Best non 1911 45


September 15, 2008, 06:55 PM
What do you consider the best non 1911 45?

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The Lone Haranguer
September 15, 2008, 07:00 PM
The SIG P220 is one of the best for accuracy and reliability. The double-action trigger is too long for me, but the SAO (single-action-only with a thumb safety allowing for cocked-and-locked carry) version solves that.

Black Majik
September 15, 2008, 07:00 PM
Para Ordnance. :D

September 15, 2008, 07:06 PM
I would have to go with the Sig P-220 then the HK USP.

The Lone Haranguer
September 15, 2008, 07:10 PM
The Smith & Wesson 645, 4506, 4516, etc. are very reliable and durable. The M&P in this caliber looks very promising.

Para-Ordnance. :D

September 15, 2008, 07:10 PM
USP hands down
i wish they made a beretta 92 style in 45

September 15, 2008, 07:55 PM
Witness Elite Match or XD.

September 15, 2008, 08:23 PM
CZ 97B's are nice

September 15, 2008, 08:31 PM
i'll say XD or M&P (or glock...that slimline one is cool) you sit at home all day thinking up questions to post online? My god you start more threads than anyone... just sayin!

September 15, 2008, 08:33 PM
I'll chime in on the side of the M&P: either full size or compact.


September 15, 2008, 08:53 PM
CZ97b and SIG 220 are great!

September 15, 2008, 08:54 PM
P220. No doubt. Second would be, in my opinion, the HK USP.


EDIT: The XDm is supposed to be pretty good too, but I wouldn't know either way.

September 15, 2008, 08:57 PM
Sig P220

September 15, 2008, 09:10 PM
It's really dependent on the application, but overall my vote goes to the SAO Sig 220.

September 15, 2008, 09:11 PM
Usp 45

September 15, 2008, 09:17 PM
Sig P220.

September 15, 2008, 09:28 PM
HK USP imho. Just .02. Nothing against Sigs but I've never shot mine as well as the USP. Grips feels different, definately different handling in rapid fire mode. The USP sees daylight much more often than my (2) Sigs.

September 15, 2008, 09:36 PM
It would have to be a 220 of some sort, and I LOVE my G21 SF and XD 45 Tactical, too.

And I agree w/ chupacabrah: GunLvrNLearner, you need to LEARN how to use the SEARCH function! As of today, you have TEN separate threads on the first two pages, many of which are on subjects already discussed many times over on these boards. Don't make the Mods write a new rule capping the number of threads someone can start per day!

September 15, 2008, 10:32 PM
for my hands, (and my son's) my Sig 220 - easy to shoot and dead reliable. Accurate as all heck.

September 15, 2008, 10:42 PM


September 15, 2008, 11:43 PM
H & K's .45s:

USP: Standard, Tactical, Match, Elite

USP Compact & Compact Tactical


HK45 Compact

and of course the venerable P9/P9S

All are solid, reliable performers..........

September 15, 2008, 11:49 PM
XD45 compact 10/13 rounds of ACP in a not too large grip. P220s are also nice.

September 15, 2008, 11:57 PM
220 and teh USP gets my vote, glock 21 in close contention

September 16, 2008, 12:08 AM
lots of good pistols out there but this one has been 100% reliable. It shoots where it looks and is a snap to field strip and clean. Feed it heavy bullets and all is right with the world.

September 16, 2008, 01:06 AM

September 16, 2008, 01:23 AM
I have been in the market for a .45 for some time now. After a ton of research and handling, I found the best .45 is the FNP-45

But that is what was best for me.
I just brought this one home finally.

All others seem to be fine pistols but I like this one best.
Fits my hand perfectly, points naturally and has a good trigger.

In the hands of 9 other people it is prolly a brick.

