Door buster on muzzle question

[ar10]

I watched a guy shooting a new Mossy 500 the other day. He had a new barrel with a door breaker, only way I can describe it), and was wondering about the usage and operator safety.

I seems to me that unless you have kevlar vest and some type of full face shield it wouldn't be much benefit as HD gun.

[DMR]

They are of real value only for agencies that do ballistic breaching. Other then that.......

[takhtakaal]

Other than that, they stick into people about as well as they stick into door wood.

If you have to have a "persuader," it's about a close no. 2 to an Ontario M10 on the end of a Mossberg 590A1. Just better hope that things are never that bad.

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[Sir Aardvark]

They look cool, and kinda double as a muzzle-break / flash hider, but unless you're blasting open doors they offer little else in utility.

My fear in using one for home defense would be that since the sound is now directed to the side instead of out the front of the barrel, you are going to make a loud, ear-damaging situation even LOUDER!

I don't know if you've ever heard a ported long-gun go off before, but if you are not wearing hearing protection, you can permanently damage your hearing.

The muzzle flash is reported to be reduced by more than half in using one of these, so there would be some benefit in using one at nighttime, but only if you had adequate hearing protection.

One of the guys who posts here on THR makes some of the best Breaching Standoffs I have seen - he even makes one with little "teeth" that looks wicked; maybe someone will post his link, because I can't seem to find it...

[kcshooter]

Definitely a vital piece of equipment for Elite Team Fighters.


I don't see how any self-respecting mall ninja can live without one.

[nalioth]

My fear in using one for home defense would be that since the sound is now directed to the side instead of out the front of the barrel, you are going to make a loud, ear-damaging situation even LOUDER! I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I've never seen a "muzzle brake / door breacher". Most of what I've seen out there is just a sharp muzzle extension for standing the muzzle off the door.

Do you have pix of what you're talking about?

[Sir Aardvark]

Here we go, I found the link...

It is King's Armory, and the model is the KA-1212BR

http://www.kingarmory.com/

This is what I was describing in my post - sorry for the confusion.
This is about the neatest breacher that I have seen - so when the original post came up, this is what I was thinking of when I replied.

[ar10]

My conclusion would be they are appropriate for police agencies, but definitely not in the hands of civilian for a home defense weapon. It's more of a "Gee look at my cool shotgun". i also think an untrained individual thinking of trying it out on a piece of plywood or something else could get hurt pretty badly.

I don't know if you've ever heard a ported long-gun go off before, but if you are not wearing hearing protection, you can permanently damage your hearing.

Yes, I have and I am deaf in my left ear. A recipient of a friendly fire incident from an ONTOS recoiless 105 in gun in 1970.

[Jack2427]

A "breacher" should be a piece of equipment that should be restricted to military/LE that have been specially trained in its use. I am not one for more regulations, but this item is for specialty use only and when misused can be deadly. In the CONUS most agencies still use the good old breaching ram swung by a couple of big guys, because of the danger of the breaching rounds. Even using shaped charges is safer as they are predictable. The one thing the breaching round has going for it is that it is very portable and can be brought into use like now. This makes it a very desireable tool for military units that never know when they might need one(or 4 or 5).
Most SWAT outfits know what they are going to do before even setting out for the scene of the entry, soliders do not have that luxury, and in addition operate in very fluid situations. In addition soliders have with them all of the protective armor, including face head and neck that are necessary for breaching round use. I fear it will not be long before we have a case(if we haven't already) of some guy trying out his breaching gun, with disasterous results.

[ar10]

I would agree they are dangerous. What bothers me most is I've seen some on gun store racks for sale at 399.00 for anyone who wants to buy them. The main interest is selling them w/o any warning or caution by the sales staff to the customer about the danger they buyer could be in if they try out the breaching for practice.
It bothers me because I've seen two people at the range asking me if they could try out the gun on some plywood backers we use.