[HANDLOADER]

This is just like the what can one man and a rifle do things. I am just wondering about this and decided it was time to open up a new can of worms.

GOD BLESS

Handloader

[SG Merc]

Well, yes, I would imagine that he could open up a can of worms with it if he's a good shot.

[TeamPrecisionIT]

Watch a season of 24, lol.

Damian

[Funderb]

assasination of franz ferdinand? how about WWI?

[cambeul41]

Well, he could get in really bad trouble.

[HB]

:confused:.....

[Connecticut Yankee]

"The Nazis, like the Taliban, had pursued a policy of complete gun prohibition, except for persons considered politically reliable. Yet as David Caplan explains in "The Warsaw Ghetto: 10 Handguns Against Tyranny" (American Rifleman, Feb. 1988), the Warsaw Jews had managed to obtain a few guns. And with these few guns, the course of Jewish history would change."

Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/weekend/television/television-kopel111001.shtml

I recall reading years ago - I think it was in one of those Ballentine Books WW 2 series or a Ballentine paperback - that the actual first delivery of arms by the Polish resistance to the Warsaw ghetto was two handguns and six gernades.

[HK G3]

According to the AMA, they'd commit suicide :rolleyes:

Also, didn't the previous thread on this topic with the accompanying essay get locked?

[gidaeon]

Well, yes, I would imagine that he could open up a can of worms with it if he's a good shot.

Or if a pistol has those fancy picitinny rails he could just attach the latest can opener\light add-on. All though they're usually more popular for AR's... but back to seriousness the answer is "change history." whether its a big or small way isn't always immediately clear.

[Funderb]

you know, I think you are on to something, only a pistol with rails can change the course of history now.

[Diamondback6]

Let's see:

Start with even a POS like the FP-45 "Liberator". From there, if you're sneaky and good, you can get an enemy uniform and a rifle, shotgun or SMG.

From there, you can more easily take another enemy and disguise/equip a buddy. If you're lucky, maybe you can get the gear to bushwhack a supply convoy. All of a sudden, you've got the gear to equip an entire Resistance cell. Enough people repeat enough times, and you've got enough Nazis killed or diverted to give Patton and Monty an easier time on the road to Berlin...

And it all started with one little single-shot pistol... and the will and the cunning to use it effectively.

[S&Wfan]

1. If you are Rambo, you can swing one-handed off the side of a cliff . . . and still shoot down a helicopter with a wimpy little 9mm handgun.

Then again, that's Hollywood, where any relation to reality is unintentional.


2. In the real world, John Hinkley nearly killed Reagan with a crappy RG .22LR revolver . . . and also paralyzed Jim Brady with the same gun . . . thus helping that poor soul become the poster boy of the "Brady Bill" movement.


3. Then again, my son's Glock 23 probably saved his life after he accidentally turned down a very bad street in downtown Atlanta Sunday night and ran over two holes created by some azz-zole stealing a manhole cover for the scrap money.

From out-of-town, with two destroyed tires and a beautiful girlfriend to face an agressive perp and a nearby gang of thugs, his ONE HANDGUN allowed him to remain forcefully confident so ALL could live to see tomorrow.

IMHO, this is when one handgun REALLY is special!

Dang, I'm so glad I gave it to him a couple of months ago!!!

T.

[easyrider6042004@yahoo.ca]

Win a Congressional Medal of Honor? Sgt. Alvin York did it.

[trickshot]

If you look down in this thread
www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-354814.html

You will read about a man named Ling Jienfong who killed whole divisions of Japanese troops; single handedly, using a pair of small Mauser pistols chambered for 32 ACP (7.62mm).
That is one of the most awesome stories I have ever read.

[machinisttx]

If he's Elmer Keith, he can take a wounded Mulie at 600 yards.

[bigfatdave]

Diamondback6:
Posts like that [about the Liberator] make me look for the "add to reputation" button you find on some forums.
I was thinking of a similar concept - "disarm one criminal and prevent ## further crimes" - but your well thought out reply trumps anything I can come up with.

[Ben Shepherd]

Assasinate Abraham Lincoln.

[Chuck Spears]

As much as I like the story and concept behind the FP-45 Liberator I must point out that it has been blown out of historical proportion. Only a few of them were ever put into the hands of resistance fighters in Europe and nothing much happened. So in reality, it did absolutely nothing to defeat the Germans. It was however used more extensively in China and the Philippines but again, didn't really pan out to anything significant. I hate to be the guy that tells you Santa Claus isn't real but I think historical accuracy should be paid attention to.

[Diamondback6]

Chuck, I was just citing the theory. Theory's all well and good, but it's all useless if the weapon can't be delivered, arrives into the hand of someone unwilling to use it, or reaches someone who lacks the "tactical trickery" to use it effectively.

Pistols have changed history, but their proper role is for fighting your way to something better--even if it means dispatching a foe and scavenging "something better" off him.

Dave, thanks. Here again, though, the pistol is the instrument, but there's a lot that has to come with it. And a case of irons airdropped in the woods outside Caen is useless if the people who need it are in St. Mere-Eglise (spelling?) and can't readily get over to get it...

