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jeff_d_148
September 18, 2008, 07:51 PM
I recently made the decision to join NRA.

Although I have enjoyed the privelage of owning firearms for the last 8 years I have always taken this liberty for granted. I had always assumed that it was something that would always be there, because we live in America and we have the 2nd Ammendment and no person or group of people could take that away from us no matter how determined or unreasonable they may be.

But I look at our current political climate and I am forced to see that our most vulnerable freedom is in serious peril. With Democrats poised to take control of the White House, and already in control of Congress, they will have nothing to lose and there will be nothing to restrain them. Since they probably will not lose elections based solely on their gun control records, and since most voters are not single issue voters, anti-gun politicians will begin by slowly encroaching on our freedoms through "common sense" gun laws. Barack Obama has already voiced approval for a 500 percent federal tax on all firearms and ammunition, which would make owning and practicing with a firearm out of reach for the majority of Americans.

I am a lifelong Democrat and I have never voted for a Repulican so the point of this rant is not to get people to vote for John McCain. Because it does not matter who gets elected. In the future, neo-conservative big government Republicans, much like Rudy Giuliani, will most likely want stricter gun control laws to show that they are "tough on crime". Look at countries like England and Australia where stricter gun control is a bipartisan issue, with support from an overwhelming majority of both conservative and liberal politicians. After the 1987 Hungerford Massacre it was the Conservative Government who passed the Firearms Ammendment Act of 1988, some of the most restrictive anti-gun legislation in the history of the world, second only to the Firearms Ammendment Act of 1997. This is a battle that will be won in the courtroom, not in the voting booth, and that is why NRA and organizations like it are so important.

Gun control is truly a GLOBAL AGENDA. The following video should leave no doubt as to the ultimate intentions of anti-gun extremists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmg_zMuQEDk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WwLz9hBZfM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD1YmYuRtI8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVKvyYqtJ1w

Keep in mind that Rebecca Peters is not even a United States citizen. And she believes that the arbitrary UN gun fiats should supercede the sovereignty of the United States Constitution. Notice how she tries to mask the true intentions of anti-gun extremists by saying that they do not want to criminalize all civilian ownership of firearms. Does that sound familiar? Then when confronted by her own literature she is forced to admit the truth. That she believes that semi-automatic weapons serve no legitimate purpose in the hands of private citizens, including ALL semi-automatic rifles and handguns. She also believes the same of any weapon that is capable of shooting over 100 yards. That would include ANY rifle of ANY type action of ANY calibre, and rifled or non-rifled shotgun slugs. You heard that right. In the same breath she states that she believes that all handguns, shotguns, and rifles should be illegal, then states that she does not want to deprive private citizens of the right to own all types of weapons.

If you believe, like I used to, that you can sit back and take your Second Ammendment rights for granted, that something like this can never happen in the United States of America, just look at Australia. It is a country that up until approximately 10 years ago enjoyed almost the same freedoms as Americans. And now that they have given up those rights they will NEVER get them back. It can happen, will happen, and would already have happened in America were it not for NRA. Becuase of their lobbying and legislative action most states now issue honest, hard-working, law-abiding citizens the right to concealed carry for lawful self-defense purposes. Washington DC residents are now allowed to own a firearm in their own residence. These are just a few, but the list goes on. If you exercise the right of gun ownership, you owe that freedom to the direct efforts of NRA.

This is a bipartisan issue. Whether you are liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, if you consider yourself a freedom loving American, join NRA. Reason does not always triumph over passion and blind ideology. Freedom is not free. And history if full of lessons that teach us that freedom does not last forever. And once freedom is lost it is never gained back. $25 a year is a small price to pay to ensure that our 2nd Ammendment rights endure forever.

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BeltfedMG
September 18, 2008, 08:04 PM
The NRA did nothin for me except fight against me in court so i dropped my membership and they can go to hell.

