Mossberg vs. Remington


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zahc
September 21, 2008, 10:26 AM
I'm sure this topic has been done before, but Academy has a sale with Remington 870 express for $199.99, and Mossberg 500 (synthetic) for $149.99.

My family has always had 870s and Mossbergs feel 'cheap' to me. However I really like the tang safety on the mossbergs, and as far as I know the mossbergs are just as durable and reliable as the Remingtons...didn't the military use the Mossberg at some point? So it's basically an aesthetic argument whether I want to spend an extra $50 on a familiar feel. What do you think?

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357wheelgunner
September 21, 2008, 10:50 AM
You should buy the 870 for the price of a 500, at $200.

The 870s will outlast the 500s, if you shoot the hell out of them. The military doesn't put as many rounds through their shotguns, at least that's what my buddy, who had a Mossberg 500 in Iraq, told me, so they don't need to stand up to too much shooting. The cheaper 500 suits the military's needs, but isn't the best.

Either will do if you're only going to fire it a few times, but if you are going to use it a lot you might as well pay the extra $50 for the 870.

Chrome
September 21, 2008, 11:00 AM
I'm partial to the 870.

That said, both are time proven platforms that will perform for you until you shoot them out. At that time, you'll be up to your knees in shells and thinking about Citori, etc.

Later,
Chrome...

throdgrain
September 21, 2008, 11:22 AM
Either of them will do just fine. It's easy to say the Remington is better made, and if it was a Wingmaster I'd agree, but the Express? Not so sure.

Also the Mossbergs safety is much easier to use, as is the slide release.

As far as firing it a few times, well a lot of posters on this forum seem to think 250 shells a year is a lot ... my Mossberg is my second gun and I've put over 5000 shells through it in 2 or 3 years, and it's better now than it was when I bought it.





p.s This subject gets covered at least twice a week, every week ... :)

sig228
September 21, 2008, 12:55 PM
Current rebate program makes the 870 Express even $30 cheaper:

http://www.remington.com/pdfs/promo_coupon.pdf

heavyshooter
September 21, 2008, 06:01 PM
"This subject gets covered at least twice a week, every week ... :)" -- throdgrain

Truer words have never been spoken. I think both of these guns are great. It honestly comes down to a matter of preference. It is a Ford vs. Chevy thing (we all know that Chevy is better). :) I will say that the debate can take a potentially negative turn. In spite of the fact that they are both great guns, I have noticed that the Remington proponents can be a little ungracious when they critique Mossberg. I am a Mossberg guy but I will concede that the Remington receiver may be more durable because it is steel instead of aluminum. It has proven reliability and it is runs like a Timex. But I prefer the Mossberg because it is more ergonomically suited to me and it also runs like a clock. I also prefer the lighter weight, the location of the slide release button, the twin extractors (Remington has a single extractor), and that excellent, excellent, EXCELLENT tang safety! Flip a coin, they are both great guns.

This link does a great job of comparing a Mossberg 590SP to and Remington 870 Police. It may help.

http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/content_nonsub/shotguns/compare_870_590.html

CountGlockula
September 21, 2008, 06:21 PM
How ironic.

I was just at my local sporting goods store and did a Remington 870 Express vs. Mossberg 500 comparison. Besides not being able to shoot them, I may pick up the Mossberg later this week. Why? Because the ergonomics of the slide release and safety switch. I did love the 870's wood stock and handguard, but I'm a polymer guy. Also both had bead sights, I'm trying to see if I can grab some ghost ring sights...or find one that already has it.

I'm going to do some more research. That's just my take.

btg3
September 21, 2008, 07:20 PM
Academy has a sale with Remington 870 express for $199.99
Regional pricing? Last week it ran for $229 here (including the $30 rebate). I didn't see it in their ad this week. Have I missed it?

brasskeeper
September 21, 2008, 09:56 PM
870 all the way.

zahc
September 21, 2008, 10:54 PM
the sale ended saturday apparently. It was on the flyer I picked up in the store, the normal Academy flier. This is in Dallas.

NonConformist
September 21, 2008, 11:03 PM
Military shotguns must meet a required amount of full power round to be accepted.

