Durability of Philippine-made 1911's


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Slater
September 22, 2008, 01:48 PM
I've examined some of the Rock Island Arsenal and High Standard 1911's and they seem to be well made and fitted. On the other hand some have maintained that the metallurgy is not the best and they lack the durability to withstand long-term heavy use. Accurate or just Internet scuttlebutt?

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CountGlockula
September 22, 2008, 01:59 PM
Rock Island is made in the Philippines? I need to get one to support my second country!

gwnorth
September 22, 2008, 02:05 PM
Accurate or just Internet scuttlebutt?

So you go seeking the answer to that question on ... the internet?

Just find that curious :)

Quoheleth
September 22, 2008, 02:08 PM
Well, STI thinks enough of them to use their frames as the base for their guns.

Q

Slater
September 22, 2008, 02:09 PM
Figured that some of you honorable High Road folks might have some extensive experience with this brand :D

crankshop1000
September 22, 2008, 02:09 PM
Check out the 1911.org site. They have a RIA representitive on the forum and get rave reviews. I like mine.The big plus for the RIA is that they are built using modern CNC machines.Makes for a great buy.I think the "some" that maintain the metallurgy is sub par are not qualified to make that determination.

nalioth
September 22, 2008, 02:21 PM
Some folks just cannot countenance a ~$350 pistol that outdoes their ~$1500 'name brand 1911" out of the box.


... and then there's the "if it's that cheap, it must be pure crap" camp.

They are an overlooked bargain.

wditto
September 22, 2008, 02:26 PM
they are a bargain, they are great performers, and unless you are 21 years old and will shoot daily until you are my age, 93, you won't wear it out - if you do, they are covered 100% by a fantastic service department - and after all, they are very inexpensive

strat81
September 22, 2008, 02:41 PM
Well, STI thinks enough of them to use their frames as the base for their guns.
STI uses Amrscor (Rock Island) frames for the Spartan only.

I have a Spartan, it's a fantastic gun, probably the most accurate one I own.

Check forum.m1911.org for more info.

BlindJustice
September 22, 2008, 04:42 PM
STI Spartan uses the Rock Island Armory Frame & Slide ONLY,

The equivalent RIA model to the Spartan is the RIA 1911 Match.
it has an adj. rear sight and is hand fitted in the P.I.

I'm waiting for the hard copy catalogue from the customer service
outfit - Advanced Tactical in Nevada.

Randall

chupacabrah
September 22, 2008, 05:50 PM
http://forum.m1911.org/forumdisplay.php?f=17
link to another forum, lots of people there love the RIA's

BlindJustice
September 22, 2008, 06:50 PM
FYI - The Charles Daly 1911 was also made by RIA in the P.I.

Randall

wditto
September 22, 2008, 06:55 PM
so is the High Standard

Cougfan2
September 22, 2008, 07:11 PM
Keaner, another High Roader had an rather dangerous AD with an RIA 1911 although you might also call it an ND. He had a couple of malfunctions where the slide would close into battery when inserting a magazine. His mistake was that he didn't immediately stop using the weapon. When he had been in a local gun store having some one look at the weapon he unloaded it. When he got back in his car he pointed the barrel at the console and inserted a magazine. This time not only did the slide go into battery, the hammer fell and the pistol fired a round. :what: Only through luck did he avoid some very costly repairs to his vehicle.

It appears that a part of the slide release lever had broken off. I think the frames and slides are OK, but some of the MIM parts are lacking in quality.

wditto
September 22, 2008, 07:56 PM
stories like this are terrible to hear, and certainly very important , but , every manufacturer in the world, the whole earth, has had parts fail, more than once, and it is not rare among the MIM nor forged nor machined parts - 'tis just part of life with anything having moving parts. If we all had Bill gates income, we "might" could afford flawless perfect pistols, but maybe not, because that one might have a hiccup one day as well.......I am very glad the fellow wasn't injured; it could happen to anyone with any brand handgun.....

