Why CURRENTLY buy a 25 or 32?


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GunLvrNLearner
September 17, 2008, 05:29 PM
In the past i understand it,but TODAY with pocket sized 380's by Kel-Tec,Ruger and others...why buy a 25 or 32?

They are weaker than a 380 and the ammo costs more and is not as easy to find.


When i would look for a Keltec 380 every gun shop out of it would be out would try to push the 32 on me which frustrated me,eventually i found LCP and love it

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Cocked & Locked
September 17, 2008, 05:36 PM
because they look cool?

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6259764/317273115.jpg

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GunLvrNLearner
September 17, 2008, 05:39 PM
Do not get me wrong if a 25 or 32 is pointed at me,i am getting the hell out of there....just dont see why get either with where 380's are today

Chipperman
September 17, 2008, 05:39 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/Chipperman/Pockets.jpg

1. Because they are cool
2. Historical interest
3. Because you live in MA, and cannot get any of the small .380 or 9mm pistols. :cuss:

theotherwaldo
September 17, 2008, 05:50 PM
'Cause I want one of everything!

weisse52
September 17, 2008, 05:55 PM
Not all buying decisions are made based on "knock-down" power, or how much the ammo costs.
Some like to collect these pistols, some just find them fun to shoot.

Some just want one of everything!

Sometimes why we buy anything does not always make sense, and it should not have too!

GunLvrNLearner
September 17, 2008, 05:56 PM
The answers so far to me make PERFECT sense, i guess my mindset was from a SD standpoint and overlooked other reasons

WolfMansDad
September 17, 2008, 07:18 PM
Sometimes .32 gives better penetration than .380.

Prepster
September 17, 2008, 07:40 PM
Why? Because there's no sweeter feeling than having a Baby Browning in your back pocket. It just feels right. :)

Loomis
September 17, 2008, 07:47 PM
Next time you are in a gun shop, ask to hold both a 32 keltec AND a 380 keltec at the same time. You will see there is a definite difference in size.

Some people want the smallest handgun possible even if it means they sacrifice on ammo a little.

makarovnik
September 17, 2008, 07:51 PM
They don't cause nerve damage or try to jump out of your hand when you shoot them.

glockdriver
September 17, 2008, 08:02 PM
There was a story I remember reading a few years back when a gentleman was accosted by 2 street sharks with the intent of doing him great bodily harm and relieving him of his money.
His carry piece was under a heavy winter coat so a 5 shot NAA revolver came out of the coat pocket.
Results one down the other caught later with a bullet wound

Moral: any gun is better than none

Loomis
September 17, 2008, 08:05 PM
I read a similar story awhile back about two thugs forced their way into the house of an elderly man. He had a 22 NAA mini revolver in his pants pocket. He shot them both and they ran away.

MrAnteater
September 17, 2008, 08:14 PM
For some people the recoil of a KT .380 in such a light frame is too hard to grip and control the recoil.

I gave my dad a KT P3AT and he kept limp wristing. He couldn't hold it well enough for the recoil. I then gave him a KT P32 and he shot the .32 much easier.

There is little difference between a .32 and .380 out of short barrel guns. The .32 is perfectly adequate for SD.

Owen Meany
September 17, 2008, 08:36 PM
Cocked & Locked, very minty-looking 1908!

GunLvr.... said:

In the past i understand it,but TODAY with pocket sized 380's by Kel-Tec,Ruger and others...why buy a 25 or 32?

They are weaker than a 380 and the ammo costs more and is not as easy to find.

Well, as nearly everybody has said by now, for those of us whose interest in firearms extends beyond their utility as self-defense tools, there are excellent reasons for buying .25s and .32s.

My own reason happens to be that I am fascinated with the small pocket pistols manufactured in the early part of the last century. They are, in many cases, very finely made (I collect the less finely made ones as well) and ingeniously designed.

