ObomaNation Effect?


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Flame Red
September 23, 2008, 02:03 PM
I have been noticing on this and other forums that the consensus is that prices of Guns and Ammo continue to rise even though our economy clearly has tanked and the prices of many commodities have come down.

I am assuming that this is in anticipation of the election of his Majesty, Our Savior and future King, his Highness Obomination and the yet to be enumerated measures he and is court of Jesters in Congress will enact to erode or more likely, eliminate, our 2A rights (let alone the rest of the Constitution).

I see very few saying that that they are selling all their holdings and are assuming they will be Grand Fathered in any restrictions.

So demand just continues to outstrip supply? Or are we just being gouged? What say you, the THR community?

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taliv
September 23, 2008, 02:10 PM
"come down" == slight dip from record highs which are still more than double what they were a couple years ago.

camslam
September 23, 2008, 02:10 PM
Obviously supply and demand are king, but I'll admit, the reason I pulled the trigger on a purchase of an AK is because of what will most likely happen in November.

Why wait and take the chance. Gun sellers know there is tension in the air and being able to raise prices 10 to 25% is something they aren't going to complain about.

halfbreed808
September 23, 2008, 02:10 PM
Totally agree. The price hikes are caused by the fear that BO will get elected. :cuss::banghead::fire:
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Dgreno
September 23, 2008, 02:14 PM
I think the price hikes are in direct relation to gas. Suppliers have realized that they can charge a premium and consumers are still willing to pay it. Therefore, the price will continue to rise until we, as a people, say enough is enough and boycott certain things such as ammo, milk, gas, etc. I don't ever see this happening because people as a whole are too lazy to orchestrate such a thing and stick to it. I do think that much of the price highs are not a thing but price gouging.

RP88
September 23, 2008, 02:15 PM
both. We are straining supply, so they notice that and say that everything is getting bought up because of panic, and use it as an excuse to gouge us.

ctdonath
September 23, 2008, 02:22 PM
While demand has increased relative to supply and thus pushed up prices (there IS a war on consuming the stuff, and basic materials are increasingly popular), don't forget that the value of a dollar is falling fast.

Old Grump
September 23, 2008, 02:30 PM
All of the above and demand for lead and brass by military

kingpin008
September 23, 2008, 02:31 PM
How about we keep the politics off of THR, per the forum rules?:rolleyes:

IBTL.

Oh, and his name is spelled "Obama - not "Oboma". Just wanted to let ya know.

buzz_knox
September 23, 2008, 02:32 PM
Commodity prices were skyrocketing before the current crisis due to the globalization of demand. India and China are buying everything they can at any price, in order to meet their double digit growth rates.

The current financial crisis only aggravated the matter.

Owen
September 23, 2008, 02:34 PM
besides oil, what commodities are coming down?

Dgreno
September 23, 2008, 02:34 PM
This does have a small amount of politics in it, however the thread was intended to be about ammo and firearm prices going through the roof. If we keep it on the OP's topic, the "IBTL" should be unnecessary.

Creature
September 23, 2008, 02:35 PM
Remember the jump in prices for guns & ammo when Y2K loomed?

Omaha-BeenGlockin
September 23, 2008, 02:45 PM
Demand and the value of the dollar.

Poper
September 23, 2008, 02:51 PM
We are straining supply, so they notice that and say that everything is getting bought up because of panic, and use it as an excuse to gouge us.Your statement is actually direct quote of true market forces at work.
When supply is strained by demand, prices always rise. It is not gouging, it is the market at work which is placing a higher value on particular product(s). Why would I sell you my product if Harry over yonder will pay me more?
If prices rise too high, demand will fall off because the perceived value is not there. If demand then slacks off, prices will moderate.

IMHO, it is purely market forces at work. Can an outside force such as the anticipated results of an election add fuel to market perceptions? Of course. Do sellers "gouge"? Only if you let them because you do not know its true value. If the market says the price is 'x' and you are not willing to pay that price, then you can search for a seller that will or go without until the price, or your income, changes your perception of the article's value.

Any article is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it at a given time.

Nobody is forcing us to buy their product.

Except Government, that is. :cuss: :fire:

JMTC

Poper

MyRoad
September 23, 2008, 03:42 PM
Hmmm... I'm not hearing demand is so high.

I was talking with a friend yesterday who makes his living selling at gun shows and he says that the last three shows have been terrible. Good turn-out, but far fewer people are buying -- and from talking with the other vendors, this seems to be the consensus.

For my friend, sales are down by 50% from this time last year. Maybe that's just in my state, or maybe people are buying more from venues other than gun shows, but if their buying patterns have changed and not their purchasing volume, then its still a strong trend change over 12 months.

Tacbandit
September 23, 2008, 03:49 PM
:eek:Quote:
"Obviously supply and demand are king, but I'll admit, the reason I pulled the trigger on a purchase of an AK is because of what will most likely happen in November.

Why wait and take the chance. Gun sellers know there is tension in the air and being able to raise prices 10 to 25% is something they aren't going to complain about."



Camslam, you hit it right on the head....They're gonna go up, and depending on the election, they may stay up...