WoofersInc
September 22, 2008, 09:17 PM
I have a Charles Daly 1911 that is over 10 years old and has close to 10,000 rounds through it. Still looks and runs great. Had to change out recoil springs a few times but that will happen on any gun.

45auto
September 23, 2008, 07:19 AM
You would have to "define" long term heavy use.

For many people, a "lifetime" is 2,000, 5,000, or 10,000 rounds. Others, it's 20,000 rounds a year for "so" many years... until you have to replace most of the parts, multiple times.

So, it's a good question because I haven't "read" about any high-mileage RIA's and how they hold up. Time will tell.

I have "read" that "quality" 1911s that should go between 100,000-200,000 rounds with the major parts "intact"...slide/frame/barrel. Of course, what loads you shoot and how you take care of it will alter your "mileage". Barrels in particular.

chbrow10
September 23, 2008, 09:49 AM
I bought a RIA tactical in March and have shoot roughly 2400 rounds through it. From a durability standpoint, I have no complaints. Last Sunday, at my local USPSA match, I placed third in a field of 10 single stack competitors shooting Kimbers, Wilson Combat modified Colts, and all the other high price point brands.

ZeSpectre
September 23, 2008, 09:54 AM
I'm now at 300 rounds in the Charles Daly 1911 I bought about a week ago. Detail stripped it and gave it a VERY close examination last night. It's showing far less "break in" wear than my previous Taurus PT-1911 did for the same number of rounds. Assuming that no parts break from flaws in the metal itself I suspect this pistol will last for a very long time.

MAKster
September 23, 2008, 10:39 AM
How does the fit and finish of the Charles Daly EFS compare to the RIA Tactical. Is it worth the extra money since the major parts are all the same?

MICHAEL T
September 23, 2008, 01:42 PM
Charles Daily is no longer useing Armscore . Their going else where. Tired of compeating against other companys Armscors.
Their still some out their and their good pistols

chbrow10
September 23, 2008, 02:07 PM
MAKster,

Go to the m1911.org Ezine. They have reviewed both the Tactical and the EFS, and it may have even been the same reviewer. You can also PM the reviewer(s) for additional questions.

A great site for 1911 fans.

ZeSpectre
September 23, 2008, 02:21 PM
Charles Daily is no longer using Armscor
Yes, just heard about that. But there are still a lot of Armscor based Charles Daly guns floating around so it's probably still a valid comparison.

dogmush
September 23, 2008, 04:25 PM
I have one Rock with over 10,000 rds, and one hovering around 5500. Only spring changes in both. The seem to be wearing just fine.

putteral
September 23, 2008, 04:33 PM
I have a Charles Daly EFS and the main reason I chose it over the Rock Tactical was the finish. Shiny Blue as compared to parkerized. I get many compliments at the range on the finish. Shoots like a dream. Have about 2k rounds through it and no complaints.

rondog
September 23, 2008, 04:48 PM
I have three RIA's and love 'em all! I really think they could double or triple their production and product line, and sell every one of them. Offer blued finishes, stainless, hard chromed, and nickel. Offer 9mm's, .40's, more .38 Supers. Offer more variations of the Tactical model, in different sizes, calibers and finishes. They'd sell like hotcakes!

I seriously doubt anybody's ever going to "wear one out". 99.9% of their detractors are just "expensive gun snobs" who can't stand the thought of affordable 1911's that shoot as good as the ones they've paid four figures for. The differences are there, but they're minor.

helz_mcfugly
September 24, 2008, 02:22 PM
I just picked up a nickel plated full length 1911 RIA for less then half of what a Kimber or Colt would run. Im going this weekend to put a couple hundred rounds through it.

45auto
September 24, 2008, 02:28 PM
I seriously doubt anybody's ever going to "wear one out". 99.9% of their detractors are just "expensive gun snobs" who can't stand the thought of affordable 1911's that shoot as good as the ones they've paid four figures for. The differences are there, but they're minor.



Wow, that's good to know.

Maybe RIA should raise their price up to Colt, Kimber and Springfield...and see how many they sell then!

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