Another "gunstore geniuses" thread.....


September 21, 2008, 11:09 AM
So I'm hunting a good scope for a CZ 452 that Budsgunshop still hasn't mailed after almost a week ( but not here to talk about those geniuses), when I call our biggest local gunstore, one that I'd once swore I'd never donate another dollar to ( another story). I call on the phone and tell them that my brother got recently got a great deal from them on a Weaver V-series scope that he bought for me, that I love it and am interested in another Weaver in the V-series.
Guy on the phone says he's got a "classic 4-16 power with 42mm. objective for $199, it's a great scope.." . I tell him that may be more scope than I want on a .22, but ask if he knows where that "classic" fits in the Weaver hierarchy and what it's suggested retail price is. He doesn't know anything. So I look it up on-line, and the "classic" IS actually a V-series, the classic V16, and sells for $289 at SWFA,so I call back the next day asking about the scope, and no one knows anything about any 16 power Weavers. :banghead: I wait and call again the NEXT day hoping for someone else ( they have several employees). This guy also says there are no 16 power Weavers, but tries to sell me a 10 power V10 for the same price. I ask if it's parallax adjustable, and he says no, but it has "range estimation" ( I'm thinking mil-dots? ). Then, on a hunch,I ask if the "big end of the scope, the objective lens area" is able to be rotated and has numbers all over it. He says "Yeah ", so I tell him politely that that's an adjustable objective for correcting parallax. "Uh, OK ".
SO, I'm thinking he's looking at the V16 scope the first guy pitched me,and it's now in a V10 box, but the first guys' $199 price went with an accurate description of the scope, so I have no ethical dilema going in a buying the V16 in the V10 box for $199.
When I get there I see the V16 that all but the first guy said wasn't there,sitting under the counter, :banghead:and the V10 that was just described to me, doesn't exist, while I stand there like an idiot expalining the scopes and prices I've been quoted.
Live and learn ( again ). Guess I'll just call SWFA in the morning.

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Eric F
September 21, 2008, 11:28 AM
Well what did you really expect, Its kinda like going to a car lot talking to a salesman and expecting him to know everything about everything on the lot.

I have a policey to never try to educate the guy behind the counter chances are unless he is the owner its just a job for the guy he probably doesnt even care what you buy.

Its up to you to do your own reasearch on what to buy or what an item is. Other wise your just taking chances with your money.

September 21, 2008, 11:45 AM
Yeah, no kidding. But these guys couldn't seem to decide if an item was even sitting in a glass display case or not.:scrutiny:

September 21, 2008, 12:09 PM
Should have take them some Darwin Awards

Poor East Texan
September 21, 2008, 03:56 PM
I'm not a gun store employ nor do I play one on TV.

That said if I wasn't swamped with live customers I would certainly try to help someone on the phone. It sure SEEMS like looking in the glass case and telling what's there would be helpful....

There are some real IDIOTS I have to deal with fairly often and I KNOW I could do a better job knowing NOTHING about their job!

Jim K
September 21, 2008, 09:19 PM
Most salesmen are salesmen, not experts in what they sell. I think folks would get along much better if they remember that simple fact.

I have an acquaintance who loves to read and learn everything possible about some planned purchase (say a refrigerator), then go to a store and try to trip up the salesman, usually not a hard job.

"Does this refrigerator have a reverse electrical relay discharger kugelfester", the guy will ask. Since even the design engineer probably couldn't answer without checking the books, the salesman just looks dumb. And my acquaintance (note I didn't say friend) gets his laughs and tells the story for weeks. Pathetic.


September 21, 2008, 10:07 PM
We used to call that "stumping the stars."

September 22, 2008, 10:03 AM
Having owned several stores, I hired sales people for their ability to sale and I expected them to know the products they were responsible to sell, having said that their are to many products for them to be experts on all of them, but they should know what is in stock.
I gave all sales people the authorization to reduce the price on any item in the store 10% (except for firearms) if it would close a sale. I also had a policy of not quoting prices on the phone, I didn't have time to spend on price checkers who seldom actually buy anything, I would say if I had it in stock and tell them to come look at the item, if they spent the time to come in they usually would buy. Also if you want a good deal be young female and have a nice body, I noticed that my sales people always gave them the 10% off right away.

September 22, 2008, 10:21 AM

Apparently you are not fully prepared to do business with those who are Rocket Surgeons.

If you would get out your tool manual, you will clearly see that prices and specifications can all be adjusted with a Rocket Surgeons wrench, and that all wounds can be treated with a Band-Aid and a big kiss.

[Don't let them hug you though!]:what::what::what::what:


September 22, 2008, 02:40 PM
Why did you keep checking on a scope that you said had more power than what you wanted?

September 22, 2008, 02:56 PM
I went to a gunshow Saturday, and was helping my dad to look for a 642. I was trying to find one of the new ones without a lock, and got into a discussion with the owner of a local dealership and mentioned that there were lots of stories about lock failures. He replied "There have only been TWO documented cases." I wanted to point him to this thread on the S&W forum:

...but of course I didn't have the internet handy. I did protest a little, but he was insistent, and I let it go. One of his workers there took umbrage I guess and proceeded to tell me how great this guy was, and how he worked with the Sherriff's department and had to know this stuff for liability reasons, and that the guy was so knowledgable that he could tell you everything about the Gunfight at the OK Corral, like who was there, who shot who, and the order of the shots...

I was thinking to myself... "OK, I've got no idea what that has to do with anything... but this guy is obviously really full of himself so I'm not going to say anything more."

What I should have said when he told me there were only two documented cases of lock failure, was "That's two too many."

Poor East Texan
September 22, 2008, 10:03 PM
I still desire a 617 and something that takes .357 and .38

Lock? We don't need no stinkin' lock!

If only Darwin wasn't so darn choosey......

Kind of Blued
September 22, 2008, 10:49 PM
I once had a guy at a big box store call me a liar because he couldn't find the handgun that hs co-worker put on hold for me the day prior... Cute.

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