Most durable 9mm, .40 S&W and .45


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Irfan
September 15, 2008, 12:51 AM
In your experience what is the most durable 9mm pistol? What about .40 S&W and .45 ACP? Any owner of a shooting range here?

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Superfly3176
September 15, 2008, 12:55 AM
I hear Para Ordinance is good for .45 ACP

Thernlund
September 15, 2008, 01:10 AM
In my experience, most guns from reputable manufactures are pretty durable.

But I expect that we're talking hypothetical extremes. In that case, Glock, XD, and M&P all come to mind.


-T.

Artiz
September 15, 2008, 06:34 PM
Are you talking about polymer pistols, or any pistol.
Based on what I saw and read, in the past years, the Sig P226 is really durable.

searcher451
September 15, 2008, 07:14 PM
Well, here's a vote for the Walther-designed P.38 line of pistols that pre-dated the start of the Second World War. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of them in existence around the world to this day, and they are still treasured by collectors and shooters alike and are considered to be highly reliable and accurate firearms, 60-plus years later.

Treo
September 15, 2008, 07:23 PM
9mm CZ75B

.40 S&W CZ75B

.45 ACP CZ97B

they're all heavy steel pistols well made, reasonably priced and reliable

Thernlund
September 15, 2008, 07:27 PM
+1 for the CZ. Very solid pistol with a nice price tag.


-T.

Treo
September 15, 2008, 07:39 PM
Of course no discussion of durability would be complete W/out the following from Jorg

Originally posted by Jorg

However, in just a few minutes, a Glock fanboy will come by and post a link to a test where a Glock was put in a blender filled with Drano, sulfuric acid, Coca-Cola, piranha, and 2 pounds of industrial diamonds. A CAT D8 bulldozer was then dropped on it from 1000 feet. The owner picked up the Glock, chambered a 155mm HE round, hit a post-it note at 917 miles, and then proceeded to run 726,761 rounds of Wolf ammo coated with Gorilla Glue with no failures.

JZ06
September 15, 2008, 07:45 PM
9mm there have been a few.
Sig P226(tank, NEVER did anything but bang bang bang!)
Sig P239(ftf ONCE with hp's, only once, otherwise, SOLID)
Beretta PX4, neck and neck tie with my glock 19c, 3950 rds through the one I had, and it functioned PERFECTLY
Smith and Wesson Model 59 100 percent reliable.
Glock 19c, "perfection" I don't need to say more!

I'm not a fan of .40 so I'll jump right to .45

Glock 21C
My friends Glock 21S/F
My friends Taurus PT-145(I had the same gun, mine wasn't as good as His)
Beretta PX4 .45
Springfield Armory 1911-A1
CZ-97B

Supertac45
September 15, 2008, 07:49 PM
Sig 220, 226, and 229.

Thernlund
September 15, 2008, 07:49 PM
9mm there have been a few.
Sig P226(tank, NEVER did anything but bang bang bang!)
Sig P239(ftf ONCE with hp's, only once, otherwise, SOLID)
Beretta PX4, neck and neck tie with my glock 19c, 3950 rds through the one I had, and it functioned PERFECTLY
Smith and Wesson Model 59 100 percent reliable.
Glock 19c, "perfection" I don't need to say more!

I'm not a fan of .40 so I'll jump right to .45

Glock 21C
My friends Glock 21S/F
My friends Taurus PT-145(I had the same gun, mine wasn't as good as His)
Beretta PX4 .45
Springfield Armory 1911-A1
CZ-97B
As I said in my first post... most reputable manufacturers. ;)


-T.

The Lone Haranguer
September 15, 2008, 08:05 PM
Few of us have the time or money to shoot every make and model of gun to destruction, but I would have to say that the Smith & Wesson "third-gens" in all stainless steel are some of the most durable guns in all three calibers.

DWARREN123
September 15, 2008, 08:14 PM
9mm and 40 S&W, Glock.

LCTitan
September 15, 2008, 10:46 PM
Very tough to beat any Glock for durability and reliability in 9mm, 40S&W or 45ACP.

