EAA Witness Match 9mm mags problems


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SureThing
September 14, 2008, 08:14 PM
As some of you know, I just got a Elite Match in 9mm. It shoots like a dream, but the mags are a bit picky. I had the mag falling out issue that someone else has had. I have even adjusted the tab out to help them stay in. But upon close inspection, it appears the problem with the mag well is too large.

It goes into the mag release tab and is held tight if you load the mag with some force, pressing it towards the front of the grip. If you load it with average force, and don't push to wards the front of the grip, it does not engage all the way into the mag release.

If you take the grips off, you will see towards the bottom of the grip, there is about a 1mm or so, space between the mag and the rear of the frame.

Anyone else have a 9mm or .40 with mag issues like this?

Is this normal with the large framed EAA's?

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hags
September 14, 2008, 08:35 PM
Sounds like you got a bum magazine. Have you tried any other mags?

I own a few EAA EMs and Limiteds, none have any issues or problems. I've sold dozens of EAA EM pistols and none of them have had any problems.

I'd take it back to where you got it and let them have a go at it.

You're the first person that I've heard have a problem of this nature.

Shoulda bought from me , you woudn't be having this problem.

SureThing
September 14, 2008, 08:39 PM
I have 4 mags, all factory, and they all do it. I had my local gun dealer get it for me. He had to order it, but I have done business with him in the past.

Plus, why buy a gun on line, when I can buy it locally for the same price :)

hags
September 14, 2008, 09:15 PM
'cause I don't sell garbage and when you lead people to believe you'll buy from them you should follow through. :D

Maybe your mag. release is the issue.

If you're getting mags for $25, there are not factory EAA/Tanfoglio magazines.

SureThing
September 14, 2008, 09:27 PM
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/54977-36.html

This looks factory, and the item number looks correct.

hags
September 14, 2008, 09:33 PM
What looks factory? There is no picture available.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Maybe they're rejects, out of spec. etc... and that's why the problems.

boogalou
September 14, 2008, 10:09 PM
The problem may be your mag release. Tanfoglio came out with a better release back in 2004 to address this problem. Go to Henning Walgren's site to check out the replacement -

http://henningshootsguns.com/shop/frameparts.html

More info here - http://henningshootsguns.com/tech/tech.tanfoglio.magrelease.html

Hope this helps you.

ultramag44
September 14, 2008, 10:15 PM
Hags Said: If you're getting mags for $25, there are not factory EAA/Tanfoglio magazines.


Sorry hags; My dealer sold me factory Tanfoglio mags, in the factory bag w/ the factory stickers for $21.50

My .45 match also had the mag drop issue w/ all 3 mags.

Cure: bend out the tab a few thousands, and sand the top of the plastic mag base.

SureThing
September 14, 2008, 10:17 PM
Even bending the tags out a bit, you have to insert the mag right, if you don't then it does not catch for me.

Ultramag, what do you think about the slide wearing on one side, but not the other. I has about 75 rounds through it now.

SureThing
September 14, 2008, 10:18 PM
Looking at the mag release, I have a the newer one, but I think if I took mine out and filed it down on the top side it would help a bit.

hags
September 14, 2008, 10:31 PM
I feel sorry for your dealer. He either lost money or I don't know what.

Do they have the rail on the inside front of the magazine?

SureThing
September 14, 2008, 10:32 PM
Yes mine does. Says Tangfolio on the base, and came with a stupid pink warning tag in the bag were EAA washes it's hands if the mags don't work. But I paid $25 for mine. Remember, I bought 3 mags and the gun from the dealer.

Gunfighter123
September 14, 2008, 10:33 PM
I found/read that you need to sand the plastic mag pad a bit --- it is a little big and will only lock up IF you really "slam" the mag in --- take it off and sand the top a little and it will lock much more positive.

hags
September 14, 2008, 10:37 PM
Yes mine does. Says Tangfolio on the base, and came with a stupid pink warning tag in the bag were EAA washes it's hands if the mags don't work. But I paid $25 for mine. Remember, I bought 3 mags and the gun from the dealer.

Ok, they sound like EAA/Tanfoglio magazines to me. Whatever, there are old mags floating around and they were upgraded for a reason.

Wonder what the problem you're having is, spring, mag. catch seem small or fitted wrong?

