Follow up: Charges dropped, gun at Pelosi's hotel


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scottgun
September 15, 2008, 06:55 PM
It's always nice to see how these stories end up. No charges filed as most here expected, he didn't do anything wrong after all.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/sep/15/no-charges-man-guns-pelosis-dnc-hotel/

Prosecutors say no charges will be filed against a man who was arrested after causing a weapons scare during the Democratic convention.

Joseph Calanchini of Pinedale, Wyo., was arrested on suspicion of unlawfully carrying a weapon on Aug. 23. Police say he had two hunting rifles and two pistols in a case when he tried checking in to the Denver hotel where House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was staying.

Pelosi was evacuated.

Denver DA's spokeswoman Robin Finegan said today police never presented the case to prosecutors. Police did not immediately have additional information.

Calanchini has said he didn't know about the convention or that Pelosi was at the hotel.

He says he's relieved the case is closed but he hasn't gotten his guns back.

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Larry E
September 15, 2008, 06:59 PM
Unfortunately he hasn't gotten his guns back. It's nice to know that we have a privileged class in the country - politicians - who have to be "protected" no matter whose civil rights are infringed. :cuss:

ArmedBear
September 15, 2008, 07:02 PM
That's why I'd throw the things in a duffel bag.

Mr White
September 15, 2008, 07:08 PM
I'm sure he'll get his guns back.... as soon as he produces receipts for each of them. That seems to be the common tactic lately.

insidious_calm
September 15, 2008, 07:10 PM
I'd bet a six pack that he really wasn't breaking the law. If he really was he WOULD have been charged. If he was not in fact breaking the law then felony deprivation charges should be brought against all officers involved. I agree his situational awareness appears to have been lacking, but that does not excuse his arrest for a "non-crime". Those making such arguments look silly.


I.C.

Treo
September 15, 2008, 07:11 PM
I'm thinking it's time to get a good Pro 2A lawyer

Standing Wolf
September 15, 2008, 07:25 PM
Once in a great while, a person needs an assault lawyer. This is one of those times.

ArmedBear
September 15, 2008, 07:28 PM
They probably just didn't think that Pelosi could be trusted around guns.

DaveBeal
September 15, 2008, 07:34 PM
Thanks for updating us on this, scottgun. The consensus from previous discussion was that he was violating no law. It's good to see the authorities acknowledge that.

romma
September 15, 2008, 07:38 PM
I can see her face now as they tell her that no charges would be filed...

Welcome to outside your world Nancy!

Glad to hear common sense finally revailed in this matter.

scrat
September 15, 2008, 07:40 PM
i hope they get their guns back

Jorg Nysgerrig
September 15, 2008, 07:47 PM
I can see her face now as they tell her that no charges would be filed...

I suspect she hasn't lost any sleep over this incident and won't in the future.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes him to get his guns back.

Sistema1927
September 15, 2008, 08:08 PM
GIVE HIM BACK HIS GUNS! NOW!!!

Yes, I am yelling.

Hk91-762mm
September 15, 2008, 08:54 PM
I understand he was on his way to a huting trip--NO Doubt He lost his deposit on the trip and Now has lost the oppertunity to go at all--Sound like a lawsuit to me --I hope the GUNRIGHTS groups Put Up Insted of shutup !!

crebralfix
September 15, 2008, 09:24 PM
That's armed theft of property. Someone needs to be charged and a lawsuit filed for violation of his rights. Good luck, though.

ServiceSoon
September 15, 2008, 10:49 PM
Someone needs to be charged and a lawsuit filed for violation of his rights.That person would be Joseph. And I agree.

mgkdrgn
September 15, 2008, 11:35 PM
Thanks for updating us on this, scottgun. The consensus from previous discussion was that he was violating no law. It's good to see the authorities acknowledge that.

I wonder how many tens of thousands of $'s this poor shmuck had to spend to figure that out for them?

Kind of Blued
September 16, 2008, 06:12 AM
The guy sounded like a huge pushover (as quoted by the media, mind you) when interviewed initially. He didn't seem to be aware that his rights were being abused for the sake of a maniacal politician who hates his way of life and considers herself more important than he.

I hope he gets pro-active about it, but he sounded like one of the apologetic "well they wouldn't do anything illegal, they're the law" types.

Gentleman Ranker
September 16, 2008, 06:58 AM
Any comments or observations from our friends in law enforcement? Is there something about the situation (firearms not returned though no charges filed) that non-LE folks don't fully understand?