Fat Boy
September 15, 2008, 11:12 PM
However, in just a few minutes, a Glock fanboy will come by and post a link to a test where a Glock was put in a blender filled with Drano, sulfuric acid, Coca-Cola, piranha, and 2 pounds of industrial diamonds. A CAT D8 bulldozer was then dropped on it from 1000 feet. The owner picked up the Glock, chambered a 155mm HE round, hit a post-it note at 917 miles, and then proceeded to run 726,761 rounds of Wolf ammo coated with Gorilla Glue with no failures.

This may be the funniest quote I have ever read...It was well worth the Diet Coke shooting from my nose-

Javelin
September 15, 2008, 11:33 PM
Personal experience...

Glock
Glock and....
Glock

:)

Glock-IT
September 16, 2008, 10:17 AM
9mm- Glock Hands Down. Maybe Tanfoglio Witness..
40 S&W- Glock or XD
45acp- Springfield 1911A1 Loaded.

NG VI
September 16, 2008, 10:28 AM
Surprised no one mentioned HK yet, the USP is an incredibly durable pistol, but still not as durable as its big brother, the ultimate pistol, the MK 23 SOCOM.

Glockorama
September 16, 2008, 10:33 AM
Well, I see everyone is picking thier favorites, and they are all fine guns, and quite durable. But I can't believe, on a question of being most durable that the Ruger autopistols have not been mentioned. They are not my personal first-choice preference, but they are built like tanks.

NG VI
September 16, 2008, 10:39 AM
I think for 9mm the CZ 75 is going to be a tough one to beat.

kolob10
September 16, 2008, 10:46 AM
Glock 19,23 and SIG 229

Water-Man
September 16, 2008, 10:49 AM
XD, Glock & Ruger.

Artiz
September 16, 2008, 11:06 AM
Anyway, everybody will post their own gun, without paying attention to other guns on the market wich is completely human I believe, but they will post their own gun that most of the time have never been "tested", dropped, hit by a baseball bat, etc.
It's normal, and I find it to be funny after a time... ;)

Glock-IT
September 16, 2008, 11:33 AM
Yes, I mentioned mine, but I have owned hundreds of others and I still believe my post as some of the best in my opinion.

Smaug
September 16, 2008, 11:47 AM
In my experience, the most durable 45 is the Ruger P90.

I had one experience in which I shot a squib load, which never left the barrel. Not realizing it was a squib, I fired the next shot (not a squib!) into that one.

The recoil didn't feel right, but I didn't even realize what had happened until I saw that the slide was halfway between forward and backward, and it wouldn't budge.

The second shot had run into the first one and knocked them both out of the barrel, but had bulged the barrel in the meantime. It was locked up solid, but it didn't blow up in my hand, which I'm thankful for.

Only a couple times did I try hot 45 loads, like +P+ levels. It didn't hiccup (the Ruger P90 was originally going to be a 10mm) but they weren't as accurate as regular pressure loads either.

glockman19
September 16, 2008, 12:53 PM
IMHO,

9mm - Glock 17/19/26/34

.40 - Hk P2000 or Sig P220,226, 229

.45 - 1911 by Colt, Kimber, Springfield, Les Baer

Treo
September 16, 2008, 02:13 PM
I posted a thread awhile back asking who had a gun older than 100 years, somebody posted that they owned a fusil from 1742.

So maybe we should revisit this discussion in 2274

Doogy
September 16, 2008, 02:23 PM
In my mind, the 3rd Generation Smith & Wessons are hard to beat. Forged stainless slides and frames, will digest any ammo (even empty cases!) and a reasonable price.

CountGlockula
September 16, 2008, 02:45 PM
Shot over 6-7K rounds out of them, trained with them and abuse them...yet they're still working as new.

straitR
September 16, 2008, 04:48 PM
Love them or hate them and say they're soulless, Glocks have proven over the last 25+ years that they deserve a seat at the "most reliable" table.

My votes...