RobNDenver
September 23, 2008, 04:17 PM
There may be some price increases particularly for ammunition in demand by the military, but my experience has been that prices for both ammo and guns are remaining pretty flat. I just bought a Remington 597 TVP and my gun guy gave it to me at $100 under list, and gave me a very good deal on a scope to go with it. A couple of weeks ago, I bought 500 rounds of .223 for $180

What does this have to do with the Presidential candidates? I thought we had an embargo on political threads. . .

Smithiac
September 23, 2008, 04:27 PM
Someone said the value of the dollar is going down.

I agree with this completely. I don't think its gouging especially with ammo and guns. (with gas yes its gouging, and I will consider it gouging until I run accross a gas station that has ran out of gas)

I think with guns and ammo it has alot to do with regulations being placed on the manufacturer and that raises the price the dealer has to pay for it. Therefore the price is raised that the consumer has to pay for it.

And there probably has alittle to do with raised demand. That will also raise the price. Less supply is not the only reason prices get raised ( the gas companies have proved this point)

Thanks for reading my rant.

Smithiac

Smithiac
September 23, 2008, 04:33 PM
Owen,

Oil effects every commodity there is. Until we stand up against it there will be no relief. I blame the rise of price in other commodities on oil. What I have personally done is that if gas raises over $4.00 per Gal. I will not be buying it.

Yes, I will not go to work and get a paycheck but giving my paycheck to the gas pump isn't worth going to work.

Smithiac

Rugerlvr
September 23, 2008, 05:01 PM
Yeah, let's talk guns, not economics.

jayofthejungle1985
September 23, 2008, 06:42 PM
i hate when you guys talk politics and economics and get me paranoid and buying more evil stuff.

Jorg Nysgerrig
September 23, 2008, 06:49 PM
Yes, I will not go to work and get a paycheck but giving my paycheck to the gas pump isn't worth going to work.

This is the best advice I've ever read on this forum, regarding guns or not. Stick it to the man, brother!

elrod
September 23, 2008, 06:55 PM
If you could get a significant number of consumers to not purchase a particular product for a month, you could understand supply and demand. Your vote is your dollar. Gas too high? Stay out of your car for anything but required driving. Bullets too high? Get an airsoft. Not difficult to understand.;)

wideym
September 23, 2008, 06:57 PM
Actually I've noticed more and more people selling than buying. It also looks like many of the Y2K hoarders are starting to sell off their AKs, SKSs, ARs, and ammo, making a profit even if they sell below current market value. (Compared with what they paid for it in 1999) Although some still think in terms of "AWB" and "high capacity mags" and try to charge waaay above current market value.

KBintheSLC
September 23, 2008, 07:00 PM
Raw materials and energy markets got destroyed this summer by speculation. The looming fear of Obama/Biden certainly causes buying sprees from paranoid gunnies. The closure of a massive AK plant in Romania said bye-bye to the cheap AK's of the past. The dollar fell through the Earth's mantle. The government has printed enough new money to fly us all to the moon. And to top it all off, we likely have to borrow most of this $700 billion bailout from the Chinese.

So, to address your concerns... every piece of S has HTF that possibly can in a very short period of time. Thats why we are all stuck shooting our .22's.

Maybe the liberals have won by default.

Hoppy590
September 23, 2008, 07:02 PM
some things are actually low on supply. Saiga 12's for example.
somethings are just gouging.

Zundfolge
September 23, 2008, 07:18 PM
Ugh.

There is NO SUCH THING as "price gouging". Period.


In a free market, there are many forces that pressure prices both up and down. ALL commodities will increase in price if there are buyers there with cash buying. That's how it works.

Strains on or interruptions of the supply chain always cause prices to go up.

Guns, gas, pizza, hookers ... doesn't matter WHAT it is, if the supply is threatened then the prices will go up. The alternative is that we force businesses to go out of business whenever there are problems with the supply chain.

FMJMIKE
September 23, 2008, 07:59 PM
I have been noticing on this and other forums that the consensus is that prices of Guns and Ammo continue to rise even though our economy clearly has tanked and the prices of many commodities have come down.

I am assuming that this is in anticipation of the election of his Majesty, Our Savior and future King, his Highness Obomination and the yet to be enumerated measures he and is court of Jesters in Congress will enact to erode or more likely, eliminate, our 2A rights (let alone the rest of the Constitution).

I see very few saying that that they are selling all their holdings and are assuming they will be Grand Fathered in any restrictions.

So demand just continues to outstrip supply? Or are we just being gouged? What say you, the THR community?
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Flame Red..........I will be polite. Your description of Senator Obama is inflamatory and not IMHO appropriate on this Forum. I could just as easily make disparaging comments about senile John Mccain but will refrain from doing so. I hope this topic is closed NOW!!!
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Thread reported to mods

jakemccoy
September 23, 2008, 08:36 PM
LOL...the link between current ammo prices and Obama is tenuous at best.

Walkalong
September 23, 2008, 09:26 PM
Some of both.

