When are the Ruger .327ís going to get here?


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ice monkey
September 18, 2008, 10:25 PM
I have been checking the Ruger web site regularly, nothing! :banghead: Ö When are their SPís in .327 going to make it to stores?? Arg! Anyone have any info?

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461
September 18, 2008, 10:35 PM
They've been available for a long time, just not in huge volumes. Lots of folks have them. Mines not factory but the round is amazing.

ice monkey
September 18, 2008, 10:41 PM
Why is it I canít seem to get one out my way then? ARG. Thanks 461 Ė Iíll try harder. Do you reload your .327? If you do Ö what have you come up with?

ARTiger
September 18, 2008, 10:47 PM
Fondled one in my LGS today. Was $469 and all I could do to keep it from following me home.

ice monkey
September 18, 2008, 10:51 PM
You're killing me :what:

Rmac58
September 18, 2008, 11:27 PM
Can anyone explain why a .327 is so amazing?
What are the advantages vs. anything else?
A fella at work wants one because it's different, and there is a certain amount of non-conformism about it, but any other reason?

ArchAngelCD
September 19, 2008, 12:07 AM
Rmac58,
This has been written up in every gun publication for the past 4+ months and discussed several times on this forum.

Basically with the .327 Magnum you get "almost" .357 Magnum performance with 30% less recoil. You also get 6 rounds in a small revolver instead of the customary 5 that have been standard for many years. Those are the 2 high points from the way I see it.

Do a search on this forum and you will get some additional information.

BigBlock
September 19, 2008, 12:42 AM
I actually saw a box of cheap American Eagle .327 plinking ammo at Cabelas. Surprised to see that so fast...

thebucket
September 19, 2008, 01:04 AM
There was one in the case last weekend at one the local stores. It looks nice and I'm torn on better .357 ballistics versus less recoil + 1 more shot.

Rmac58
September 19, 2008, 01:06 AM
Thanks ArchAngelCD, I personally am not interested, but will pass along the info you provided.

ArchAngelCD
September 19, 2008, 01:16 AM
Never mind!

EDIT: The words "never mind" in this post were written because I made a mistake but you can't delete a mistake so I wrote "never mind." It was not in response to Rmac58's post!!!!! :o

Rmac58
September 19, 2008, 04:42 AM
^^ don't take offense.
My friend at work mentioned that caliber, and I was curious.
I own six handguns, only two of which are the same caliber, none being .327, which is why I'm not interested in yet another size round to have on hand.
If he gets one, I'll be sure to test it out.

gwnorth
September 19, 2008, 07:56 AM
There's a store near me (central VA) with one in the display case - it's been there for weeks too. I've looked at it, but decided I want to wait to see if the calibre takes off enough to drop the ammo prices. It would cost more to shoot then any other calibre I have (.357, .45 and 9mm), and I just don't feel like buying into another, and very pricey, calibre right now.

graybeard321
September 19, 2008, 10:53 AM
AI just picked mine up this past weekend at clark bothers in Northern Virginia. It took me 5 months to find 1.
It's a nice gun has more bite then you think, and ammo is expensive.

robsc
September 19, 2008, 11:07 AM
I have seen only one .327magnum revolver. The Charter Arms 4 inch barrel stainless. Price is $419.00 new. Not available in blued steel. Maybe the Ruger sp101 is smaller/less heavy? I haven`t seen one. Don`t know price yet. Was thinking of asking a dealer about ordering one.

Stainz
September 19, 2008, 11:37 AM
Keep in mind, the predecessor, .32 H&RM, was around since 1984 - and everyone but Charter Arms (.32M Undercoverette) had dropped them as of last year due to poor sales. Reportedly, Ruger had a glut of the 3" SP101 in .32 H&RM last year - then out comes the '.327 Magnum', which, oddly, would only require rereaming the chambers deeper - and restamping the caliber - voila, .327 Magnum SP101!

I had a 4" .32H&RM SP101 until early in the summer. It has a cheesy windage-only adjustable rear sight. The chambers - like my 4.6" BHG SSM - measured .337+", barely in SAAMI specs. Since my Dillon dies sized my Starline brass to the same .334" as commercial brass, both would bulge slightly - even weak .32 S&WL MagTech lead - in the chambers, making extraction much more difficult - and 'working' the brass, reducing it's reloadable life. My local pusher had to return the next to the last one he got in, just weeks ago - it spit too much - timing/oversized chambers suspected. The last one had obvious chamber problems - never sat in the display case - went back last week.