September 16, 2008, 01:24 AM

'nuff said. :D

September 16, 2008, 02:19 AM
if money isn't an issue, then i would say HK45 and anything from their USP45 line (elite, tactical, match). the HK45 has the best mag release design i have ever personally used by a long shot.

if money is an issue i would rock a glock 21sf. in my opinion glocks and hk's are the highest quality mass produced guns out there regardless of the discrepancy in price between the two. if i had to give one an edge i would give it to hk, but not by much. just look at the bluing on hk's guns. no other mass produced blued polymer pistol has a finish even close to the quality of the bluing an p2000 or hk45. if you take apart an hk or glock and put the components next to another gun, the other gun will immediately look cheap, even sigs.

September 16, 2008, 02:44 AM
I agree with otheres who like the Sig & Hk

September 16, 2008, 06:12 AM

It is 121 threads in a month, but who is counting?

CZ97 or Tangolio/EAA Elite Match are equal to, if not better, than the 1911 format.

September 16, 2008, 01:38 PM
3rd Generation steel Smiths

S&W: 4506, 4516, 4566

forged stainless slides and frames, very well built, accurate, and a reasonable price. what more could one want?

September 16, 2008, 01:42 PM
i wish they made a beretta 92 style in 45

Beretta did make the Cougar in .45 ACP, supposed to be a great gun, but a little hard to find.

I like my CZ 97B.

September 16, 2008, 02:03 PM
As much as I like Glocks, I really like the .45 XD! The grip fits my hand a lot better than Glock/HK/Sig...

September 16, 2008, 02:04 PM
S&W 4506. Its not a bulls eye gun but it never fails to go bang.

September 16, 2008, 02:27 PM
(Well, you asked!) Can optional.

September 16, 2008, 02:52 PM
XD XD XD XD XD XD XD need I say more.

September 16, 2008, 03:01 PM
/////Wise N. Hiemer mode on

1927-A1 Thompson :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener: :evil:

well, you DID say "non-1911"

/////Wise N. Hiemer mode off

After the 1911 Platform, I like the P-90 Ruger.

Ala Dan
September 16, 2008, 03:10 PM
"Best" non 1911 .45ACP = West German SIG-SAUER P220A~! :scrutiny: ;)

September 16, 2008, 03:15 PM
Having owned both Sigs and HKs and liking both, I'll pick my West German 220:

September 16, 2008, 06:23 PM
The CZ 97B can be a very capable and accurate .45ACP.


September 16, 2008, 06:29 PM

September 16, 2008, 07:55 PM
I like my HD45 Tactical a lot, but I'd be willing to trade the slide and barrel for a service model version.

The first time I fired the pistol I honestly thought I'd had a squib load because it was such a kinder gentler experience compared to my Colts. It was the fisrt tupperware gun I owned, bought mostly to see what all the hoopla was about. Now I've even got a Glock 19 of all things for an old long time lover of the 1911a1 style of sidearm.

September 16, 2008, 09:05 PM
Whoa, hold up, they make .45's that aren't 1911's??

September 16, 2008, 09:12 PM
1. Sig 220
2. Glock 21
3. XD 45

My favorite 45 tho is my SA Professional (FBI CHOSEN HRT ISSUED). Hand made with extra heavy rails and Nolan barrel.

September 16, 2008, 09:36 PM
Another vote for the W. German P-220. Incomparable.

September 16, 2008, 09:45 PM
"Beretta did make the Cougar in .45 ACP, supposed to be a great gun, but a little hard to find."

shot one and didnt mind it though im not big on berettas

September 16, 2008, 09:46 PM
sig 220!!!!!!!!!!!:D

September 16, 2008, 10:06 PM
S&W revolver - very accurate

September 17, 2008, 12:38 AM
XD-45c is my favorite gun. It fits my average-sized hand perfectly, points naturally and lets me shoot better than anything. Good customer service and a very active forum of supporters.
A new acquisition I'm also liking real well so far is an EAA Witness 45/22 convertible. Similar grip and looks like it will be a good shooter also. Nice with both caliber tops on it. Only holds 10 shots though. XD holds 10 in short, compact mag but 13 in full sized of both worlds.
I can carry the XD but the Witness is really too big for concealed carry.
The Bersa 45 Compact is supposed to be very good like most Bersas but I haven't fired that caliber yet. I have two of their other guns and both work fine.
Best thing always is rent guns at a shooting range and try them out. What fits you and works for your hand is what will finally count. :)

September 17, 2008, 12:56 AM
I'll add one for the CZ-97B. The accuracy is great - it shames me - I'd love to see what a good shooter could do with it.

