911 Tape from home invasion- Texas


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skwab
September 23, 2008, 04:59 PM
http://www.krld.com/911-Tape-Released-in-Tarrant-Home-Invasion/3010012


Another good reason why you can't take your security for granted. This happened over the weekend (I think) in an area outside of Fort Worth. The invasion started out as a robbery - the intruder entered the home with a gun (turned out to be unloaded) and a pipe and when they handed over the cash that they had, the intruder started beating the home owners with the pipe. It's a little long, but the terror in the wife's voice becomes increasingly evident towards the end as it starts to sink in. I can't imagine being in that situation, and if I ever am, I don't want to leave it to chance to protect myself. This is the second home invasion in this general area in the last couple of weeks.

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Dgreno
September 23, 2008, 05:07 PM
She handled that pretty well giving the circumstances. I sure hope what she said on the tape does not condemn her or get her in trouble...
When seconds count...

Rustynuts
September 23, 2008, 06:07 PM
It's Texas, no problem!

I like how long it took to get help there. Seconds indeed!

skwab
September 23, 2008, 08:31 PM
exactly Rusty. In this part of town it's getting more towards the outskirts of the metroplex and the 2-3 LEO's were dispatched immediately and yet it took that long for them to get there. Not that they did anything wrong, it's just a matter of geography. You just can't gamble. This is what the antis fail to understand.

lionken07
September 23, 2008, 09:10 PM
some strong language were used in the tape :p

Looks like she was right next to him thru the whole conversation too? :what:

tigre
September 23, 2008, 09:48 PM
That's about three miles from my high school. Really quiet area, at least it was when I lived there. Right across the street from an elementary school, too. Jeez.

The audio on that link wasn't working right for me, so here's another one in case it was weird for anyone else: http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa080922_wz_intruder.a0634c90.html

xjchief
September 23, 2008, 10:07 PM
Horrible, horrible, horrible. I'm really glad the homeowners came out of this with just injuries and mental trauma. Looks like it could have been the end for them had they not taken action.

jakk280rem
September 24, 2008, 12:10 AM
here is a link to the whole story and the 911 call. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/DN-fwstab_22met.ART.State.Edition2.26af2b2.html

AlaskaErik
September 24, 2008, 03:42 AM
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away....

TexasRifleman
September 24, 2008, 08:45 AM
From the article above:

Sheriff's detectives are investigating his death as they would a death in custody.

This is why you use deadly force, don't try to arrest. You open yourself up to more trouble by worrying about the life of the intruder than not.

Amazing.

skwab
September 24, 2008, 09:14 AM
That article also said that they didn't expect any charges to be levied against the homeowners, which I would seriously hope not. But I agree about detaining the guy - they were both holding the guy down during the bulk of the call. What would have happened when she went to let the LEOs in had the BG gotten the best of mr. huddleston - it's a tough call - you have a guy detained so that he is not an immediate threat, so is finishing him off at that point self-defense, because he could still become a threat? Or is it murder.

Personally I think they did the right thing under the circumstances, because he was alive when the LEOs got there and it sounds like he died under their custody since he struggled with them. Had they used a firearm for self-defense, he likely would have been DOA for the police.

FieroCDSP
September 24, 2008, 09:18 AM
One comment poster on the news link stated the intruder's death was being labled a homicide by the examiner. I wonder if the husband decided to (or was forcedto) finish him off when the wife went out to let the cops in. Maybe they label it such for the investigative purpose when dealing with an "in custody" death.

Not entirely gun related. Maybe this could be moved to Strategy under the premise of layered defence and using anything you got to stop an attack.

TexasRifleman
September 24, 2008, 09:34 AM
One comment poster on the news link stated the intruder's death was being labled a homicide by the examiner.

In Texas (probably most everywhere else too) any time one dies at the hands of another it's a Homicide. Homicide doesn't imply any evil intent, it's just one human killing another.

That's what happened here.

Then there will be a decision of whether it was justifiable homicide or criminal homicide. Here, every case of homicide goes to the Grand Jury, even if no one thinks there was any wrongdoing.

sloo50
September 24, 2008, 09:41 AM
I cannot acces the links here at work.

Cliff notes anyone?

FieroCDSP
September 24, 2008, 10:28 AM
In Texas (probably most everywhere else too) any time one dies at the hands of another it's a Homicide. Homicide doesn't imply any evil intent, it's just one human killing another.

TR, I was thinking it was along those lines.:D

FieroCDSP
September 24, 2008, 10:35 AM
Cliff notes anyone?

Guy enters a (presumably, from code requirement) gated property and enters the couple's home with a gun, demands their money. They offer no resistance, even telling him to take their cars, just get out. He then proceeds to beat them terribly with a pipe he had with him. When he turns to beat the wife, a scuffle ensues and proceeds through several rooms, finally ending in the living room.
During the fight, the woman ends up with a knife and has stabbed the BG repeatedly. They get him on the floor and sit on him while the wife calls 911.

The response time was ten minutes or so due to the distance. Even listening to the audio, you can tell it was an eternity. The operator did her best when the woman kept asking "where are they!!!"

Evidently the BG died when he was fighting the cops trying to cuff him.

sloo50
September 24, 2008, 12:20 PM
^ Thank you.

MinnMooney
September 24, 2008, 12:54 PM
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away....

Yeah, like 15 minutes away while those two home owners are trying to hold down some a__hole that has aids and tried to kick the woman. If either home owner was cut (or had an existing open wound) during the melee then they stand a good chance of developing aids, also. they probably were cut because the lady said that she had been hit multiple times with the pipe that the intruder was wielding.

This reminds me of the 20/20 TV show this past Sunday evening. A woman has a guy chasing her with a gun. She is on the phone w/911 and is driving to the police station for protection. The 911 operator NEVER lets anyone know that this woman is on her way!!@! A lady police office just happens to be by the front door as the woman is being chased on foot by the gun-wielder. The officer races out the door but seconds too late. The guy killed the woman and then killed himself.
If the woman had been carrying a weapon, the outcome might have been much different. If the 911 operator had done her job, the outcome might have been much different.

Notes :
1.) The 911 operator had been talked to before about being rude to callers and not doing her job correctly.
2.) An officer that was interviewed wouldn't say that the operator did anything wrong and, in fact, actually defended her actions!
3.) The 911 operator was very attractive. If that had anything to do with her second/third chances to keep her job and her being defended by the officer is speculation but, ya know, I'm just saying.........

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