Does it just take time for the paperwork to process or something?

Serious question.

regards,

GR

rc109a
September 16, 2008, 08:17 AM
I have arrested people on charges that were dropped by the other party in which I had seized guns. The longest delay was getting the other key holder to meet me up at the office to open the evidence locker. That may have taken a day or so if they were on the opposite shift.

azwizard
September 16, 2008, 09:58 AM
We had a really crappy neighbor one time about 3 years ago who called the police on the neighbor across the street for brandishing a weapon. He wasn't brandishing anything He'd just gotten home from a hunting trip in Oaklahoma and was describing the hunt to a few of us.

Anyway the police show up and in the discussion he gets a little pissed, didn't really do anything wrong just got loud about what crap this was and the police get attitude and arrested him for disturbing the peace, then confiscate his guns.., all of them!!! This was on his front porch mind you..

BS charges and released on his own an hour later, Court two days later and charges dropped. Told he can pick up his firearms in 3 days! Why 3 days.. This was Chandler AZ by the way.

3 days go by and we go down to pick up his guns and He's now told he has to submit to an instant check to get the guns back and he'll need to request them all by Serial number!!!!! Consequently his temper starts to rise yet again... Calm him down and go back to his house and get the papers I'd had the foresight to have his wife record all of the s/n's from all the guns as the police carried them out the door that evening.

Get back to the property room and fill out the forms and he fails instant check for the arrest for disturbing the peace. Shows the court papers dropping the charges, too bad come back in 3 days and if they can't find anything else maybe he can get them back then. Having a hard time getting my buddy out and in the car without anymore of a scene.

3 More days run's into the weekend and the property room is closed come back Monday!!!!!!! Finally get in there and yes he can pick up his guns wait over there. The clerk goes off with the paper work and a cart and we hear things clunking around and about 15 minutes later he's signing for all of the firearms. Soon to be another scene as they are all scratched up and scarred from just dropping them on tables/carts etc.. Heck one even had the scope knocked off its mounts. We can only imagine what the abuse to them was while in police custody.

Got him out of there and told him to file a claim against the PD department or maybe the City and he does but everything was denied because there weren't any before pictures to go with the after pictures he'd taken as evidence of the abuse. FWIW he should have gotten a lawyer to represent him.

Talk about an abuse of power and violation of rights. Long and short of it was his gun's got screwed up due to a false report by a nosey neighbor. PD didn't care one way or the other and neither did the city. I've moved since then but I learned a lesson, None of my neighbors even know I own guns. I load and unload them into the house after dark and with the garage door closed whenever I leave or get home from a hunting or range trip.

The nosey neighbor Moved a few months after this incident seems he'd called on enough of the neighborhood that he'd worn out his welcome and his back yard kept catching on fire several times a week, imagine that...

eflatminor
September 16, 2008, 10:19 AM
I hopes he sues their butts.

dogmush
September 16, 2008, 10:25 AM
Definatly, get a lawyer and go after them. And make sure the firearms are returned in good shape and on time. If I recall the story correctly, they were fresh out of a gunsmith so they should have been in good shape.

P.S. I tried to resist, but I can't:

Once in a great while, a person needs an assault lawyer.

Would that be a Lawyer with the shoulder thing that goes up? :evil:

deaconkharma
September 16, 2008, 11:53 AM
always hide my firearms when loading and unloading. not only because we have a nosey biddy next door but if anyone is watching and decides they like a gun they saw... and they come back when I'm not thereto look for it...
Just better to keep things incognito. Not an issue of "shouldn't have to" more of an issue of reality and privacy. Plus scenarios like this where a certain group ,who shall remain nameless, likes to abuse their right-revoking-privledges and your property.:scrutiny:

Tarvis
September 16, 2008, 12:16 PM
Time for a lawsuit. It is RIDICULOUS to assume he was going to attempt to murder Pelosi. If they want to evacuate her, good for them. When their paranoia affects a law abiding citizen, the line has been crossed.

RobNDenver
September 16, 2008, 12:58 PM
OK, I predicted that this would happen when the original story was reported. As I said then, this has nothing to do with Pelosi, it has everything to do with the security theater that the Secret Service and local Police Departments throw up around any National Security event like the conventions. Here is prediction number two:

Mr. Calanchini will get his guns back. He will find it too much trouble to sue because of the unlikely chance of recovery. Everyone involved in this will quietly fade into the background. The government will do this again, the next time a police office perceives a threat real or imagined, from a member of the public.