Also, like I mentioned on your other thread the wear on one rail versus the other is, or shouldn't be, a concern.

SureThing
September 14, 2008, 10:57 PM
I was just curious if others had wear only one one side of the slide, or if it was just mine.

ultramag44
September 14, 2008, 11:06 PM
SureThing Said:
Ultramag, what do you think about the slide wearing on one side, but not the other. I has about 75 rounds through it now.


SureThing: keep a close eye on it. Disassemble the pistol and look for any abnomalities. It just may be a finish thing. if anything looks wrong, STOP shooting the gun!

hags said: I feel sorry for your dealer. He either lost money or I don't know what.


hags, Here's what you don't know. I am a very loyal be-och to my dealer. I buy 99% of my guns from him, or he handles the transfers. He makes $$ every time.

I bring food, either bought, or homemade to the gun shop.

When he has been very busy, I've shown guns to other prospective customers, described the guns features, and sold them on buying the gun.

That's why he sold me mags @ just above his cost. I can also just say: "I want that gun", and put it in the store safe without putting down any deposit $$.

Right then, any questions?

hags
September 14, 2008, 11:16 PM
Quote:
hags said: I feel sorry for your dealer. He either lost money or I don't know what.

hags, Here's what you don't know. I am a very loyal be-och to my dealer. I buy 99% of my guns from him, or he handles the transfers. He makes $$ every time.

I bring food, either bought, or homemade to the gun shop.

When he has been very busy, I've shown guns to other prospective customers, described the guns features, and sold them on buying the gun.

That's why he sold me mags @ just above his cost. I can also just say: "I want that gun", and put it in the store safe without putting down any deposit $$.

Right then, any questions?

None for you.

If your .45 had the same issues then they sound like defective mags as well. The question wasn't about magazine prices. I've moved on already, why don't you?

That's nice of you to bring food, anything else you do for him on the side?

That's below dealer cost, so I questioned it, any questions?
:evil:

atblis
September 14, 2008, 11:18 PM
That's below dealer cost, so I questioned it, any questions?
How long have you been dealing with EAA?

hags
September 14, 2008, 11:27 PM
Quote:
That's below dealer cost, so I questioned it, any questions?

How long have you been dealing with EAA?

What does that have to do with anything?

Ok, I just got off my fat ass and grabbed my EAA dealer price list.

You are correct, I was $10 off.

I'll go take the size 13 out of my mouth now.

:o

atblis
September 14, 2008, 11:44 PM
What does that have to do with anything?
I thought perhaps you hadn't dealt with them much. If so, you'll probably find that they're a bit quirky (to put it nicely).

hags
September 14, 2008, 11:48 PM
No, I sometimes speak without thinking or checking my facts, my bad.

I have dealt with them on numerous occasions over the last few years. I am on dealer direct pricing with them.
Contrary to seemingly everyone else's experiences I haven't had a problem with them.

hags
September 14, 2008, 11:50 PM
I was watching Zambrano's no hitter and not paying attention to details.
I do apologize.

loop
September 15, 2008, 05:01 AM
Hate to throw in a curve-ball here, but Tanfoglio (the maker of the gun) mags all have an orange follower. If yours does not have an orange follower it is not a Tanfoglio mag.

I have a bag of followers and Wolff Springs. Chances are if you have a silver-colored mag it is not OE. The silver ones will work fine as long as you "fit" an OW follower.

I usually replace the bas pad of the mag at the same time, but if you are budget-minded you don't want to know I pay $40 for machined aluminum base pads...

Because you are shooting 9mm, I'd guess all you need is a mag spacer. The EAA guns are all large frame. They are designed for .45s. Mags for smaller calibers require a spacer to be 100 percent.

atblis
September 15, 2008, 07:19 AM
Do you mean all Tanfoglio mags, because I have some that have red followers, and some that have black followers? All factory mags. In fact, I have none with orange followers.

hags
September 15, 2008, 08:49 AM
Everything I have in stock, have in stock with the pistols, and have sold with the pistols has/had an orange follower.

They have the rail inside the front of the magazine also.

I know mine are geniune Tanfoglio magazines bought from EAA.

hags
September 15, 2008, 09:04 AM
I think the black followers maybe older models. Everything I've gotten within the last year and a half has the orange followers.
This is for both complete guns and seperate factory mags.

