Poor victim selection skills...


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JackBurtonJr
September 17, 2008, 11:21 PM
Owner of shop where suspect was killed: 'He came after' my family

Noel Nagi says he was ready to give the gun-toting would-be robber the cash - about $150. "Just don't do anything crazy. There's a baby."

Around the counter-top corner, Nagi's 7-month-old grandson was perched on his father's knee. His mother, Nagi's daughter, stood nearby.

"I don't give a f," Nagi recalls the man saying as he pivoted and leveled the gun at the boy.

Then a customer pulled open the A1A Discount Beverage door. In a heartbeat, the gunman was distracted.

The father, Yamen Abdelfattah, handed off the infant to its mother. She rushed him to the closed office in two steps. The gunman's attention and weapon then returned to Nagi, the store's owner. And the babe's father, a gun-carrying veteran of the check-cashing business, pulled his weapon, rounded the corner and fired.

"Five, six times, I don't know. I've never shot someone," 29-year-old Abdelfattah said, retelling the story Monday morning from the very chair he and his son were in last night at the shop in suburban Lake Worth at 3747 Military Trail just south of 10th Avenue North.

"We believe the employees of the store got the upper hand on him," Palm Beach County Sheriff's Sgt. Rick McAfee said Sunday night, as investigators combed the scene - a man's body still lying inside the doorway, glass from the door shattered around him.

The robber was identified as Robert C. Martin, 35, of 2781 2nd Ave, North Lot 43, Lake Worth.

Martin was responsible for at least one other robbery in suburban Lake Worth, at the Stop and Shop, located at 3802 S. Congress Ave. on Sept. 9. Martin showed a handgun to the clerk and got away with approximately $400 in cash, said sheriff's spokeswoman Teri Barbera.

"We're not expecting charges at this time, but it will be turned over to the State Attorney's Office," Barbera said.

Come Monday morning, Nagi had opened again for business. Customers simply had to push carefully on the emptied glass door.

"I feel sorry for the guy and his family," Nagi said. "But we didn't go after him, he came after us."

And it's not the first time that's happened.

Nagi, a native of Lebanon, opened this little strip-mall grocery at in 1992. Nagi said he was robbed within months - a man pointed a double barreled shotgun at his chest and forced him to the back of the store. Nagi said when the armed man was distracted, Nagi grabbed the gun. He ran, but was caught and served three years in jail, Nagi said.

But Nagi isn't about to quit the little shop where you can get a jar of seasoned pork feet, a can of tuna, some candy corns or a six-pack of Heineken. "What else would I do?" And where else could he do it and still chat with friends and family?

The would-be robber Nagi describes this time started off friendly, smiling even.

Came in and headed for the wall of chilled sodas, beers and his choice, Gatorade, Nagi said. Then he came to the register and asked, "How much for a pack of cigarettes." But rather than go for a wallet, he pulled out a gun.

Abdelfattah had brought his family from their home in Royal Palm Beach to visit his father-in-law. Nagi works so much, it's hard for them to get together, they said. Abdelfattah's had run-ins with robbers too.

"I own a check cashing business. I've been robbed twice. Machine guns," Abdelfattah said. He bought his gun a year ago, Nagi said. The only thing he'd shot at before Sunday night was a target, Abdelfattah said.

He said someone asked why he fired so many shots. He shrugged, "How many shots does it take to kill someone? I don't know."

But he said, "It's family first."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/search/content/local_news/epaper/2008/09/15/0915fatalrob.html

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Ben86
September 17, 2008, 11:30 PM
That man did the right thing. This is justice, instead of the robber going to jail (after more robbing and possibly killing victims), getting paroled and doing it again. Law abiding gun owners should start an epidemic of putting up a fight when loved ones are in danger and take back the streets. The cops can't make the streets safe again, they've had long enough to try and protect a mostly disarmed population and create a utopia. Armed citizens everywhere can make the streets safe again.

Rmart30
September 17, 2008, 11:38 PM
That man did the right thing. This is justice, instead of the robber going to jail (after more robbing and possibly killing victims), getting paroled and doing it again. Law abiding gun owners should start an epidemic of putting up a fight when loved ones are in danger and take back the streets. The cops can't make the streets safe again, they've had long enough to try and protect a mostly disarmed population and create a utopia. Armed citizens everywhere can make the streets safe again.


That about sums it up :)

Maelstrom
September 17, 2008, 11:41 PM
He said someone asked why he fired so many shots. He shrugged, "How many shots does it take to kill someone? I don't know."