I love mossbergs, but Id buy the Remington

Rshooter
September 21, 2008, 11:18 PM
Neither, look for a Wingmaster police turn-in in 2 3/4.

or

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=110394204

PJR
September 21, 2008, 11:20 PM
This subject gets covered at least twice a week, every week ...
Indeed it does and my answer remains the same. I've owned both. I kept the 870.

guntotinguy
September 22, 2008, 12:10 AM
I have both the 500A tactical and the 870 tactical...a few months ago I would've said...go Mossberg then I got the 870 and I am hooked.Both are great shotguns...but my preference is the 870.

Srigs
September 22, 2008, 07:52 AM
Get the one that feels right to you.

My choice is the Mossberg 500 because the safety is in the "right" place and makes for one less thing to think about when I need to shoot. You can also tell very quickly what state the gun is in with the safety only 5" away from your eye.

Ash
September 22, 2008, 08:37 AM
Having owned both (my first was an 870), I stayed with the Mossberg. Because I use a Valmet 412 over/under as well, the Mossberg is easier to use as they have the safety in the same location. When I used a Savage 720, the 870 was easier because their safeties were in the same location. In either case, they are both great shotguns and will do what you ask of them.

Ash

EHCRain10
September 22, 2008, 02:04 PM
some well made points for and against each model, IMHO you really cant go wrong with either. Try to find someone who has both and do a side by side shoot off, thats what I did and its the reason that I still own both. I prefer the mossberg for HD because of the saftey but the Remington swings better for me while wingshooting.

Either way they are great guns at very good prices and you wont be let down anytime soon by either model.

MCgunner
September 22, 2008, 07:50 PM
I've settled on my Mossberg for ducks. But, mostly it's because it's a somewhat better gun with the tang safety and the hidden shell elevator for a south paw duck hunter. Most guns, including my Winchester 1400, have the shell elevator in the way of loading, just hold it out of the way with the off hand to avoid it pinching your gloved hand, and most have that blasted cross bolt safety that has caused me to miss getting shots on fast moving birds from time to time that I didn't see coming. Tang safeties are much more natural, anyway.

The one knock I have on 870s beyond the left handed thing is the express finish seems to rust on demand in the salt marshes where I hunt. A camo finish on my 500 has been the answer to that. It's held up well for nearly 20 years now. I might add an 870 to my collection some day, but it wouldn't ever be the first gun I'd reach for on the way out the door, so why bother? The Winchester is a bit of a pain with the crossbolt safety for me, but its pay back is it feels like a 20 on my shoulder even with heavy fasteel number 3 duck loads. I could shoot a case in an hour and my shoulder wouldn't bother me and it don't even have a recoil pad....sweet. The Mossberg shoots 3" which I've been using with hevi shot on geese, but I'm trying to get a 10 to replace it for that use.

Ash
September 22, 2008, 09:40 PM
My 870 did rust easily, but it worked just fine.

Ash

Tacbandit
September 22, 2008, 09:52 PM
Never had an 870, but I've got tons of ammo fired through my Mossberg 500, and I bought it after it served years of duty for a police dept. Never had a problem, and I've hunted all sorts of animals with it, shooting through different barrels, different types of shells...I'd match it up against an 870 ANYDAY...
Both are great guns, but I know what a Mossberg will do over the long haul...
Can't beat 'em...Good luck,:)

RaisedByWolves
September 23, 2008, 03:13 AM
"The 870s will outlast the 500s, if you shoot the hell out of them. The military doesn't put as many rounds through their shotguns, at least that's what my buddy, who had a Mossberg 500 in Iraq, told me, so they don't need to stand up to too much shooting. The cheaper 500 suits the military's needs, but isn't the best."






WHaaa????



The Marines use the 590A1, and its about $200 more than the stadard 870 or 500, not that they havent used the 870's also. The 590A1 is the only gun to have survived the militarys (enter gun destruction test # here) and kept working, something like 1500rds of OO Buck and 1500rds of Slugs.



Your bud is messing with you.....