Grayrider
September 15, 2008, 09:24 AM
Orange follower with front rail should be the recent or current large frame 9mm mags. At first they used essentially the same mag as the .38 Super, but in some guns the short 9mm would not feed properly from those mags so they made ones with the front rail or track. You could try Super mags to see if they work for you. My long gone 9mm Stock ran fine with either type after my smith tweaked it a little.

John

hags
September 15, 2008, 09:29 AM
Yes, I believe those are refered to as "2005" models. Orange follower, front rail inside of the magazine.
The 45s don't have the rail as they don't need it.

SureThing
September 15, 2008, 09:38 AM
I called EAA who said to send the mags in and they would replace them. The guy there was very nice.

I'm going to check with my dealer I got it from, maybe he can help me out a bit.

EDIT: I just called the dealer I got it from who said he would send it to EAA for me, that way we can ship via USPS. Also he said if I could get a mag release, he would install it for me.

hags
September 15, 2008, 09:50 AM
Good deal!

SureThing
September 15, 2008, 09:54 AM
Yet another update. I just called back to see if they would send out a replacment mag relase, they would not.

I got a differet guy by the name of Guss. The other guy I spoke with had never heard of the issue, Guss said the problem is with the mag base plates being too think and they need to be adjusted.

To send the gun in and the mags and they would adjust them.

floydster
September 15, 2008, 10:59 AM
You can get factory mags from Bud's for $20.
I have just bought a 38 super Match and it runs great, my mags have red followers.
Floydster a.k.a. Smokeyloads

SureThing
September 15, 2008, 11:05 AM
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/54977

Yep, right there. They have some listed under EAA and others listed under other mags.

At any rate, shipping is $9.

GZOh
September 15, 2008, 12:25 PM
hags... you seem to have a good handle on Tanfoglio...
I understand they make the MAP1 9mm for Armscor... What's your 'feed' on that gun... any good... ever sold one/shot one?

(BTW: ya think Zambrano's goin to the Yanks?... he threw a great game!!... Pinella's the man!)

hags
September 15, 2008, 12:49 PM
hags... you seem to have a good handle on Tanfoglio...
I understand they make the MAP1 9mm for Armscor... What's your 'feed' on that gun... any good... ever sold one/shot one?

(BTW: ya think Zambrano's goin to the Yanks?... he threw a great game!!... Pinella's the man!)

Yes, he did throw a great game, best I think I've seen out of a Cub's pitcher in years. That includes Woody's 20 K game in '98(?).

No, I don't think he'll go to the Yanks, he's number one here, I don't think there is a desire on either his part or management's.

I own/sell alot of EAA/Tanfoglio pistols. I don't know that I have any more of a handle on them than anyone else. I do know that they make really good stuff, EMs and Limiteds are standouts.
I've heard really good things about the MAP1 (online and trade publications) but have not handled nor sold any. I have not had anyone ask me to order one so that'll have to wait.

I think I'm going to pick up a CZ Phantom for myself and do a fullboat mod and trigger job on it. I've talked to Angus from CZ Custom and he says they're candidates for all of the usually SP-01 work.

SureThing
September 15, 2008, 02:11 PM
UPDATE: IT IS THE MAG BASE PLATES.

One o fthe 4 mags I have does not have this problem. I thought I had checked all for, but obviously I did not.

When we measure the mag that worked to the mags that did not work, the base plat was 20 thousands thinner.

So the base plates are too snug.

SureThing
September 15, 2008, 03:35 PM
Another update:

Sanded downt he top of the other 3 mag base plates, and they work perfect!!!

As a side note, the other mag that did work, appears to have been sanded also, you can see the lines in it. This mag is new, and came from the wholesaler this way. Which means to me, EAA had a bad run, and just so happened caught a few of them before they went out.

wally
September 15, 2008, 04:02 PM
If you're getting mags for $25, there are not factory EAA/Tanfoglio magazines.

Not true, if you buy two or more at a time straight from EAA its $25 each + shipping which was about $7.95 for mine.

Yes, the standard base plates are too thick for the Match guns.

--wally.

hags
September 15, 2008, 04:07 PM
Wally,

I've already corrected myself in this thread. That is above dealer cost.

I have not run into any of these problems, either with a personal gun or customer gun.

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