black powder and SAA loads, etc


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Bezoar
September 22, 2008, 11:07 AM
Just a few simple questions here that im curious on.

44-40, originally loaded to 1100fps in the 1800s, yet smokeless loads dare to push it to 900fps in load manuals?
-is it possible to get hollow points or JSP/JHP bullets?

the ruger loads for 45 colt +p has a nice 300gr JSP moving along at around 1122-1264 fps. Is there a safe way to download that bullet to pressures safe for a regular clone? maybe say 7-800 fps?

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bobotech
September 22, 2008, 11:39 AM
The only way to safely down-load the 45 colt Ruger only loads for Colt clones is to NOT use Ruger Only loads and ONLY use safe cowboy 45colt loads and nothing more.

For Colt clones, I wouldn't even load up the 45colt to the high end of cowboy loads, I would keep the loads at the midrange.

There is a reason why Rugers have their own special section in the books and that they specfically state that they are to use used in Rugers only.

If you are a recoil junkie, just get a cheap Ruger of some sort and leave your Colts for cowboy play.

rcmodel
September 22, 2008, 01:32 PM
You can load 44-40 jacketed Hornady XTP 180 grain bullets up to 1250 FPS. 200's can reach 1150 FPS.

Other bullets designed for the .44 Spl..44 Mag are also the correct size, but may be too long to work in some guns.

Hornady lists .45 Colt standard pressure loads giving up to 1050 FPS with 230 grain, and 950 with 250 grain jacketed XTP bullets.

Trying to load 300 grain jacketed bullets to 700 FPS is almost certainly going to result in a bullet stuck in the barrel sooner or later.
That is why the Ruger loads don't go below 1,000 FPS with that jacketed bullet weight.

And JHP bullets will not expand at that low a velocity anyway.

If you want to shoot a SAA Colt or clone, you can do it with cast lead 255's or 260's from 550 FPS, up to about 1,000 FPS, but not with very heavy jacketed bullets.

Heres more:
http://www.sixguns.com/tests/tt45lc.htm

rcmodel

MMCSRET
September 22, 2008, 02:09 PM
Remington produces and sells a beautiful 200 gr. jsp bullet for the 44-40. It is the same one they load in their factory ammo. Check your online sources.

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