Ash
September 23, 2008, 07:26 AM
One of my 500's is actually from the late 1960's, a single bar version, and it has seen continuous use since then. Even were it a mere 100 rounds a year (less than ten a month), that's still more than 4,000 rounds total (and a large number of those, especially in the last 15 years, have been 3 inch steel shot for duck hunting). I don't compete with it and certainly cannot make an observation about its suitability for that. But I can certainly vouch for its durability. Considering the bolt locks into the barrel on the 500, the receiver undergoes far less stress than an 870 receiver. That makes it more apples and oranges as far as receivers go. The 870 MUST be steel with the current design, the Mossberg can be just about any material.

Again, that is not to bash the 870. Mine was certainly reliable. Rusted easily, which I thought odd as the matte finish should have held oil just fine. But it never gave me troubles all the same. And, were I still using my Savage 720, then I might still use the 870 for ducks given their safeties are in the same place.

Ash

Bababooey
September 23, 2008, 08:05 AM
I have owned a mossy 500 cruiser and my current love a 870 marine mag and the 870 is better constructed and action is better in my opinion,if I had to do it again,the 870 would be the one I buy.

Blakenzy
September 23, 2008, 08:13 AM
Q' on Mossberg safeties...

do they block the sear/hammer? Crossbolt safeties on the trigger guard only block the trigger, is the tang safety any different?

Ash
September 23, 2008, 08:37 AM
Better constructed. I read that in many places and it really means...what? By that do you mean materials used? If so, which materials on the 870 are better than the 500? Barrel steel? Vent Rib? Trigger guard and components? What of the Remmy is better constructed than the Mossberg? That is not some petulant attack on preference, as folks certainly can like what they please. But having owned both, I can't tell one iota of a difference in quality of construction between them.

As to safeties, they block the sear, if I recall correctly.

Ash

Prophet
September 23, 2008, 08:40 AM
I love my mossberg 500. I had problems with the first one I had (barrel slightly misaligned, safety would lock back with recoil) I had it for about half a year and got tired of having to hold the safety forward and tilting the gun to get the beads lined up. I wrote them an email, they paid for shipping both ways and sent me a whole new shotgun (that works perfectly, BTW)

I do prefer the smoother action on the 870, but for the awesome customer service and similar durability I'll take the Mossberg any day.

MCgunner
September 23, 2008, 10:53 AM
As a hunter, I could live 6 lifetimes and not wear out a Mossberg.

Whatever suits ya, they both work. I just like the levers and switch locations on the Mossberg better and the fact that the shell elevator doesn't pinch my thumb when I reload on a cold, wet morning. Mossberg ergos are better. Both guns will kill ducks.

throdgrain
September 23, 2008, 01:39 PM
Whatever suits ya, they both work. I just like the levers and switch locations on the Mossberg better and the fact that the shell elevator doesn't pinch my thumb when I reload on a cold, wet morning. Mossberg ergos are better. Both guns will kill ducks.


Can we have this set as a sticky please ? :)

ronto
September 23, 2008, 04:44 PM
In addition to the safety and slide release locations, try loading an 870 with gloves on...the 500 shell elevator doesn't get in the way...As far as lasting for generations, my grand children can buy their own shotgun...My 500 will last my life-time.

kcshooter
September 23, 2008, 06:25 PM
I prefer Mossbergs based on my experience with thousands of rounds thru both types.
Doesn't mean it's better, it means it's my preference.
You will have a hard time finding an example of either one that is worn out or broken.
They will both last a lifetime, and I don't know where anyone gets factual information that says one outlasts the other.

RobNDenver
September 23, 2008, 07:59 PM
Well this is like Peanut Butter . . you like crunchy or creamy. The only advantage I give to the Mossberg is the safety. I just think it is so much more intuitive and I have carried both on duty.

RP88
September 23, 2008, 09:09 PM
the ergos on my Moss500 are kind of stretched out, but the recoil feels smoother to me. It is also a lighter gun, so maybe that helps. The safety and release are perfect for me because I'm left-handed.

trkyshootr
September 23, 2008, 11:26 PM
My 500 was a rattletrap, and not nearly as easy to disassemble for cleaning. My 870s, whether Wingmaster or Express, were vastly preferred, in all respects.

Zach S
September 24, 2008, 10:33 AM
I'm sure this topic has been done before
Beat to death actually...

Anyway, I prefer the Mossberg. Since I'm wrong handed with longarms the controls are laid out a little better for me. I had an 870 for a while, but tried a 500 a few years ago and found that I prefer the cheaper shotgun. I've since traded the 500 and replaced it with a 590.