I left the .32 H&RM/S&WL world because ammo & reloading supplies were getting hard to find and as expensive as .38 Special. I'd rather launch the .38 Special - I have a lot nicer firearms to launch them in than an SP101. YMMV.

Stainz

PS The GA Arms 100gr (XTP) JHP in .32 H&RM was chrono-ed from my 4" SP101 at 1,186 fps - pretty hot - and nasty (spit!).

graybeard321
September 19, 2008, 11:44 AM
Payed #511 for my Ruger sp101

Schmidlin
September 19, 2008, 12:18 PM
i just seen a .327 that said performance center on it at gander mountain. It really looked nice but they wanted like 650 for it. 4" barrel bead blasted bobbed hammer. Nice looking gun

ArchAngelCD
September 19, 2008, 01:34 PM
^^ don't take offense.
My friend at work mentioned that caliber, and I was curious.
I own six handguns, only two of which are the same caliber, none being .327, which is why I'm not interested in yet another size round to have on hand.
If he gets one, I'll be sure to test it out.
Rmac58,
NO NO NO, when I said "Never Mind" I was talking about that post. I made a mistake and because you can't delete your own post I just wrote "never mind." I was in no way saying that to you... Sorry for the confusion, I'll amend the post right now so no one else gets the wrong idea...

461
September 19, 2008, 07:46 PM
I haven't had a chance to do any reloading for the .327 yet, I'm burning through the factory rounds I picked up first in order to get the brass. I haven't been able to shoot much lately due to job and life changes but it's starting to clear up so I should be able to play soon.

Gaucho Gringo
September 20, 2008, 07:53 PM
I would like to see the .327 mag in a Ruger Single Six or Bearcat, Heritage Rough Rider, S&W .22 revolver or any of the other guns that were chambered in .32H&R mag. I would think that most of them would be able to handle it, the main grinch being cylinder length. I would buy one in the above mentioned small frame SA revolvers, not too interested in snub nose double action revolvers.

NCMom
September 22, 2008, 01:18 AM
I have been perusing your forum for the last few days gathering info to take with me to our local gun show. Lots of wonderful info here! Many thanks.
I have carried an S&W 3913LS for a good many years but alas, middle age eyesight has made laser grip sights seem important. Needed to find something else to carry and was told the .327 would be a good option. I considered lots of other things but after looking at several choices today, found and bought the Ruger SP101 in .327. Don't know if they have any others but am guessing they can get them. Here is a link to the folks I bought mine from:
http://www.villagepawnandgunshop.com/index.shtml
They had the price at $425.00 and were willing to bargain a bit.
For anyone interested in the SP101 in .357 they had one with Ruger factory Crimson Trace grips for $575., if I remember correctly. Seemed like a good price. From what I can tell, the Ruger factory grips are the pricier rubber wrap arounds and not the hard polymer. Best of all, the folks were very patient and helpful answering all my questions. This was my first revolver purchase so I had a lot of them to be answered!
Hope this is helpful to anyone looking for the .327. Oh...and they also had the Charter Arms in .327. Just didn't feel quite as good in my hands and I don't recall the price.
Yes, the ammo is pricey, but you can use regular .32's for target shooting and save the $$ stuff for carry.

R.W.Dale
September 22, 2008, 01:33 AM
this cartridge makes me wish I hadn't sold my 4" 32H&RM sp101, otherwise I'd have a reamer on the way

ice monkey
September 23, 2008, 01:33 AM
Well congrats on your new .327 NCMom!!

And welcome to THR!! :)

I hope you post again and let me know how you like your new .327 Ö And thanks for the link to your shop as well.

freakshow10mm
September 23, 2008, 01:54 AM
I already bought one, fired it, got tired of it, and sold it. Never missed it. Been a few months now.