I love this mindset.

I didn't know what it would take to kill him so I just kept shooting, just to make sure he was dead.

Not exactly what I would want a jury to hear, though.

p2000sk
September 17, 2008, 11:41 PM
Think of all the incarceration dollars not wasted on this stiff.
Makes me feel all nice and warm.
The system really does work sometimes.
With the money I just saved,
I'm gonna buy some reloading equipment.

atblis
September 17, 2008, 11:43 PM
"We believe the employees of the store got the upper hand on him,"
Uhh, yeah. I believe they did.

Kind of Blued
September 17, 2008, 11:46 PM
"I own a check cashing business. I've been robbed twice. Machine guns," Abdelfattah said.

Whaaa? :confused:

This is the answer to every caliber war ever:

He said someone asked why he fired so many shots. He shrugged, "How many shots does it take to kill someone? I don't know."

Thank God that he had the right to protect his family.

Standing Wolf
September 18, 2008, 12:01 AM
Think of all the incarceration dollars not wasted on this stiff.

It costs more to keep a criminal in prison for a year than it would to send a deserving young person to college anywhere in the country for the same period.

FourNineFoxtrot
September 18, 2008, 12:17 AM
Pity "Mr. Robert C. Martin", otherwise known as "The Deceased", isn't a fan of Pulp Fiction.

He might have benefited from the insight of Tim Roth's character, speaking as to the inherent danger of robbing liquor stores.

Bars, liquor stores, gas stations... you get your head blown off sticking up one of them.
(pretty much the only portion of the character's monologue that isn't too profane or racist to reproduce here)

And they say Pulp Fiction isn't realistic. Pfft.

Edit: I suppose that should say that Mr. Martin wasn't a fan of Pulp Fiction. Past tense, and all that.

Tarvis
September 18, 2008, 02:13 AM
"Why did you fire 6 times??!?!"

"Because I didn't have 7."

deaconkharma
September 18, 2008, 08:27 AM
1)He has been robbed a few times before yet in this business known for higher risk he has a 7 month old? Not what I would want to do with my 7 month olds. I admit, I am psycho-protective of my twin 7 month olds so it may just be me.
2) How many shots does it take to kil- er I mean STOP...

I do like that he said "we didn't go after him, he came after us."

Standing wolf-
"It costs more to keep a criminal in prison for a year than it would to send a deserving young person to college anywhere in the country for the same period." Bravo and well said!

tigre
September 18, 2008, 08:54 AM
Damn it makes me mad that people can't run their businesses without somebody pulling this kind of crap. Mr. Abdelfattah did exactly the right thing, and I hope Mr. Nagi starts arming himself now. I can't imagine running a store like that without a gun.

Prophet
September 18, 2008, 09:05 AM
I can assure you that THAT guy will not be a repeat offender. ;)

Deanimator
September 18, 2008, 09:16 AM
Arthur Buford to Bob Martin: "You too?
Bob Martin to Arthur Buford: "Yep."

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/article3688.html

Fish Miner
September 18, 2008, 09:21 AM
As much as I like this story- I just want to kill one bad rumor...You can't send a kid to any college for the cost of a prisoner. Close but a little over reaching... From the latest Pew Study
"...the average annual cost per prisoner was $23,876, with Rhode Island spending the most ($44,860) and Louisiana the least ($13,009)....

While it seems like you could go to any school, and you could prob get into most, there are lots that cost more per year, almost all would cost that much for you if you were an out of state student....

BruceRDucer
September 18, 2008, 09:23 AM
Well God Bless him. Just God bless him.:)

The man did only what he had to do in the face of that threat.

Aka Zero
September 18, 2008, 09:23 AM
I love the response.

Give the cash no questions, unless threatened. He wasn't going to take a life for $150. He only took it to protect another.

I applaud him.

jrfoxx
September 18, 2008, 12:58 PM
I think the store owner and his family did VERY well here. At the 1st opportunity, the got the baby to safety, and only after that, took another opportunity to engage the BG. Well done, with very wise, quick thinking. Excellent work, IMHO.

Officers'Wife
September 18, 2008, 01:02 PM
Nothing spoils a piece of scums' day quite so fast as finding out his would be victim believes in 9mm instead of 911.

I love a happy ending.