I live in the country, in MO. Neighbors after 3 yrs of being cool with me got pissy and tried sueing me for $36,000 and to say i can never shoot on my property agin, sayin i was a nuiscance. I have berms in my backyard (Feild) that i dont even have to have by law, county cops come here to shoot with me, wasnt nothin to see cop cars in driveway and officers in uniform shootin in back yard.

Anyway, the court process lasted for 3 yrs and we spent 2 days in court, the first day there was a guy there no one knew, when he took the witness stand we found out he was a nra rep and he had been to my house and took pics of my berms and everything and fought tooth and nail against me. (I found this funny cause i contacted the nra when this all started and they said they couldnt help but the nra can show up for a non nra member to fight against a member) The neighbors lost the case and when court was over my lawyer asked their lawyer "How did you get the nra here? We tried" Their lawyers response "We paid him enough!"

I called the nra and asked if it was common practice to send a nra member to fight against a nra member and his rights and they said if you have a problem contact our lawyers. I told them to cancel my membership and never call me again.

I have no respect for them.

GigaBuist
September 18, 2008, 08:11 PM
Got a case number or any other identifying information for that, Beltfed? It'd definitely like to know more about that situation!

BeltfedMG
September 18, 2008, 08:31 PM
Email sent with the case #

WheelgunZealot
September 18, 2008, 09:40 PM
Thanks for those videos. That lady is apepuckies nuts!! What does she care anyway, she's Australian. You like the gun laws there then go "down under" and stay there. She's so smug too. :barf:

I don't know how those in the crowd restrained themselves.

jeff_d_148
September 18, 2008, 09:45 PM
I wish I knew all the details of the case BeltfedMG. I am sure there is a reasonable explanation and that you are not telling both sides of the story.

jeff_d_148
September 18, 2008, 09:55 PM
WheelgunZealot "That lady is apepuckies nuts!!" That would be funny if she hadn't been awarded the Australian Human Rights Medal for her her advocacy of gun confiscation.

"She's so smug too." She's beyond smug. She embodies the word that I reserve for the only most depraved and vile of women. But I won't call her that here because I'm taking thehighroad.

yenchisks
September 18, 2008, 10:07 PM
If what Beltfedmg said is true, it makes me sick to my stomach

BeltfedMG
September 18, 2008, 10:07 PM
Jeff, are you a nra recruiter?

GigaBuist
September 18, 2008, 11:59 PM
I wish I knew all the details of the case BeltfedMG. I am sure there is a reasonable explanation and that you are not telling both sides of the story.

I did a really quick search via Google w/ the case number that Beltfed gave me and ran across something that was apparently written by the plaintiff.

Here it is:I am the person whom posted the "really long" comment with the automatic weapon neighbors whom endanger the entire neighborhood here in Mid-Missouri. I apologize that my name was omitted. I am Jan Walker. I ended the quote there so we don't see the actual case number unless Beltfed wants to make that public. She continues:I hope that I made it perfectly clear that, as a homeowner with guns in the house, I do not favor burdening responsible shooters with more restrictions; however, what we're doing isn't working and when what you're doing isn't working then you need to change what you're doing.

We've taken God out of school and public so that we don't offend, we've been loosening the restrictions on weapons and any number of offenses, we've been so busy being concerned about offending someone's delicate sensibilities that we seem to have lost a sense of values and decency in today's society. This appears to breed "dis-associated" youths such as the ones involved in the school shootings in addition to other societal predators.

Maybe it's time that we stopped focusing so much on rights and started focusing on what is right - even if it costs we responsible shooters some rights. We need to focus on responsibilities.

I state again - with rights come responsibilities.I'm honestly at a loss as to why the NRA would take that case.

Granted, I have no idea if this comment is from the actual plaintiff, but the odds of somebody coming up with a case # and whining about it on the internet when they're not a party to the matter seems pretty darned small to me.

I might try and dig around some more, but it'll probably have to wait until this weekend.