ArchAngelCD
September 23, 2008, 03:39 AM
Originally Posted By: Gaucho Gringo
I would like to see the .327 mag in a Ruger Single Six or Bearcat, Heritage Rough Rider, S&W .22 revolver or any of the other guns that were chambered in .32H&R mag. I would think that most of them would be able to handle it, the main grinch being cylinder length. I would buy one in the above mentioned small frame SA revolvers, not too interested in snub nose double action revolvers.
What I would like to see is a Carbine in .327 Magnum. I'm betting a Marlin 1894 chambered in .327 would be a big hit and probably aid in this .32 escaping "the curse of the .32" here in the USA.

GaryP
September 23, 2008, 04:08 AM
Reportedly, Ruger had a glut of the 3" SP101 in .32 H&RM last year - then out comes the '.327 Magnum', which, oddly, would only require rereaming the chambers deeper - and restamping the caliber - voila, .327 Magnum SP101!


:what::what:

The Ruger SP101 in .32 H&R Mag would need a new cylinder to accommodate the .327Mag round due to the fact that the .32 H&R Mag cylinder is too short for this round!

:evil:

Fishman777
September 23, 2008, 12:46 PM
These guns are selling very, very well. I spoke with someone from Davidson's a few weeks ago. I didn't call about these sp101s, but that gal at Davidson's told me that Ruger is struggling to keep up with the demand for LCPs and .327 magnum sp101s. As a result, they've slowed down production on some other guns.

A lot of shooters are not active on shooting forums, so don't be too shocked that you haven't seen more posts on these guns. The .327 magnum seems like a very interesting round. I'd love to have one. If the ammo was the same price as .38 special or .357 magnum, I'd already own a .327 sp101. It sounds like a great round, but it is just too expensive. If the .327 magnum takes off and the prices come down, I'll eventually pick one up. I'm not a reloader and probably will not get into it in the near future, so reloading is not an option.

don95sml
September 23, 2008, 06:35 PM
Schmidlin wrote:
i just seen a .327 that said performance center on it at gander mountain. It really looked nice but they wanted like 650 for it. 4" barrel bead blasted bobbed hammer. Nice looking gun
Just curious: was it the S&W Performance Center? I suspect it wasn't, since I haven't heard that S&W has yet recognized this caliber. But if it was S&W, that's what it will take to keep the caliber from fading into history.

461
September 23, 2008, 07:37 PM
The Ruger SP101 in .32 H&R Mag would need a new cylinder to accommodate the .327Mag round due to the fact that the .32 H&R Mag cylinder is too short for this round!


Not true!! The .327 fits the cylinder and frame window fine on the SP-101 as it's built for the .357. Mine is proof. The Single-Sixes are another story, but several gunsmiths have already converted many of them.

The Bearcat was never chambered in .32H&R but it has been converted with a lot of dollars and effort from some great gunsmiths. I've not heard of any .327 Bearcats yet but I wouldn't want to touch one off. :what:

gbran
September 23, 2008, 09:07 PM
Charter Arms is advertising their 327's.

I'd like to see an S&W jframe, 6 rnd 327.

jakk280rem
September 23, 2008, 09:45 PM
forget the ruger. i'm waiting for s&w to do an 8 shot L frame night gaurd.
I'd like to see an S&W jframe, 6 rnd 327.
that too. maybe an airweight hamerless.

NCMom
September 23, 2008, 11:30 PM
Ice Monkey....Won't be shooting the .327 until I get the Crimson Trace sights.
Would just be a waste of time and not accurate assessment of the gun due to my less than wonderful eyesight. When I have them and do get to try the gun out, I will post back and let you know what I think.
For those who are concerned about the cost of ammo......it will also shoot 32 H&R mag, 32 s&w and 32 s&w long. I bought the 32 s&w long to practice with and the .327 Fed mag for carry.
And a little private campaign of mine.....if anyone has an S&W 3913 or 3913LS that they wish Crimson Trace made laser grips for, PLEASE go to their website and let them know! Apparently that is how they determine which models to make the grips for. I really love that little gun and don't want to retire her. I know this is the revolver forum, but just figured it was worth mentioning!

