Where would you find a whitney revolver replica?


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Tomahawk674
September 20, 2008, 11:07 PM
I really like the look of it, and I was wondering where to find a replica. I have googled for a while and the only mention of a whitney replica I can find is from past auction from a website. The other hits are from the Spiller & Burr replica, which I would look into if it didn't have a brass frame.

Any ideas?

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arcticap
September 21, 2008, 12:07 AM
According to the threads below, Palmetto made one but I can only find the Spillier & Burr finished revolver & the kit on the Dixie website:

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_187_189&products_id=911

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_162_194&products_id=912

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=389266&highlight=whitney

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=338621&highlight=whitney

Deer Creek (phone 765-525-6181) also sells the brass frame Spillier & Burr.

Tomahawk674
September 21, 2008, 12:24 AM
I see, it seems that the Whitney replica was once made by palmetto, but according to those threads, the quality was horrible. Either way, I can't find anything on palmetto on Goggle, so I'm guessing they don't exist anymore.

Thanks for the info anyways.

scrat
September 21, 2008, 12:43 AM
deer creek for sure. great people. i believe it is in their catalog. if i can find it

Tomahawk674
September 21, 2008, 12:45 AM
Got a link/phone Scrat?

arcticap
September 21, 2008, 01:45 AM
It's at the end of my post, they have no website, only a phone number and a catalog made from real paper! :D

Smokin_Gun
September 21, 2008, 02:23 AM
Deer Creek (phone 765-525-6181) also sells the brass frame Spillier & Burr


SG:evil:

Tomahawk674
September 21, 2008, 10:00 AM
SG, could you run that by me again? I'm afraid I didn't get it ;)

scrat
September 21, 2008, 11:44 AM
When you call up its a family run outfit. No internet ads or website. The lady that answers the phone is very nice. Very knowledgeable. Their prices are very good. Just copy the phone number that SG wrote earlier

ohioarmedneutrality
September 21, 2008, 12:30 PM
If I am not mistaken, I believe it was a Whitney revolver that Lewis Powell used in the assassination attempt on Sec. of State Seward. It would be cool to own a repro of that model.

Tommygunn
September 21, 2008, 01:13 PM
Dixie Gun Works sells one. I bought one from them a few years back; it's made by Palmetto, which is not one of the better replica manufacturers, but it has worked okay. The grips were not really finished as well as they could be. Uberti & Pietta both have higher standards -- especially Uberti, but I will say Pietta has improved and the case hardening is currently better than Uberti.
The Whitney is an expensive gun for what it is.
If it isn't on DGW's website now, maybe they stopped carrying? I have the latest catalog which still lists it.

Okay, I note Scrat has added that DGW apparantly no longer carries the Whitney.
The Spiller & Burr is a near copy except in Brass ... and anyway IMHO Pietta is a better maker of these guns anyway.

scrat
September 21, 2008, 01:35 PM
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_187_189&products_id=911

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_187_189&products_id=2568

no whittney though

bprevolver
September 21, 2008, 02:46 PM
Palmetto produced revolvers for Dixie Gun Works in the early 1980's. Also, they may have sold to other distributors of that time who did not mark their guns. RPRCA has eight Palmetto revolvers in its collection.

Spiller & Burr – - Mfg date 1983 - Marked: SPILLER AND BURR CAL .36 DIXIE GUN WORKS, INC. (Palm Tree logo LtSd Frame)

Remington New Model Army - Mfg date not marked - Marked: REMINGTON NEW MODEL ARMY .44 CALIBER DIXIE GUN WORKS, INC. (Palm Tree logo on Cylinder)

1849 Pocket 6” Barrel (Actually 5 3/3”) – Mfg date not marked - Marked: Only Palm Tree logo on Cylinder.

1861 Whitney – Mfg date 1982 – Marked: 1861 E. WHITNEY .36 CALIBER

1861 Whitney – Mfg date 2002 – Marked: 1861 E. WHITNEY .36 CALIBER

(2) 1855 “Roots” Side Hammer 3” Barrel .31cal. – Mfg 2003 – Marked: MADE IN ITALY BY PALMETTO (RtSd Barrel)

1855 “Roots” Side Hammer 5” Barrel .36cal. – Mfg 2004 – Marked: MADE IN ITALY BY PALMETTO (Under Loading Lever)

The markings on the Remington New Model Army and the 1849 Pocket indicate that these were manufactured in the early 1980’s. Dixie Gun Works was marking their revolvers at this time and the only Palmetto identification was the Palm Tree logo. The 1849 Pocket has only the Palm Tree logo and .31 Caliber on right side of barrel. The Remington and 1849 Pocket of the early 1980’s appear to be assembled parts possibly supplied by other manufacturers. There are no manufacturer info, no date of manufacture, etc., except for the Palm Tree logo on the cylinder.