I keep telling folks who scream about big oil that we are doing it to ourselves. We won't quit riding. If we want the gas to go down, all we have to do is cut out all unnecessary driving and carpool a bit for a month. They would P*** themselves trying to woo us back to the pump, BUT, we won't do it, so guess what, they won't come down. Supply and demand, period. Not to mention we keep buying vehicles that get piss poor mileage.


Thread reported to mods
If we just play nice, there will be no reason to shut it down. Leave out nasty comments about specific politicians. Easy enough.

IBTL

FMJMIKE
September 23, 2008, 09:35 PM
The problem with oil prices is the speculators jumping in and out of the market. There is no other explanation for a $25 jump in the price of a barrel of oil in one day. This kind of thing is killing our economy. Of course someone is getting rich.................:fire:

Sistema1927
September 23, 2008, 10:25 PM
I B T L

Dgreno
September 23, 2008, 10:38 PM
ah what the hell... IBTL...

cliffy
September 23, 2008, 11:11 PM
Excessive TAXATION with some sort of representation frightens me. Is Gasoline not yet EXPENSIVE Enough! Obama doesn't apparently think so. $6 a gallon for regular could be the outcome. Sell your SUV if Obama takes power, but you may not get much for it. McCain/Palin doubtfully would do this to us. Then talk about a free society capable of defending ourselves: Mwobama says, "NO!" I'm not a racist, merely a realist. I worked with minority students in efforts to assist them to read to succeed. I love and learn from all races. cliffy, prior of Lake Michigan College, retired.

crzbiker
September 23, 2008, 11:54 PM
I went to a gun show ,here in Tucson ,recently and was told by a dealer how dead it was. After looking at the prices he wanted for milsurp commie ammo I asked him if he thought that his high prices were the reason for slow sales. He got all upset and insulted. Although I was in the market for some 7.62 I wasn't willing to pay his price. Supply exceeded demand as far as I was concerned.

M203Sniper
September 24, 2008, 02:21 AM
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Autolycus
September 24, 2008, 02:29 AM
IBTL.

McCain is much much worse for the country. He has no clue about economics, is a warmonger, and an idiot for all intensive purposes. Obama is not a friend of the 2nd Amendment but he is not a warmonger and no idiot. He is sly like a snake.

Sadly I will vote Nader or Constitution Party as they seem to be the ones discussing the major issues that are facing this country.

flynlr
September 24, 2008, 04:17 AM
this thread needs more popcorn

HK G3
September 24, 2008, 04:29 AM
I went to a gun show ,here in Tucson ,recently and was told by a dealer how dead it was. After looking at the prices he wanted for milsurp commie ammo I asked him if he thought that his high prices were the reason for slow sales. He got all upset and insulted. Although I was in the market for some 7.62 I wasn't willing to pay his price. Supply exceeded demand as far as I was concerned.

I was at that exact same gun show. I was interested in buying some 7.62 NATO/.308, and headed over to that massive "DISCOUNT AMMO" setup in the middle of the show, and saw the prices, and was blown away by how out of control they were. Even the random "handloads" sets were selling at well over $.50 a round. Astonishing really. The few people I saw at the show just sorta looked at the display, and then proceeded to walk right past it.

Methinks the vendors are trying to get away with increasing their prices far too much to peak the interests of potential buyers.

Son of Sam
September 24, 2008, 07:07 AM
Obama sucks, McCain sucks... BOTH want your guns and even Palin isn't the one to sign any bills of she gets to be VP. Wake up.

Price gouging? Only if you let them. If you don't NEED ammo, don't buy any. The prices will come down once the election is over. November 4th 2008 is NOT the end of our 2A rights no matter who gets elected. We just get that much closer to it, that's all.

That's my .02 Amero, anyway...

P.S. Can't we still pencil in Ron Paul? The late Frank Zappa? Jerry Garcia? Hell... the cookie monster? LOL! Any of those would be way better than the A**clowns running from R or D ticket.

subierex
September 24, 2008, 08:27 AM
Ibtl

Flame Red
September 24, 2008, 08:33 AM
Actually I've noticed more and more people selling than buying.

True. That seems to be what his happening around here. Most of the people I know are holding on to items they would normally sell and waiting till after November.

Also, I think that since people are not getting much in the way of 'reasonable' offers, they are not selling either. I can't blame them not wanting to take a beating either.

Buying seems to be reduced greatly - people just don't have the dough.

lanternlad1
September 24, 2008, 11:32 AM
"prices of Guns and Ammo continue to rise even though our economy clearly has tanked"

Thats what happens when economies tank. Look at Argentina. Their economy went belly up and the only things of value were gold and weapons.

MinnMooney
September 24, 2008, 11:46 AM
I think that raised ammo prices are caused by :
1.) China coming into it's own and buying/using mass quantities of metals.
2.) Demand from the Iraq war AND you & I buying hording supplies.
3.) The U.S. dollar is worth less on the world market
4.) Greed - retailers are taking advantage of us. Why else would .22LR ammo be $15-$20 a brick when it was $5-$8 just 2 years ago.

I think that raised firearm prices are caused by :
1.) Fear that Democrates will win in Nov. & ban many weapons.
2.) The U.S. dollar is worth less on the world market.
3.) Greed by the makers of those weapons that are in high demand.

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