, so I go with the more powerful cartridges. Also, most wondernines (and .40S&W) have a grip that is larger than I find comfortable. The BHP has a nice grip size and I intend to get one in 9mm rather than .40S&W since that is its traditional caliber. I'm also attracted to the CZ75 style and may get one despite the grip size. But any nine I get will be for fun, not SD.

easyg
September 18, 2008, 12:08 AM
According to FBI statistics more people in the USA are killed with .22’s then any other caliber what matters most is that no matter what you shoot that you shoot it well, shot placement is everything!
Here's what "the stats" don't tell you....
Yeah, lots of folks are killed with the .22, but very few are quickly stopped with the .22 caliber.

You might shoot an attacker with your .22, only to have the attacker still advance and bash your skull in with a baseball bat.
Later the attacker drives himself to the local ER, where he dies....hours after he has killed you.

Shot placement is of primary importance for sure....
you have to hit your target in order to stop your target.

But caliber is important too....
you have to hit your target with a powerful enough caliber to convince the attacker to cease all aggression toward you RIGHT FREAK'N NOW!!!

I don't dislike the 9mm....I just like the .40 and the .45 more. ;)

VPLthrneck
September 18, 2008, 03:51 AM
Because most of them are not C&R eligible yet. :D

And before anyone points it out, I'm don't count the 9X18 Makarov as the 9mm.

Seven For Sure
September 18, 2008, 10:44 AM
I don't like it as much as 40, 10mm or 357sig. I do carry it more than any other caliber though because of what guns I have in 9mm. I need to fix that and buy a P40. I'm not one of these guys that says it's weak or incapable of one shot stops. I just prefer everything about the 40. I like the wider meplats the truncated bullets offer especially in HP's. The extra weight and diameter does'nt hurt either. 9mm is the best caliber for those who are recoil sensitive IMO.

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