Quite simply, they epitomize what I like about firearms in general: that is to say, they involve the interface of many intricately formed parts and the forces acting on them, all of which is undertaken towards the achievment of a clearly defined goal, and they do this in the smallest package possible, which makes the mechanics more interesting to me than those of larger pistols.

Also, at the same time, they all have their own little history (though of course most of the time we can't know what that is) - places they've been, major historical events they may have been used in, lives of every possible distinction or ignominy that they may have intersected in the course of their decades of use, and, yes, people who may have been shot with these same little guns. But then again, the whole historical aspect applies equally to all kinds of guns, not just .25s and .32s, so I guess that doesn't really address the topic here.

Chipperman said:

1. Because they are cool
2. Historical interest
3. Because you live in MA, and cannot get any of the small .380 or 9mm pistols.

I was going to mention Chipperman's reason #3 as well.

Chipperman, that is a very nice Colt 1908 (and Seecamp) you have there as well. I have the same combination, except my Colt is somewhat older at 16xxxx.

VARifleman
September 17, 2008, 08:39 PM
Well, speaking of .32 ACP handguns, not just pocket handguns, .32 ACP is the smallest of the centerfire calibers allowed for bullseye, and is the caliber for international rapidfire.

benderx4
September 17, 2008, 08:48 PM
Personally, now that I've shot a number of these smaller autos, I think the .32 is the perfect caliber for a weapon this size and weight. The .22/.25 is too small, and the .380/9mm is too big. Sorta like the 3 bears, the middle one is just right!

BTW, of the three calibers that the Larry Seecamp Company makes, 25,32, and 380, the owner himself carries a Seecamp LWS32. That tells me something.

jocko
September 17, 2008, 08:49 PM
both would be my last choice with the 25 being at the very lowest of the lowest. Especialy with the 380 which IMO is about as low as you should go for a decent defense handgun and many will even say the 380 is just not enough. But certainly those little oldie 25 and 32 made 40years ago, eak in quality by todays standards and would be super to have in ones collection, but I would never carry either caliber. FWIW IMHO

Bender, I don't think seecamp makes the 25 anymore, other than that it doesn't tell me much of anything. Nothing against his quality of guns either, as they are super quality guns but his 380 would be the weapon of my choice for what he sells, although I like the 380 lcp due to its lite weight..

Technosavant
September 17, 2008, 08:59 PM
Because a metal framed .32 is a whole lot easier to shoot well than a plastic .380 that is slightly thinner and a fair amount lighter. Nothing against the P3AT, LCP, and similar, but I prefer my little Beretta.

searcher451
September 17, 2008, 10:11 PM
My two most recent purchases were in .25 caliber: a Beretta Jetfire (a nice little pocket gun) and a Walther Model 5 (which fills a hole in a collection). I'm delighted to have them both and am currently on the lookout for a Walther TP in the same lackluster caliber. :)

bgeddes
September 17, 2008, 11:59 PM
My .380 pocket gun (LCP) is way too much for the wife. I am thinking the .32 ACP would be a nice compromise of power vs. shootable. I focus on practicality vs. collectability.

I have read arguing points that certain .22 LR rounds are better for SD than a .32ACP. Sounds fishy, so the research will follow.

heavyshooter
September 18, 2008, 02:46 AM
"I read a similar story awhile back about two thugs forced their way into the house of an elderly man. He had a 22 NAA mini revolver in his pants pocket. He shot them both and they ran away." -- Loomis


This happened in Dallas about 6 or 7 months ago. The home owner was in his late 70's and he lives alone so he puts the NAA in his pocket to answer the door. When he answered the door the two men in their twenties (siblings) rushed in and stabbed him in the head repeatedly. He shot one of them but the sound made both of them run. They were caught because the wounded brother had to go to the hospital.

R.W.Dale
September 18, 2008, 06:43 AM
because the current crop of tiny pocket pistols are much more shootable when chambered for 32acp

Plus there's really NO difference in performance between 32 and 380 neither will reliably penetrate or expand with JHP's and with ball the little 32 penetrates more offers higher mag capacity, is offered smaller platforms and allows for faster follow up shots.