Another revolver by Palmetto observed is an 1849 Pocket with a 4” Barrel. It is marked: HARFORD POCKET MODEL (On top of barrel), (Palm Tree logo)PALMETTO BESCIA ITALY (Left side of barrel), .31 CALIBER BLACK POWDER ONLY (Right side of barrel). “Hartford” is a brand usually used by EMF.

There is a period from around 1983 to 2002 that Palmetto was no longer active in the manufacture of replica percussion revolvers. In 2000 they again appear. They had a very well done brochure announcing their complete line of firearms, among which, were six revolvers. In 2002 they produced a pocket catalog of their products which included twenty nine replica revolvers.

It is not clear whether they were going to produce these revolvers themselves or distribute revolvers of other manufacturers in addition to their own. The 1861 Whitney and the 1855 “Roots” Side Hammer were of their own manufacture. They advertise that they will produce the 1855 “Roots” in .31cal. with both the
3” & 5” barrel. Only the 3” has been observed. Deer Creek sells the 1855 “Roots” in .36cal. with a 5” barrel. Also, Dixie Gun Works carries the Palmetto “Roots” Revolving Rifle at a hefty $1500.

They do have a web site: http://www.palmetto.it On this web site they are a distributor of many firearms, mostly modern.

This information is taken from the book, "Replica Percussion Revolvers - A Collector's Guide" being researched by the Replica Percussion Revolver Collector's Association. http://rprca.tripod.com

scrat
September 21, 2008, 02:48 PM
bprevolver welcome to thr

arcticap
September 21, 2008, 03:48 PM
That doesn't look like the Palmetto website that I've seen before. It used to have music and playing cards, but not much else.
The one listed above shows moden weapons and has a log in

AussieTH
March 26, 2009, 06:49 PM
This is an old thread but I have just joined the forums and have been through a similar hunt as I wanted some Dragoons to go with my Walker.

Uberti make the full range:

Walker
Whitneyville Dragoon (Transitional Walker)
Plus the 1st, 2nd & 3rd Model Dragoons.

You should be able to take a look at them on www.uberti.com - it is a well presented web site with the full range of other BP etc

Aye

Tony

Tomahawk674
March 27, 2009, 12:43 AM
I'm afraid you're confused, I am talking about the Whitney Navy .36 caliber family of revolvers, as seen here:

http://www.texasranger.org/dispatch/17/pages/Whitney_Revolver.htm

I wasn't talking about the Dragoons made by Whitney, but thanks for ther interest anyways.

dastardly-D
March 27, 2009, 10:54 AM
If anyone is interested in a Whitneyville Hartford Dragoon Revolver,made by Colt Black powder works,I have a friend who is interested in selling his.Comes in a box,not fired,as new.If you are interested please PM me and I will hook you up with this owner.Thanks......dastardly-D

SHIPCHIEF
October 6, 2009, 11:45 AM
I was recently cleaning my BP revolvers and so I came across this thread while researching my 1861 Eli Whitney 36 revolver.
I bought it from a gun shop in Maryland about 1981. I was going to drive a car west, and needed a protection gun for the trip. Naturally they couldn't sell me a modern handgun, but they did 'happen to have' this cap n ball revolver.
Having started handgunning with a 2nd model Dragoon, I knew a cap n ball revolver to be a 'real' weapon.
This particular one is not large. My hands are not real big, but the trigger guard is a snug fit for my trigger finger, smaller than an 1851 colt.The rest of the gun gives the appearance and feel of an 1851 colt, except it has a full backstrap frame like a Remington.
I presume it's made by Palmetto. I'll have to recheck the marking when I get home.
It does have one manufacturing defect, the barrel is visibly leaning to the left. As a result, and not a surprise, it shoots a little to the left.
One fine member of this forum gave me the number for a Cap n ball revolver gun smith that he was particularly satisfied with. So I would like to get this tended to.
Speed and ballance of an 1851 colt, frame strength of a Remington. What's not to like?

pohill
October 6, 2009, 04:52 PM
My Whitney with a Spiller & Burr repro. The Whitney is a good shooter.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/CopyofIMG_0173.jpg

Tomahawk674
October 6, 2009, 06:28 PM
I haven't even seen palmetto whitneys on action sites for a while.... someone please call Uberti up... force them to put out a quality replica of it...