NCMom
October 13, 2008, 01:09 PM
I finally got to take the new SP101 .327 with her brand new Crimson Trace laser grips out to shoot this week end. I'm sure we didn't give her what many would consider a proper break in but we put about 50 rounds through her. Most of that was the plain .32 but did use some of the .327 just for comparison.
"We" would be myself, husband and son. Hubby and son are both quite tall with normal male strength and large hands. I am just the average size middle age female with average size female hands. Not sure any of that matters but it might.
We all were very pleased with the gun. None of us are experts by any means but were able to get acceptable groupings. Hubby and son found the laser a bit more difficult to adjust to than I did. The gun was comfortable for all of us to shoot. The .32's obviously are less recoil but the .327's are not overwhelming.
Son did shoot the gun without using the laser and found himself to be more accurate that way. I found the laser very helpful just because of middle age eyesight issues.
We are all more familiar with shooting autoloaders than revolvers but even taking that into consideration, found the gun comfortable and accurate.
So..FWIW, from the three of us, the SP101 .327 is a keeper!

SwordRapier
October 30, 2008, 03:04 PM
I have done a lot of reading on this board and on other boards it seems to me that the people who do most of the complaining about the caliber seem to be ones that have never fired the thing but, these complainers seem to have alot of firearm experience :banghead: It makes it difficult for someone like me to understand who to believe. :banghead:

That being said I am looking at the caliber and wonder if anyone has any experice the the new Charter arms weapons in gereral also, I wonder if any one has specific experience with the charter arms .327 in either the 2" or 4".

Having never seen either of them in person I don't really have an opinion. I think I prefer the 4" but only becasue I seem to shoot a longer barrel better.

ArchAngelCD
October 31, 2008, 02:33 AM
Charter Arms has gone through several incarnations. The current owners seem to have their act together and their QC seems to be much better than in the past.

If you're not in a hurry you might want to wait a while before buying anything. It's rumored S&W will be coming out with a J frame chambered in .327 Federal Magnum. (remember, I said rumored) I think I read somewhere Taurus was going to chamber several revolvers in .327 too.

SwordRapier
October 31, 2008, 02:42 AM
thank you ArchAngelcd

ugaarguy
October 31, 2008, 02:47 AM
It's rumored S&W will be coming out with a J frame chambered in .327 Federal Magnum.
My boss was in Springfield, Mass all of last week at S&W dealer event. He gave me strong indications that's more than rumor. Look for something soon.

ArchAngelCD
October 31, 2008, 03:11 AM
SwordRapier,
You're welcome, glad I could help.

ugaarguy,
That's good news, thanks...

General Geoff
October 31, 2008, 03:58 AM
I want to see a 10 shot N-frame .327 Mag. :)

Timthinker
October 31, 2008, 04:55 AM
Given that Ruger and Smith compete with one another in the handgun market, Smith will not concede an advantage to its rival. With this in mind, Smith may be biding its time to gauge the sales of the .327 Magnum Rugers while planning the introduction of its own .327 design. I suspect Smith will modify one of its existing designs to accomodate this new round. Time will tell. My insights tell me that Ugaarguy is correct in that Smith has something in the offing.


Timthinker

SwordRapier
November 2, 2008, 01:22 AM
Well then I hope is their offering is somthing along the lines of the model 60. I don't think that I can shot a 2" with any degree of accuracy. Course I haven't tried in a very long time.

Rxxdoc
November 2, 2008, 08:14 AM
How does the .327 compare to the .32NAA?

Also, can you shoot .32ACP through a .327 magnum like you can shoot .38 special through a .357 magnum?

I was thinking of getting a Guardian in .32NAA, but it seems the round just isnít going to stay around in the long run.

ugaarguy
November 2, 2008, 03:46 PM
How does the .327 compare to the .32NAA?
.327 Federal Magnum is a long straight wall case with a pretty high max pressure. .32 NAA is the tiny .380 ACP necked down, and max pressure is comparably low. There really is no comparison.
Also, can you shoot .32ACP through a .327 magnum like you can shoot .38 special through a .357 magnum?
.357 Magnum is a lengthened .38 Special case to prevent it from being chambered in weaker .38 Special guns. .327 Federal Magnum is a lengthened .32 H&R Magnum case, itself a lengthened .32 S&W case. The length was added each time to prevent the higher pressure cartridge from chambering in weaker guns for made the parent, and in this instance grandparent, case. You could safely shoot .32 S&W and .32 H&R Mag in a gun chambered for .327 Fed Mag.

.32 ACP is a semi-rimmed auto case. Despite people getting away with running .32 ACP through some .32 cal revolvers it's just not a good idea.

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