9mm = G17/19 or P226
.40 = G22/23 or P22x
.45acp = HK Mk23 then G21/P220

aka108
September 16, 2008, 09:35 PM
In 9mm, the Star 30M would be my pick for durability. Heavy, simple and not too pretty. Just shoots and shoots. Only simi auto that has not hung up for me. They also eject the cases in a nice little pile so picking up is easy.

jonmerritt
September 16, 2008, 11:47 PM
beretta 9 mm

jocko
September 17, 2008, 12:06 PM
humm: are we dropping these off 15 story buildings or running over them with a semi, or trying to shoot them under water???? None of these traits are part of my criteria to own a "good" handgun. Most of these gun makers out there make damn good and durable handguns. I buy for my particular needs. For range use,I like a bigger gun, mostly all metal with good sites. For personal carry the smaller the better and 9mm and above is my preference (actually 9mm is my choice). I then want lite weight, small, decent trigger pull, some bells and whistles, no external safety features. Then you are eliminating some companies right off the bat, not due to lack of quality or durablility but do to the criteria I have set out for my carry gun, and completly vice-versa for my range and home gun. Probably my G19 could be dropped off a 15 story building and come up shooting but it won't fit in my pocket, so although I own it and love it, it is not my choice for ccw.

Sometimes these questions asked are totally impossable to answer due to circumstances.....

benderx4
September 17, 2008, 06:01 PM
One of the guys on the HK forum regularly takes one of his HKs and puts them through torture tests. Upwards of 10,000 and 20,000 rounds with all kinds of "obstacles" thrown in to see how the guns hold up. (For example, one test is to see how the gun does after not being cleaned for several thousand rounds)

Take a look on the HKPro forum and see for yourself. Use the search function - I believe the last two guns he has done are the P30 and the P2000. The results speak for themselves. The HKs are built to last .... and last .... and last..

gwnorth
September 17, 2008, 06:15 PM
I say SIG Sauer P226-9mm....


...just 'cause I bought one today :D

jocko
September 17, 2008, 06:25 PM
I guess the question to ask is just how many of us have ever shot a gun till it's "death"???? How many have ever shot 10,000 rounds out of their weapon???My bet is that 99% don't fall into either category. So why worry about 20 or 30,000 rounds, Most won't live long enough to do it, Most don't want to do it. Most certainy can't afford to do it. Glocks can be made to shoot underwater---damn I just gotta have that feature, never know when you will need that!!!If you love your glocks, sig, hk, rugers, smiths, colts and any others good for you. Just shoot um like you stole it, for you can argue this thread till the cows come home and most don't really give a damn..

Magnus1959
September 17, 2008, 07:15 PM
Glock fanboy
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to use that phrase.

mpmarty
September 17, 2008, 07:27 PM
Most reliable 45acp? Thompson Center Contender, no doubt. Never fails to feed, extract or eject.

As far as reliable, long lasting, most durable goes, who cares? 1911s have been with us for nearly a century and folks are citing newbie Glock as an example of longevity. When the plastic quits outgassing and turns to powder what will they say? This is a non viable argument akin to fairies dancing on the head of a pin. Will it shoot 25,000 rounds without wearing out? I know my 1911s and Witness all steel pistols will, so what? So will a glock if you don't get tired of gripping a brick with all the elemental beauty of a dog turd.

Omaney
September 17, 2008, 07:33 PM
In my mind, the 3rd Generation Smith & Wessons are hard to beat. Forged stainless slides and frames, will digest any ammo (even empty cases!) and a reasonable price.

I can only +1 this. I've had my 5904 for nearly 20 years. It is quite durable and exceptionally dependable.

MassMan
September 17, 2008, 08:03 PM
I must agree most of us will never shoot our guns enough to see them self destruct. I only wish I could afford to shoot enough rounds to destroy any one of my guns.

Shrinkmd
September 18, 2008, 12:46 AM
Maybe with a .40 cal? Aren't they supposed to be pretty tough on the frame due to shooting hot loads out of essentially a 9mm design? Still, 20k rounds adds up to about $6,000 these days. I guess if you buy that much ammo you get the pistol free...

Plus, S&W would probably replace it under warranty.

atblis
September 18, 2008, 12:54 AM
Still, 20k rounds adds up to about $6,000 these days.
Where do you buy your 9mm? Blaser Brass is $9 at walmart (not $15).

Hawaiian
September 18, 2008, 01:05 AM
Well, if I take durable to mean how many rounds you can shoot without cleaning the gun, then I gotta give it to Glock.

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