SHIPCHIEF
October 7, 2009, 03:04 AM
Well I got home and check my Eli Whitney 1861:
It's stamped on the left side of the barrel "ARMSPORT INC. MOD.5022".
The top is stamped "1861 E. WHITNEY .36 CALIBER"
The left side of the barrel, from the frame fwd has a shield mark with an incomplete top, then "SM" under a mark, Then "BLACK POWDER ONLY"
The right side of the frame, above the trigger has some unitentifiable mark that appears as a circle over a shield, then an AC inside a square, then a PM under a circle that may be a flower or a palm?
The cylinder has the same, minus the AC in the square.
This gun is blued. It has a co;or case hardened loading lever assembly and a brass trigger guard. It's tight and well clocked.
The barrel is ever so slightly leaning to the left, the only defectThe trigger has a light, normal pull, but the hammer requires a fair bit of force to pull back. The trigger guard is small and a bit tight on my finger, although my wife has no problem with it.
I think I'll set it up for her.

pohill
October 7, 2009, 06:49 AM
Palmetto used a palm tree logo.

mykeal
October 7, 2009, 06:52 AM
It's stamped on the left side of the barrel "ARMSPORT INC. MOD.5022".

I wonder if ARMSPORT isn't really ARMISPORT - Armi Sport, also known as Armi Chiappa, is an Italian manufacturer of high quality single shot pistols; I was not aware that they made revolvers, however, so that might not be correct. Their logo is AC inside a circle.
The left side of the barrel, from the frame fwd has a shield mark with an incomplete top, then "SM" under a mark, Then "BLACK POWDER ONLY"
The 'SM' might stand for Armi San Marco as the manufacturer. It normally precedes the BLACK POWDER ONLY mark on the barrel but without any shield or other marks.
The right side of the frame, above the trigger has some unitentifiable mark that appears as a circle over a shield, then an AC inside a square, then a PM under a circle that may be a flower or a palm?
The cylinder has the same, minus the AC in the square.
The 'circle over a shield' and 'PM under a circle' are the Italian proof house marks. The PM is the black powder proof mark. The 'flower or palm' is actually a five pointed star inside a wavy garland; it's the same shape that's over the shield mark. AC inside a square is the code for year of manufacture, in this case 1977.

Palmetto's palm tree is usually enclosed in an circle, sometimes alone and sometimes with the words 'PALMETTO BRESCIA, ITALY' next to it.

wurfless
October 7, 2009, 07:26 PM
SHIPCHIEF

This is deja vous all over again! I have the same Whitney .36, with the exact same markings, even down to the "AC" 1977 date code described by MYKEAL. Can find no other markings on it inside or out. I hear that Armsport was an importer in Miami, FL. and went belly-up years ago. Gun was junk when I got it from my son, all the guts broken up. Just got it back from the gunshop a couple of days ago. Gunsmith rebuilt it with Pietta Spiller and Burr hammer, trigger, mainspring, hand and bolt. Hammer and trigger pull is light and crisp and action seems great. New trigger must have done the trick, I can now get my fat finger in the trigger guard. Mine was tight like yours, plenty of room now. Only problem is that somebody had put in 4 nipples that were too long in the past. :banghead: Works OK with no caps. When I cap the nipples, the two short ones fire OK, then the first cap on a long nipple rubs the housing and stops cylinder rotation. Waiting for a set of short nipples. Hope it shoots OK. Gun has been used hard and shows it, but they are scarce.

zimmerstutzen
October 8, 2009, 07:20 PM
I have 4 Palmetto guns. One revolver A "Texas" bress frame long barrel remington style, a 50-70 Sharps repro also marked Garret Arms, which is really great, and two single shot Tingle style target pistols, which are also very good quality. The Remington long barrel revolver was a kit and is the worst of the bunch, very gritty feeling action. However, the timing seems excellent and there is no play in the cylinder when the hammer is cocked. (Unlike several other brands I have owned)

Palmetto made a huge bore boler pistol, but they are horribly expensive (as i recall a 1 inch bore, percussion noise maker gun)

A lot of folks have a dim view of Palmetto quality, however, the Garret Arms Sharps was one of the best made. I have heard that Garret specified that the parts interchange with the originals. Mine is better than any other Italian Sharps and in some ways is smoother than a Shiloh Sharps I had the opportunity to shoot.

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