Selena

JackBurtonJr
September 18, 2008, 03:04 PM
I wonder a little bit about the clueless customer, though. :neener:

bigfatdave
September 19, 2008, 07:18 PM
While it seems like you could go to any school, and you could prob get into most, there are lots that cost more per year, almost all would cost that much for you if you were an out of state student....
You could at least send someone to a community college for the same cost as keeping criminals as pets.

plinky
September 20, 2008, 01:59 AM
Yes but I think the real question is "How many store owners could you arm for the same money?"

I don't believe that people turn to armed robbery because they can't find a free ride to college. They do so because they are too lazy to earn a living or have made such poor decisions that a normal paycheck will not fund their lifestyle.

I suppose it is ironic to point out the similarity in costs but that is the only connection IMHO.

I feel for the family in the story. While they were not injured, they will endure a lot of stress and legal issues over this.

dmftoy1
September 20, 2008, 05:43 AM
Well as the father of 3 going to Illinois State University I can say that for $13k per year I could easily keep them in college. The #'s you see quoted for the cost of an education are really overstated because they include the cost of things like food/clothes/entertainment, etc. We told our kids that we'd pay books/tuition and "help" with the living expenses and I think we're spending around $7k a year per kid. FWIW

IMHO the cost of college isn't what keeps most people from going, we've seen friends of my kids who's parents are footing ALL the bills quit after a year or two just because they didn't want to put in the effort. (or put up with the BS of having to parrot back responses to professsors who didn't want you to "think")

Glad to see another scumbag off the streets, hopefully the scumbags family won't file a wrongful death lawsuit or some other type of harassment against the store owner's family.

Have a good one,
Dave

Officers'Wife
September 20, 2008, 11:17 AM
Hi Plinky,

I don't believe that people turn to armed robbery because they can't find a free ride to college. They do so because they are too lazy to earn a living or have made such poor decisions that a normal paycheck will not fund their lifestyle.

That bears repeating. Everyone makes choices, this person made the choice to threaten and rob. While the consequences were severe he has nothing to blame but his own poor judgment!

Selena

SCKimberFan
September 20, 2008, 12:41 PM
My signature says it all.

Eyesac
September 20, 2008, 01:35 PM
Boy, pointing the gun at a baby... Mr bad guy really had it coming.:fire:

SCKimberFan
September 20, 2008, 02:01 PM
Standing wolf-
"It costs more to keep a criminal in prison for a year than it would to send a deserving young person to college anywhere in the country for the same period." Bravo and well said!

Yes, but if they really wanted to learn anything, they would have done better in high school. If they don't want to learn, they ain't gonna!

Daemon688
September 20, 2008, 02:38 PM
Well, I went to the University of Minnesota, living at home. My tuition per semester was at the lowest was $4700 and $5200 when I graduated (2004-2007). My book expenditures per semester was usually around $400-600. So 10k per year would have covered me just fine. I now attend a private graduate school to the tune of 22k per year for tuition only.

Back to the topic: Good for him, another criminal bites the dust.

texas bulldog
September 20, 2008, 05:10 PM
it's nice when poor personal choices are met with personal responsibility for a change...

yesit'sloaded
September 20, 2008, 05:16 PM
We should take up a collection and buy him a box of ammo. I seem to remember people buying someone in Texas another shotgun after he had to shoot on two different occasions.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
September 20, 2008, 05:18 PM
Yep. Let's review the applicable formulas here:

CFOTVSP = ICORT

(Catastrophic Failure Of The Victim Selection Process = Instant Curing Of Recitivistic Tendencies)

And

NOROHLD = 1/AOVYPAGA

(Number Of Rounds Of Hot Lead Dispensed [is inversely proportional to the] Age Of Victim You Point A Gun At)

Warm fuzzies all around. And the government wants to make the dismal failure that is the no-fly list apply to gun purchases, too. Half of the law-abiding citizens in the US from the middle east are on the no-fly list due to their native names, and they'd all be banned from buying/owning guns.

yesit'sloaded
September 20, 2008, 05:20 PM
Delayed blowback doubletap.

R.W.Dale
September 20, 2008, 05:21 PM
AS this loser illustrates, caliber really falls pretty far down my list of CCW priorities.

Having a concealed weapon with you puts you one gun ahead of where the bad guy thinks you are. For the bad guy this is in incredibly $(^%%Y position to be in regardless of caliber


Were it my shop I would paint a perminate outline on the floor of where this would be robber took his eternal dirt nap as advertising and a warning to the next would be robber.

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