MinnMooney
September 19, 2008, 12:04 AM
I've been an NRA member for 6-8 years now and a gun owner/shooter for 55 years.. I am ashamed that it took me that long to join this organization that does so very much to help us protect the 2nd amendment.

I have no clue as to the full facts of BeltFed's case but we're only hearing one side and that seems to be a very angry side. Maybe his facts are accurate or maybe they leave out anything which makes his case look bad. Like what did the NRA "rep" testify to? Was the amount of shooting excessive? (Remember - wasnt nothin to see cop cars in driveway and officers in uniform shootin in back yard.

The transcript would solve the mystery or back up BeltFed.

Everything that I've read about the NRA is pretty good. They keep track of hundreds of polititians and their voting records. They publish accounts of whenever a weapon is used in a legal and just manner for self-defense. Their publications warn us of anti-gun legislation. I'm not seeing a down side to them.

Nate C.
September 19, 2008, 12:11 AM
Without addressing the criticism previously referenced:

The NRA is definitely not perfect. However, it is essentially the only big hairy gorilla in Washington that is concerned with 2AD issues. There are other 2AD advocacy organizations present in the Beltway, but the NRA is the biggest. And the hairiest. (Sometimes I wonder why I never went into marketing?)

cliffy
September 19, 2008, 12:17 AM
Why are they trying to sell me life insurance, rifle scopes, etc. continually? The NRA rifle scope has terrible quality according to all reviews I've read. I don't need or want more life insurance, and what's with the super-expensive "NRA" Mini-14 Ruger with a stinky 16 1/8" or so barrel? Sorry, but! The Mini-14 I MIGHT buy is cheaper and has an 18 1/2" barrel. Yes, I'm a supportive member through annual dues. cliffy

BeltfedMG
September 19, 2008, 12:40 AM
My shooting was not excessive, on the weekends i sat in backyard with wife and kids and we would shoot at targets in backyard, sometimes a freind would come over, not a bunch, just one guy, same guy everytime. Our shooting session would last couple hrs. Durin the week, the kids shoot their .22's and 223 , no big deal. The neighbors once asked me to quit shootin for a month so they could train their bird dog, i did, then a month later they brought me a 6 pack of beer, i dont even drink? I tried workin with them, they just decided one day they was gonna make a stink. As for the cop in the drive way, it wasnt all the time, wasnt that much at all, its just the fact that it wasnt uncommon for the cops to show up and shoot and yes, they was in their cop car and uniforms. The case went further then it should have. Could of been resolved like neighbors but....

jakemccoy
September 19, 2008, 12:47 AM
That lady in the videos made my blood pressure go up. I wasn't prepared for that.

By the way, I initially joined the NRA because of their involvement in the San Francisco gun ban case. I decided to become a life member because I was going to give them extra money anyway. Also, I have a home office, and the NRA certificate on the wall is a subtle hint to clients that it might not be a good idea to visit me unannounced at 1am. I'm also a life member of the SAF. No organization is perfect, but any gun organization that can defend the Second Amendment better than me individually will get my support.

jakemccoy
September 19, 2008, 12:57 AM
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Mickstix
September 19, 2008, 01:00 AM
How close were your neighbors?? A couple hours of shootin sat and sun with you, your wife and your friend. Then a couple hours of the kids shootin mon-fri.. Throw in a cop or two stoppin by every now and then?? Probably resembles the sounds of a gun range? I could see that gettin on my nerves too.. (If that was the case) Same as the kid down the street practicing his drums a couple hours a night.. Sounds fine for a while, but gets old fast if your not in the mood for loud noise.. But reguardless of that, I still dont see why the NRA would get involved.. Especially for the plantiff??

Gunnerpalace
September 19, 2008, 01:02 AM
So What would one have to do to get on the NRA board?

jeff_d_148
September 19, 2008, 11:30 AM
BeltfedMG, No I am not a recruiter for NRA. Just a concerned citizen voicing their opinion.

