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natedog
September 10, 2003, 01:36 AM
With the current price of surplus weapons, do you think it would be a good idea to possibly hide away several in remote locations, with a couple hundred rounds of ammo "for a rainy day"? I mean, SKS's are $100 (if you look) and M44's are only $50. That kind of investment now could help a lot in the future...

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Dave Markowitz
September 10, 2003, 09:02 AM
Not a bad idea, IMO. But only if you do it correctly. There have been a few threads here recently regarding caching stuff and what you need to take into consideration when doing so. E.g., don't do it on land that is going to be turned into a housing development within a few years.

J Miller
September 10, 2003, 11:52 AM
And while discussing the idea of stashing a gun somewhere, don't go into any specifics. It's not that hard to find out where you are, where you like to go, ect.

You need to avoid areas that have intrerest to explorers too. Places such as old mines, or cabins, or ghost towns are an attraction to people with metal detectors and shuvels.

And one more thing. You need to have it in such a place that you can get to it to refresh the ammo and maintain the gun. Such a place that your going into will not attract attention.

Lots to consider when thinking along these lines.

Mikul
September 10, 2003, 12:17 PM
You should cache all of your guns at my house, but I'm picky. :D

outfieldjack
September 10, 2003, 12:37 PM
I would not cache the weapon and ammo together..... maybe close, but not together.... I imagine there would be liability if they were found and used in a crime or if some "uneducated" kids found them.....

Henry Bowman
September 10, 2003, 01:02 PM
All good points. Anybody have a checklist of other tips, not of what to stash, but how/where to do it right? Any doomsday survivalists among us? I'm not there yet, but I'm cultivating my paranoia daily.

4v50 Gary
September 10, 2003, 04:24 PM
Inexpensive firearms that are reliable are the way to go for home or self defense. Why? If you use your gun, it gets confiscated as evidence. Better a Moisin Nagant that you picked up for $50 than a $700 Remington. Better a Markarov or CZ-52 than a $1,000 plus Kimber.

Even if it's a haz-mat situation, can the gun really be decontaminated? Think about it guys & gals. Carry the cheapest that works well and if you lose it, it's not the crown jewels of your collection.

Call me cheap, but I'm pragmatic.

Carlos Cabeza
September 10, 2003, 04:39 PM
Lots of good info on long term storage here and on the old firing line website. Use the search function and type the key words you wish to research. I have been toying with the idea for a few months and I think the most dificult aspect is accessibility, concealment and location. The rest is a piece of cake.

www.thefiringline.com is the url

Moparmike
September 10, 2003, 08:20 PM
I read somewhere that storing it in a hole supported with pressure-treated lumber in a plastic barrel is a very good idea. Dont take my summarization from off the top of my head for gospel, find it for yourself and use it to its fullest.

Coat guns in generous amounts of cosmo. wrap in plastic bag of high mil, and set aside for the moment. Get selected ammo (newer would be better, as it will last for at least 50 years done correctly) and store in airtight container with some sort of dessicant. Wrap container in plastic for some sort of seal. Place in bottom of barrel. Make sure that with the ammo in the bottom and the rifle(s) in the barrel that it will seal before you dig the hole. Place guns on top of bullets. Place sufficent quantity of dessicant in the barrel. Seal and bury barrel.

One guy did a similar procedure (where I found the info) and came back six months later, and the barrel made the "whoosh" sound like a jar of pickles being opened. The dessicant had removed all the air/oxygen from the barrel and created a low-level vaccum.

Wanderer
September 10, 2003, 08:25 PM
I was thinking about this one day. The thing that came to mind was a 5.45mm SAR-2 AK clone. It would be easy to learn and shoot, as well as reliable and accurate, plus battle worthy. For a handgun, a Mak or CZ-52 would be a good idea. You can get a SAR-2, Mak clone, mags and ammo for under $600 if you look hard.

hksw
September 10, 2003, 08:30 PM
...with a couple hundred rounds of ammo "for a rainy day"?

At least 1000 rounds if you are going to do it, IMO.

Solinvictus70
September 10, 2003, 11:26 PM
The exercise of creating a reliable cache would be the same as a reliable dead drop spot: plant it in the area, wait for a few months, then go back to retrieve said cache container.

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