My new 97B has about 850 rounds of Remington and Winchester factory loads with no malfunctions or misfires of any kind. Its a big gun for my "average" hands, maybe not a good choice for smaller hands. Comfortable to shoot, given the weight. I also got it new for $500--I think that's a real good deal for this gun.


September 17, 2008, 05:06 PM
1. HK Mark 23 SOCOM "Hammer of Thor"
2. HK45
3. HK USP45
4. Sig 220 Platinum Elite
5. XD45

You'll never go wrong with any of these babies!

September 17, 2008, 05:10 PM
I didn't see anyone mention the Thunder Ranch .45 ACP Revolver.

Just thought I'd throw curve ball out there. :D


September 17, 2008, 06:16 PM
#1 Witness full size elite match
#2 CZ 97B
#3 SA XD
#4 Taurus new 24/7 OSS
#5 S/W 45xx 3rd generation (too small mag capacity)
#6 SIG 220 and its variants (too small mag capacity)
#999 Glock in any shape or form.

September 17, 2008, 06:24 PM

September 18, 2008, 11:17 AM
I have owned pretty much all of the above mentioned guns, and would say it is hard to go wrong with any of those choices. I prefer the 1911, but depending on what you want there are some good points to the various other models.

I use a G21 for home defense simply because it is utterly reliable, and gives me a few extra rounds in the magazine since I may not have more than what is in the gun during a rushed "bump in the night" scenario. It is too big for me to carry though, as was the XD45 and USP. I only carry concealed so have to use a gun I can hide. I know some do carry the larger pistols that way, but I am so thin that I tend to print easily. I would say amongst double-stacked 45s the Taurus 24/7 was impressive for its compactness. I did carry it concealed a bit and found it was quite doable.

I love the Smith 3rd gen. 45s. Supremely reliable, built like tanks, and quite accurate. I still am continually fighting the urge to buy one of the mid-sized guns. Now that they are no longer made, I am sure they will only appreciate in value much as their 10mms have. When I was much younger and a reserve office I carried a 4506 for a bit. I let it go when bitten by the 1911 bug, but must say that that big Smith was as sure a shooting pistol as I have ever owned. It just would not fail to fire, and was quite accurate even in my then young, inexperienced hands.

I have had both Tanfoglio and CZ 45s. The Tanfoglios are a bit smaller and so fit my hand better. I have long felt that the Tanfoglio 45s are their most trouble free models in their line of steel pistols. The CZ97 I briefly owned was an absolute tack driver. It was too big for me, but the mass and bulk made it feel more like a 9mm than a 45. I would probably take a Match over it just because the grip fits my hand a bit better, but either is a good choice for an accurate and easy to shoot 45.

To me the 1911 remains my preferred carry gun, but I am by no means a snob when it comes to good 45s. I love the round, and fortunately it has been chambered in many good guns over the last few decades. Oops--I just made myself feel old again...



September 18, 2008, 11:55 AM
EAA Witness!!!!!

September 18, 2008, 12:59 PM
XD45acp Compact Tactical-The Best of all worlds or a Sig 220 or Glock21sf but I love My XD's.

September 18, 2008, 09:40 PM
I sure enjoy my S&W 4566.

September 18, 2008, 10:03 PM
A CZ 97 is not my idea of a fun gun to carry concealed all day.

However, a friend had one with a Bar-Sto barrel that outshot 99% of 1911s that I have seen. Spending most of my life within a 45 minute drive of Quantico, I have seen a LOT of 1911s at bullseye matches.

The CZ is big and bulky and heavy and does not have the most ergonomic grip, but for 8-900 dollars you could have a world class pistol in terms of accuracy and reliability.

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