No organization is perfect. I am very sorry that you feel that you were wronged. Since I always try to hear both sides of a story and understand all the facts I find it impossible to form an opinion on your situation. Would you please provide a case number and the county in Missouri where the case was tried so that I may look up any court transcripts which support or discredit your case?

The fact that you have the right to own a fully automatic weapon is a testament to the gun lobby. There is not another nation in the world which would afford a private citizen that right. If you are dissatisfied with NRA join another organization. NRA is the most organized and effective gun lobbying organization in Washington, but there are many other groups who are battling for your 2nd ammendment rights.

My intent in posting this thread was not to start an argument on the merits of an individual case. There is too much division in this country and what gun owners need is unity. That is what NRA represents to me.

BeltfedMG
September 19, 2008, 01:04 PM
The nra has nothin to do with why i can legally own. Its because of the nra we no longer can make MG's like we used to. The nra helped with the 1986 MG ban. Check into it.

MakAttak
September 19, 2008, 01:08 PM
The nra has nothin to do with why i can legally own. Its because of the nra we no longer can make MG's like we used to. The nra helped with the 1986 MG ban. Check into it.

And the other shoe drops...

BeltfedMG
September 19, 2008, 01:35 PM
Other shoe drops???

Whats that?

Look, im not tryin to start a fight, you spoke your feelins on the nra and i spoke mine. Fact of the matter is the nra came to my trial, not to help a member but instead to fight against a member for a non member and when asked how they got him to show up "we paid him enough" was the answer. Yes i shoot, yes i shoot MG's, not all the time cause who can afford it? Yes i tried being courteous, i stop when asked, no i dont like the nra, wont even capitalize them, to me they are not worthy of anything. Not gonna fight about this here, have done it on other sites and it just goes on and on. I won the case, how bad was I?

SuperNaut
September 19, 2008, 01:54 PM
What is a NRA Recruiter?

Sounds like a nifty job.

MakAttak
September 19, 2008, 04:28 PM
Other shoe drops???

Whats that?

Look, im not tryin to start a fight, you spoke your feelins on the nra and i spoke mine. Fact of the matter is the nra came to my trial, not to help a member but instead to fight against a member for a non member and when asked how they got him to show up "we paid him enough" was the answer. Yes i shoot, yes i shoot MG's, not all the time cause who can afford it? Yes i tried being courteous, i stop when asked, no i dont like the nra, wont even capitalize them, to me they are not worthy of anything. Not gonna fight about this here, have done it on other sites and it just goes on and on. I won the case, how bad was I?

"The other shoe drops" or "waiting for the other shoe to drop" refers to something that inevitably follows something else. In the saying its when someone drops one shoe, the other will follow shortly (apparently this is from an old vaudeville gag).

In this case, the inevitability is that once someone starts an NRA thread, someone claims the NRA is behind the evil plan to steal our machine guns. It has happened and will continue to happen no matter how many times the actual situation is explained. I will not do so here as those who actually lived through it are far better equipped than I.

Edit: Also, I meant to apologize- I meant no offense. (I am always reminded by my better half that I need to remember how things I say may be taken...)

BeltfedMG
September 19, 2008, 04:31 PM
Got it, thanks.

Hk91-762mm
September 19, 2008, 08:47 PM
I was a anual member for years -When Bill klinton Started the 94 AW ban I joind as a LIFE Member -Im nor rich Fact I just pay My bills --I wish I could do more for them !
As to those who Carp about the fund raising letters --You can call and request them to stop sending them Or go online and fill out the link!
I absolutly beleave that the NRA has made mistakes -I wish we could go back and redo some Bills . But Really We must Look forward -Elect board members who cherish MGs.and EBRs. Ted [DA Nuge] Nugent for example -If we had 75% of the board who felt Like him We would be all set-!
The GOA message board will turn you all off as to joining the GOA.
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/
If not for the NRA we would have no Gun rights ! The NRA was started as a Gun and Target shooting ORG. they were forced into the gun rights Protection Role ! Thank goodness we have them ![Even if Im not a Fan Of Wayne]

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