Ask yourself this, which is more powerful one 380 round or two 32's

ldp4570
September 18, 2008, 09:06 AM
The older classics are just that. From the Walther model 8 to the Colt and Browning 1903 and 1910 respectively. The Mauser 1910, and 1914 to the Savage 1907 to 1914. The Frommer, the Walther PP and PPK. Even the little Colt 1906, and Browning version and their Baby Browning. These guns oozed class, and are still today top quality firearms, and there are others.

One of the finest .32ACP handguns made was the Saur 38H, and the Mauser HSc during WWII. Most of which would serve anyone well today as a SD gun.

Tomac
September 19, 2008, 08:16 AM
I find the combination of the Beretta Inox Tomcat's size/weight & .32 recoil to be optimal for me for close-in accurate rapid fire (YMMV).
Tomac

jackstinson
September 19, 2008, 10:04 AM
Because I collect pocket pistols from .22 through .380 and I enjoy shooting all of my .25's and .32's.
Heck, I even load .25 pellets into primered brass for basement shooting.
.25 and .32 ammo is NOT necessarily more expensive than .380. I suppose people keep saying this because it may be more expensive at Walmart or Gander Mountain. I buy online from Natchez or Graf & Son's where my favorite brands (Sellier & Bellot, Fiocchi, or Aquila) of .25acp and .32acp is basically the same price as .380. Why drive across the city and pay $18-20 for 50 WWB's when I can good stuff delivered to my door in 2 days for far less even with shipping cost?
NOTE: I did "trade down" from daily carrying a Kel-Tec P3AT to a P32 because of the already mentioned nerve damage thing. I like to practice a lot with what I carry.
Besides..what's not to love about something like my .25 Bauer copy of a Browning? It worked for Foxy Brown!
http://weirdjack.com/guns/bauer_T.jpg

MCgunner
September 19, 2008, 10:11 AM
They're all rather weak IMHO. I prefer a subcompact 9 in my pocket. Yes, you can do it. You have to dress around the gun, better compromise than choosing your gun for your dress IMHO. I'd never actually CARRY a .25 or .32 anymore, no reason as you say. Owning one for other reasons stated is reason enough. I have a .22 caliber mini revolver, but I don't carry it as a primary. I'd hate to get in an actually gunfight with that thing. The only time I defended myself against a human, though, it was a bum with a knife and I had a little .25 in my back pocket. He ran. This was WELL before CCW laws. I don't think even and idiot that dumb would be stupid enough to pull a knife on JQ Public now days knowing that eventually someone carrying a CCW will trump him with a .45 and might not be as gracious to avoid firing as I was. :D

The P3AT and LCP are very attractive for their size. That, frankly, is one reason I'm avoiding the purchase. I'm afraid I'd be too tempted to carry the thing considering the size and weight advantages for carry. If I had to use it, I'd sure be wanting my 9. LOL The 9 is not THAT hard to tote, certainly not the PITA of anything carried IWB for me. It fits in a pocket, after all, and I don't really even notice it's there during the day. Just takes a smidge bitter pockets.

hardwarehacker
September 19, 2008, 11:20 AM
When I saw this thread, I remembered an article which summarized 'one-shot stop' percentages for many different calibers. I can't find that exact document, however a quick online search turned up the same info. The relevant statistic is that in well over 100 real-world shootings, 60 grain Winchester Silvertips in .32 produced one-hit stops 66% of the time. Two out of three is not all that bad. .380s with premium ammo were only slightly better at about 70%, while 9mm and .45 were around 90% and 96%, respectively.

Life is all about tradeoffs. My first law of handguns is that the mousegun in your pocket will save your bacon more often than the .45 you left at home. There is much to be said for being able to magically produce a pistol when someone thinks they have the advantage. In situations where you are facing someone with no weapon or perhaps a knife, simply showing ANY firearm will often get you out safely. If you really need to shoot, two or three of the above-mentioned silvertips will change someone's priorities. .32s are easy to control, even in a very small package, so making every shot count is not difficult.