You can get your panties in a bunch about "filing suit, making the police pay, somebody should burn for this or whatever remedy you feel the defendant should obtain" but in today's environment established post 9/11 that is an awfully big rock to push up a very steep hill.

Guns and more
September 16, 2008, 02:08 PM
The moral of the story is be aware you have no rights.

Double Naught Spy
September 16, 2008, 02:09 PM
And besides, just how often do folks really get much satisfaction out of wrongful arrest suits. Yes, it happens, but it isn't like the process is making a lot of people rich or getting a lot of cops fired.

No doubt the courts, if this comes to suit, will rule it was an injustice and compensate him for an inconvenience. He was not beaten by the cops or anything like that, so the chance for big bucks isn't like. It will likely be one of many bothersome suits filed against the city as a result of the convention.

Soybomb
September 16, 2008, 02:46 PM
So the original reports I heard had him carrying his handguns in his duffel bag, not locked in his rifle case. What are the legal transportation rules like there?

RobNDenver
September 16, 2008, 03:18 PM
The moral of the story is be aware you have no rights.

Uh, yes. As I said in my original post, "you may beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride". I am so happy to have retired from law enforcement, at a time when cops actually had to have taken civics in school. Nowadays, I give cops a wide berth because they make so much up without foundation.

Deanimator
September 16, 2008, 03:36 PM
"you may beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride".
And the corrolary to this is, "If you violate my rights, I'll beat the rap and I don't even WANT to beat the ride. You won't beat the formal complaint(s), lawsuit(s), judgements, wage garnishments, sheriff's sale", etc. And know up front, I WILL NOT accept any settlement which includes a nondisclosure clause regarding the terms of the settlement or the conduct which prompted it. I reserve the unlimited right to impugn your professionalism, character, and to generally talk about you like a dog until the day you die and beyond.

I:

Hate bullies.
Hold grudges.
Have absolutely no sense of proportion.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
September 16, 2008, 03:43 PM
Deanimator: You da man! :)

Once in a great while, a person needs an assault lawyer.

No, no, haven't you heard? All lawyers are greedy filers of completely non-meritorious lawsuits - and they don't have real clients. They go around suing companies willy-nilly with completely bogus claims, by kidnapping people off the streets and forcing them to be their ghost plaintiffs with threat of violence. And if the lawyers DO ever have a slightly arguable meritorious claim (fat chance!), that's only because they wrote the laws themselves. They get together and sneak into the state legislatures, hog tie the legislators, and pass the laws themselves which allow those silly maimed & injured people to sue when they are the victims of someone else's carelessness. You must not read the revolver forum. And so, it goes without saying, that section 1983 claims are always a complete sham as well.

Seriously, heads need to roll in Denver.

No, the moral of the story is, some people in law enforcement need to be hung for intentional violation of a constitutional right. Starting with the Denver Chief of Police, who is himself responsible for this. At a bare minimum, fired, tarred & feathered, and forced to pay restitution to the victim.

RobNDenver
September 18, 2008, 03:23 PM
Seriously, heads need to roll in Denver.

No, the moral of the story is, some people in law enforcement need to be hung for intentional violation of a constitutional right. Starting with the Denver Chief of Police, who is himself responsible for this. At a bare minimum, fired, tarred & feathered, and forced to pay restitution to the victim.


Thank you for your coherent mapping between crime and punishment. This country's government is so far gone that you can expect nothing to happen to the officers who violated Mr. Calanchi's rights, the chain of command that authorized the arrest and certainly nothing will happen to the most popular chief of police since Art Dill.

I keep my head down, my garage door closed, my guns concealed and I never talk to the cops unless I am obligated to do so. Don't expect that there will be any manifest expansion of justice in this matter.

Guns and more
September 18, 2008, 03:54 PM
"If you violate my rights, I'll beat the rap and I don't even WANT to beat the ride. You won't beat the formal complaint(s), lawsuit(s), judgements, wage garnishments, sheriff's sale", etc. And know up front, I WILL NOT accept any settlement which includes a nondisclosure clause regarding the terms of the settlement or the conduct which prompted it. I reserve the unlimited right to impugn your professionalism, character, and to generally talk about you like a dog until the day you die and beyond.

I:

* Hate bullies.