MCgunner
September 24, 2008, 10:36 AM
Well, one day, if I stay with pumps (sorta prefer autos), I'll have a BPS. :D

Dr. Brevic
July 15, 2010, 03:54 AM
I think you should go with the mossberg if you want functionality, the remington for quality. I know the remington has a better feel to it which makes it a very appealing firearm. But as far as user operation is concerned the mossberg is far superior. The safety position is more thoughtful, the slide release isn't a hassle, and most importantly the elevator doesn't get annoying as it rests in a more efficient position. I've had both and they will both serve you well the mossberg is just more pleasurable to use.

mnrivrat
July 15, 2010, 04:19 AM
Seems to me for $350 you can buy them both and have a life time of shooting the crap out of them - come back in 40 years or so, and let us know what you think !

After my 40 years with them, I could easily live with either - but I still have both.

:neener:

DMS
July 15, 2010, 10:34 AM
Like many here I also have both in a few different configurations. I would have to agree that it all comes down to personal peference. I don't do much high volume shooting just hunting and a few hand tossed clays so I don't think I'll ever get a chance to say that I'd worn out either one of them.

saturno_v
July 15, 2010, 12:46 PM
If we are talking about the Wingmaster (especially the old ones) they had a better finish than a Mossberg....but from the pure strength of the design and construction...not so sure...

The newer Remington budget line are as cheaply finished as a 500.

I own a 500 with a C-Lect choke (probably is from the 70's) which I love to death...I would never part from it...picked up at a gun shop for $90 or so.

It is nearly impossible to shoot a Mossberg 500 to death...it will outlast you...

One thing nobody mentioned in this thread is that the 500 can fire 3" shells while the basic 870 (as far as I know) can't.....

Dr. Brevic
July 15, 2010, 02:29 PM
I own both and I think its more than just preference. The remington is better quality for sure but the mossberg is far superior in user convenience. Ex: the safety and slide release positions and the fact that the elevator isn't a hassle when loading/unloading on the mossberg, and the steel receiver and smoother action of course belonging to the 870. One other thing I like about the mossberg is the barrel change, on the 870 the muzzle cap is a separate piece from the barrel while the mossberg has a one piece barrel/muzzle cap setup. If you want a great shotgun to use and depend on get the mossberg, if you want a nice gun with a slightly more pleasing quality (barely) get the remington.

OrangePwrx9
July 15, 2010, 04:07 PM
Ash said: "Considering the bolt locks into the barrel on the 500, the receiver undergoes far less stress than an 870 receiver. That makes it more apples and oranges as far as receivers go. The 870 MUST be steel with the current design, the Mossberg can be just about any material."

WHAAT? The bolts on my 870s all lock into a barrel extension. The receivers merely transfer the force of recoil from the locked bolt/barrel assy. to the stock and thence to the shoulder. I don't see where the Remington receivers need endure any greater stress than the Mossbergs'.
Bob

LeLynn
July 15, 2010, 09:10 PM
I have a 590A1 and my best friend has an 870 express. My gun has run 100% reliably and aside from my buddy having rounds get stuck in the chamber of the 870 in the beginning, his has also run very well. The stick shell problem was an easy fix. We took an old 12ga brass brush, rapped it in 000 steel wook and chucked it in a drill. After that, we have probably put around 4000 rounds each through our guns shooting clays and neither gun ever fails to operate well. I personally prefer the controls on my Mossberg, he prefers the controls on his 870, so to each his own. I can't say that the mossberg is a better build gun or vice versa, I believe that they are both great guns that will serve there owners well into retirement. Good luck with which ever you decide. I don't think you can make the "wrong" choice.

Sheepdog1968
July 15, 2010, 11:01 PM
This is really a Ford vs. Chevy question. There is no right or wrong answer. Both are great.

Al LaVodka
July 15, 2010, 11:19 PM
No they're not, they ONCE both were. Mossberg, hands down.
Al

jmr40
July 16, 2010, 07:53 AM
The question was asked 2 years ago. I hope he has made his mind up by now.

45bthompson
July 16, 2010, 08:00 AM
870

I've seen too many purple 500's

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