[Low Budget Shooter]

There is a South African man who defended the crowd at his church against several attackers armed with AKs and grenades. He had only a five-shot snubbie, which he emptied on the attackers with no apparent hits. Turns out, though, that he hit one of them, who told the other attackers they were being shot at and needed to leave. As a result, they killed only a few people in the crowd, when they had intended to kill hundreds. If you haven't read his book, Shooting Back, I highly recommend it.

LBS

[Robusto]

he could use it to get a rifle, and then give it to his brother/ friend/ neighbor/ countryman go that he too can get a rifle... and so on

[Lazuris]

Homer Simpson used his to open his beer can, turn the channel, and add speed holes to his car. Homer and I quote " Now I know how God feels when he holds a Gun."

[mpmarty]

Ya can stand up and say "go ahead, make my day"

[Prepster]

One man with a pistol can help make his community unsafe for criminals, and a whole lot safer for everyone else.

[Cosmoline]

He can get a rifle.

[ir3e971]

Make a case for sainthood.
http://www.gunsaint.com/history.asp

[Chuck Spears]

Except it never happened.

[Chuck Spears]

This thread makes me look like such a pessimist. FP-45 was an idea that flopped in real life. And Francesco Possenti never pulled off that cinematic pistolier scene. So to answer the question, I guess one man and a pistol can be the basis of a good story perhaps.

[stormspotter]

He can teach others to shoot, thereby creating a new generation of shooters who hopefull will not have to rely on someone else for protection.

[ir3e971]

"Francesco Possenti never pulled off that cinematic pistolier scene"

Dang. That is too bad.

[Chuck Spears]

To be technical, it may have occurred but it is highly unlikely. It is only mentioned in one biographical account of the Saint and the author of the piece admitted to embellishing some stories and even making some up. It is generally agreed that this was one of the made up ones since nobody else ever mentions this feat (surely several more would make mention of such a fantastic event) coupled with the fact that when this supposedly occurred the Saint was near death from tuberculosis and in no condition to go running around pistol fighting.

[Jst1mr]

I fully understand the purpose of the (excellent) discussion around the "Liberator", but just for interest's sake I was under the impression there was no documented use of it against an enemy combatant...is that true?

[Blofeld]

If he's Steven Seagal, one man and a pistol can do anything.

[Chuck Spears]

I fully understand the purpose of the (excellent) discussion around the "Liberator", but just for interest's sake I was under the impression there was no documented use of it against an enemy combatant...is that true?

From what I know, that is pretty much it. I could be wrong but I don't believe there was any documented use in Europe and it made an insignificant impact in China and the Philippines with resistance groups there. Then again it wasn't designed for use there. Japanese occupation was a little different than German occupation in Western Europe where the piece was designed to work in theory.

[ziggy222]

i did a search and most of the results were stories of men being killed while attempting to use a pistol to stop the enemy.as stated earlier,the best use of a pistol is to use it to get a rifle.i came across a story of a guy with a 1911 that took out 6 men,and a guy with a 9mm that got 9 or something along them lines but i can't find it again.it was the record.

[Diamondback6]

Ziggy, think your 6-man 1911 takedown was Sgt. York.

[ChCx2744]

HANDLOADER

What can one man and a pistol do?

Any dedicated man in the right state of mind, with proper knowledge/training and enough motivation can either preserve the lives of many people or unleash all kinds of havoc. Of course the type of pistol/ammunition also plays a BIG role in your scenario.

[jaholder1971]

Wasn't there a Romanian Olympic pistol shooter who took out a LOT of government thugs using his match gun their Revolution? Help me out here, folks.

[wjh2657]

Against one adversary one man has a chance to win.

Against two adversaries pick the one to drop and then prepare to be shot!

Against three or more adversaries, run like hell!

Against a gang one man is bad straits, that is why police call back-up! One lone HCP carrying civilian on a street at night has no such option. Run, hide, call police, shoot only if somebody just gets too darn close.

All those fancy drills at the training schools do not have targets actually shooting at you with intent to kill. You best weapons in anything more than one on one are your head and feet . Use them!

Flash! Rambo is not real , he is really a rather short middle aged movie actor and the s--- he is doing doesn't happen in real life. A gun doesn't make you superman and awareness is worth far more than hollowpoints. The gun is for when you can't run fast enough or far enough.

[easyrider6042004@yahoo.ca]

A gun doesn't make you superman and awareness is worth far more than hollowpoints. The gun is for when you can't run fast enough or far enough.

Where I originally came from, this IPSC competitor became the target of a kidnapping for ransom gang. Kidnappers then more often than not, murdered their victims even after being paid ransom.

So one afternoon as he was driving into his garage, a carload of would-be kidnappers met him with guns drawn. The intended victim fortunately carried his compensated 1911 racegun cocked, locked and within arm's reach.

Within seconds, 4 thugs were down. Our hero survived with nary a scratch.
His awareness, presence of mind and condition one mindset plus his skill saved the day. And yes I think he was superman and rambo rolled in one!

[rfurtkamp]

One man and a pistol can fight his way to a computer with internet access and then post about it later.

[tipoc]

One man and a pistol can fight his way to a computer with internet access and then post about it later.

Well said.

tipoc

[highlander 5]

The IPSC guys are a rare breed,myself I could practice from now till doomsday and I would never be that fast or accurate.