ok ive been searching hard for a good ccw .380 but i dont like the new ones that much and i already have a ppk ,i dont want a mouse gun .380(keltecs,lcps,etc.) and i want something the size of a colt 1908 preferably ,what are your thoughts here? plz HELP!:confused:
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September 17, 2008, 09:15 PM
How about one of these? Or the P232 that superseded it? It fills the hand much better than the PPK without danger of taking off your skin when it cycles.
September 17, 2008, 09:24 PM
just get a small 9,cheaper to shoot or if you gotta have a 380 look at the CZ 83
September 17, 2008, 09:41 PM
Based on your requirements, I say Sig P230, CZ 83, or Bersa Thunder .380.
September 17, 2008, 09:43 PM
I gotta say the Sig 232 is one on of the prettiest guns ever made. I'm looking for one myself!
September 17, 2008, 10:06 PM
Hey OP, don't you have another thread going just like this one?
Regardless, Taurus makes a Beretta clone in .380 that's often overlooked, but said to be pretty good. Sounds like it might be the size you're looking for. I carry a PPK myself and I love it.
September 17, 2008, 10:23 PM
I'd say try the Bersa Thunder .380 or an FEG-AP9, which is the .380ACP version of the 9x18mm PA63.
Other than the different caliber, the AP9 is the same as the PA63.
September 17, 2008, 10:29 PM
yes i do have a thread like this but im not getting many replies on it,atleast not the ones that i want,im not into the newer stuff like what u guys are showing,thers nothing wrong with them they are just not what im looking for,i want something kinda like the old browning 1910 and colt 1908 style,with a magazine release at the bottom of the grip,and hammerless or a hammer like a mauser hsc (dont recommend the mauser though) in .380 auto of course,also no makarovs or berettas(i know im getting picky,its just not what im looking for)anyway any advise would be good :) thkz :D
September 17, 2008, 10:35 PM
It ain't a favorite, but my P12 Grendel works every time. It ain't real accurate, about 6-7" at 25 off a rest. But, it carries 12 rounds. The trigger sux, but is usable....barely. It's the smallest high cap gun I know of, slightly lighter and smaller than my P11 Kel Tec. It has the neatest heal/clip release I've yet found, neatest thing about the gun. I like the heal release for pocket guns, no chance of accidently dropping the mag if you sit on it or something. It's no longer made and never really popular. It was cheap and hell, like I say, it feeds and ejects 100 percent with ammo it likes. There are better .380s out there, I'm just not really a .380 kinda guy. :D I haven't gotten a LCP or P3AT yet, don't really feel the need. One thing, if you find a used Grendel, make sure it's a P12 and NOT the P10. The P10 had a fixed mag and lots of feeding problems which were fixed in the P12 after the gun's rep was ruined. The P12 is a decent gun if you find a used one. I've found mags for it, not cheap and getting rare.
Personally, I sorta have the hots for a 9x18 Makarov since I shot my son-in-law's. Sights kinda suck, but the trigger is okay and the damned thing is shockingly accurate for a cheap gun. It's got more punch than .380, too. I probably wouldn't carry it that much, prefer my 9x19 Kel Tec P11 with 115 grain JHPs at 1262 FPS packin' 13 rounds. It gives me the warm fuzzies. :D I've had it and my CCW for about 12 years now. It's accurate and reliable and carries easier than most .380s.
The SIG P-232 is a very nice choice for a medium frame .380, as are some of the older designs like the Beretta Model 85 and the Mauser Model HSc. There is also the Colt Government .380, Mustang, and Pony family, though all are out of production and continue to steadily rise in price. If you really want to go "old school", there are still plenty of Browning Model 1910's, Remington Model 51's, and Savage pocket autos out there, though magazines and spare parts are rather hard to find.
September 18, 2008, 12:08 AM
Kahr P380 shipping soon!
September 18, 2008, 12:51 AM
Then go get a old Colt and be done with it. That seems to be what you want . What ever people suggest on 2 different threads you reject. Buy a Colt you can find them not all that hard. Their are parts and mags out their also.
September 18, 2008, 12:59 AM
It never can or will be . . . A .380 is a huge assailant pisser-offer. A .45 ACP stops all further action right now. Some mighty, small-sized .45s are available today. Consider one. cliffy
September 18, 2008, 09:09 AM
I have a Beretta M85FS and think its one of the best .380's out there.
September 18, 2008, 06:02 PM
Can't believe that we have gone this deep into the discussion without someone mentioning the Walther PPK. It's still the grand-daddy of all the .380 autos, it's accurate and reliable, and it's a perfect carry gun for the platform, despite its heft.
September 18, 2008, 08:05 PM
PPK is everything u said and a big plus on the word "heft". Not what I want in my front pocket..
September 18, 2008, 08:26 PM
The OP said he already has a PPK.
September 18, 2008, 08:31 PM
Can't believe that we have gone this deep into the discussion without someone mentioning the Walther PPK
The OP mentioned the PPK in his first post. He wants a Colt 1908 clone, not exactly a tiny pocket gun, certainly larger than a PPK. I can't figure out what he wants.
MICHAEL T said what needed saying.
September 18, 2008, 09:57 PM
I love my Beretta 84 FS, 13 + 1 and two spare magazines in the center console. Fits my hand like a glove, super reliability and sexy. Cons expensive, at first hard to rack the slide.
If you have Cabela's in your area they're selling Browning BDAs on sale for (relatively) cheap seemingly non-stop.
September 18, 2008, 11:48 PM
What is the difference between the Sig 230 & 232?
September 19, 2008, 12:27 AM
First post here. What about an Ortgies? May be the ultimate "Point and Shoot" 380 or 32.
September 19, 2008, 01:00 AM
I love .380's, I agree they probably are not the best 1 shot manstopper out there but if you get a good and reliable .380 that will go bang every time I think you will be fine. In a self defense situation you should shoot till they are no longer a threat or either dead in my opinion no matter what caliber you are carrying. I am very confident carrying my Bersa Thunder 380 loaded with 102gr golden sabers.
September 19, 2008, 08:39 AM
What is the difference between the Sig 230 & 232?
This web site explains and shows the four differences;
Grip panels are different, yet interchangable.
Slide serrations are fewer on the P232.
Internal firing pin safety in the P232.
Sights go from 2 dot to 3 dot, there may be some overlap here in models.
And it's little brothers.
September 20, 2008, 10:18 AM
my 1 and only 380.
russian makarov 12 rds 380. best $200.00 I ever spent.
September 21, 2008, 05:37 PM
From what I've read the NAA is similar to a Seecamp, but just less expensive..From what I've read in regards to their specs, the NAA Guardian is A LOT heavier than a Seecamp 380. Why is it so much heavier? I mean 18oz compated to 11.5 seems like a big difference.
Can someone who has/had both actually feel a noticable difference while carrying in the pocket?
..Just curious...I've also been reading up on the LCP's....but I see the LCP's are larger than both the NAA Guardian and Seecamps....
September 21, 2008, 05:44 PM
I also love my Colt Gov. 380. I don't run a lot of rounds through it, but it has been 100% reliable. And it is sexy too!
September 21, 2008, 11:32 PM
Another option could be finding an HK4.You might even luck out and find one with one or more of the conversion barrels.