No argument, if I knew that someone was actively after me, I would want something heavier. If your part of the world is scarier than mine, a .32 is probably not what you need either. Write down the most likely scenarios you might realistically face and do the tradeoffs for your own situation. Don't forget the threat of someone seeing a large pistol printing through your jacket and deciding to bash you on the head to get it.

Remember, the mere fact that you are paranoid does not meant that the world is not out to get you.

Reference: http://www.handguninfo.com/Archive/www.Pete-357.com/one.shot.stops.htm

JImbothefiveth
September 19, 2008, 11:27 AM
I've heard a few stories on the kel-tec and the like threads, about the really small .380s having almost uncontrollabl recoil, while the .32 would not jump out of their hand and would allow faster follow-up shots.

JackCrow
September 19, 2008, 12:47 PM
Because I like my P32 and it's always with me.

eatont9999
September 19, 2008, 03:34 PM
I would buy one for collectability, price, or concealability.

passintime
September 19, 2008, 03:54 PM
I love my Beretta Tomcat Inox and carry it everywhere, all the time (where legal). For the same reasons others have mentioned.:D

benderx4
September 20, 2008, 12:16 AM
You are correct, sir! The Seecamp LWS25 is no longer made, but continues to be serviced when necessary.

Again, for a TRUE pocket gun, the .32 allows me to control the weapon a bit better, allowing for a quicker and more accurate, second shot. I know for a fact that I wouldn't want to be shot with a Hornady JHP XTP 60 grain bullet at close range.

Again, for me, the couple extra ounces that the Seecamp weighs due to its all metal construction makes the gun easier to shoot, IMHO. Ever shoot a SW340PD with a real 158 grain 357 round? Ouch!

As far as cost is concerned, I paid $400 for my Seecamp. So far, around here in Florida, I've yet to see a LCP for less than $400. As a matter of fact, I saw one at our last gunshow for $599. No doubt, some dude bought it.

Finally, along with the theme of this thread, I sometimes carry my SW Model 317 in the summer. Extremely light weight and reliable, and 8 shots of .22 Stingers waiting for BGs. I read once that European assassins also use the .22 as their weapon of choice. Go figure.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
September 20, 2008, 01:28 AM
My view: There is no reason to.

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Majic
September 20, 2008, 01:53 AM
Because everything is not about punching holes in people.

rolltide
September 20, 2008, 05:23 AM
Sometimes carrying something larger is simply not an option for me. I own the NAA 22mag and have carried it as my only gun. Same for a Bauer 25acp, NAA 32. I own larger guns all the way up to 12ga pump, which is really the most reliable social weapon. Larger is better, but the fact is smaller is sometimes necessary. That said, my NAA 32 is my preferred pocket piece over any other caliber in the same size range due to MY ability to shoot it more accurately and faster than ANY 380 of comparable size (like many others here have said.)

Your milage may vary, and you are welcome to use what you like. My pocket pistol is the 32acp and probably always will be. I would certainly NOT want to be the person to try to prove that a 32acp is not sufficient for ending hostilites in the hands of a prepared and determined defender. Other calibers are ballistically superior, but six QUICK, ON TARGET shots stringing from COM up the neck to the head will pretty much end the day for most folks. I can do that RELIABLY AND ROUTINELY with a 32 whereas reliabilty and SPEED goes down in that excercise with any 380 or snub nose 38 in the same size range FOR ME. Try it sometime when you go to the range.

Marcus84
September 20, 2008, 05:30 AM
I was lucky and found one marked for $140 when it should have been $300 so I picked it up!

PAC 762
September 20, 2008, 10:09 AM
I replaced my P32 with a P3AT. The P3AT hurts to shoot more that 50 or so rounds, but I would hardly call it "uncontrollable". I cannot tell a discernable difference in size, weight, reliability, or accuracy. A 90 grain .35 caliber bullet beats a 70 grain .30 caliber bullet any day in my book.

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