* Hold grudges.

* Have absolutely no sense of proportion.

You may want to re-read the story of the cops who kicked in the door of the wrong house, shot it out with the homeowner and were then awarded medals for their service.
Complaining probably will do nothing.

bdickens
September 18, 2008, 04:09 PM
I'm with you, Deanimator! I'm the type of person that would push this even if it drove me to ruin. Some battles have to be won no matter what the cost.

akodo
September 18, 2008, 04:18 PM
I'd love to be part of a group that would, say, pony up $100 per year or maybe a 'suggested amount based on your income level' that used that money to help guys like this fight stuff, just to make the grabbers suffer and think twice about it

El Tejon
September 18, 2008, 04:21 PM
O.K., if we are so incensed about this man's civil rights being violated, who wants to set up the legal defense fund?

If you mean it, you will write a check. Anything else is just hot air.

Who's the first in? Anyone? Bueller? *crickets*

Ahhh, the crickets.

El Tejon
September 18, 2008, 04:44 PM
*chirp, chirp*

ftierson
September 18, 2008, 05:00 PM
They got as much anti-gun publicity out of this as they could wring from it...

I'm sure that the resolution will see no publicity.

Friggin' sniper rifles, anyway...

Forrest

rbernie
September 18, 2008, 05:05 PM
O.K., if we are so incensed about this man's civil rights being violated, who wants to set up the legal defense fund?

If you mean it, you will write a check. Anything else is just hot air.I'll match the amount pledged at the time of this post.

El Tejon
September 18, 2008, 05:13 PM
And I will match your amount by a dozen times. Let's see 12 times zero is still . . . wait, it's zero.

Maybe the legal defense fund should accept hot air and keyboard bile.:D

Still do not see a volunteer for the legal defense fund. *chirp, chirp*

Deanimator
September 18, 2008, 05:48 PM
You may want to re-read the story of the cops who kicked in the door of the wrong house, shot it out with the homeowner and were then awarded medals for their service.
Complaining probably will do nothing.
You must have missed where I said to sue the individual(s) into homelessness.

The formal complaint is just for fun because I like to write. I can write a letter that'd make him demand the death penalty... for HIMSELF.

Soybomb
September 18, 2008, 09:03 PM
Still do not see a volunteer for the legal defense fund. *chirp, chirp*

Not to steal your thunder but what are we supposed to be defending a guy who has had the charges against him dropped from?

akodo
September 20, 2008, 08:12 PM
O.K., if we are so incensed about this man's civil rights being violated, who wants to set up the legal defense fund?

If you mean it, you will write a check. Anything else is just hot air.

Who's the first in? Anyone? Bueller? *crickets*

Ahhh, the crickets.

I'll pledge $50

I donated to the Cav Aid fund even though I never owned an AR-15

NonConformist
September 20, 2008, 08:14 PM
Now he should lawyer up and sue! As long as we allow our rights to be violated this will continue to happen!

bdickens
September 20, 2008, 11:28 PM
Since the charges were dropped, what's the guy have to defend himself against?

guntotinguy
September 20, 2008, 11:40 PM
This would be the perfect time for 'real media' exposure to the TRUTH of what happened there.Personal rights being infringed...still didnt get personal property back...

I certainly hope this person will step forward and expose this 'for what it was'...

MinnMooney
September 20, 2008, 11:48 PM
Since the charges were dropped, what's the guy have to defend himself against?



Good point!

akodo
September 21, 2008, 01:27 AM
the idea was some unified fund with some sort of board of overseers who would volunteer their time and good sense (based on established long term excellence in firearms related issues) who would direct said funds to help fund lawsuits against people whose rights were violated by police mainly because they had 'evil scary guns'

My original idea wasn't to fund people fighting to prove their innocence, but to take people the DAs decided not to charge, or people the courts had declared not guilty, and then go after anyone who deliberately strong-armed them.

As it stands now cop A throws you in jail for seeing your copy of "Shotgun News" in the back of your station wagon, nothing ever happens to him even if you are later exhonerated.

So he is inclined to continue the behavior.

Make a few overzealous types pay with their career, and others may be less willing to let their personal ideology trump allowing lawful behavior.

deaconkharma
September 21, 2008, 10:20 PM
:barf:

NonConformist
September 21, 2008, 10:24 PM
How about violation of civil right under color of law? For starts

The add Violating the 2A, then false arrest and so on

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