[3KillerBs]

DH has gotten the concealment of his S&W M&P 9 in his regular wardrobe down pretty well since he always has liked to wear a t-shirt or turtleneck (depending on weather), under an open shirt.

But today he has a rare business lunch with a client in a "business casual", cool-weather situation. He's in a tucked-in, long-sleeved shirt without a tie and his usual khakis. The M&P is in a tuckable holster, but DH hasn't had much luck with actually tucking his shirt over it because he dislikes the baggy, blobby, untidy look created by tucking a shirt that is baggy enough for adequate concealment. The gun butt prints badly in better-fitting shirts.

He's thrown on a sweater but is concerned that the restaurant is going to be too warm. A sports jacket is both equally warm and too formal.

Can a full-size gun be concealed in business casual with a tucked-in shirt that isn't so big as to make you look like you're wearing hand-me-downs from someone 100lbs larger?

Can an M&Pc be concealed in that way? Or does he need to get something truly small that can be put into a pocket holster for these occasions?

[bogie]

Everyone needs one of those little mouse guns... I'd really like to try out one of those new Ruger Kel-Tecs...

[Henry Bowman]

You are describing on of the toughest concealment situations. I have addressed it two ways. First, the tuckable you describe. Just deal with a little extra bagginess. regarding printing, others are not so observant as you think. Second, I have used an undershirt-type holster. There are several brands. Each have their pro and cons. They need to be worn fairly tight to be secure and not print. Too tight and you are tugging on them like a woman with an ill fitting bra. But that is about the best solution I have found to the problem you describe.

As an alternative, I'm in the market for a more pocketable pistol right now (with an appropriate pocket holster). That is not a useful alternative in some situations, but it will add another option.

ETA: I'd really like to try out one of those new Ruger Kel-Tecs...The Ruger LCP. Me too. They are in short supply and high demand. I would buy the P32 or P3AT, but I don't like that they don't have a slide lock. The Ruger "copy" does. I have a Beretta mouse gun, but would like a thinner alternative in a better caliber.

[mr.72]

Smartcarry, ankle rig, messenger bag?

I think wearing clothes that are too big is required CCW cultural conformance :) I take a lot of heat for this opinion but it is true.

[ZeSpectre]

Yup, that's a really tough one to work with.

In order of preference...

-Casual sports jacket and the usual OWB or IWB carry
-Smaller CCW gun (Bersa T380 Carry Concealed model in my case)
-Ankle holster
-Go without

Not really endorsed by me, but still a possibility...

-Smartcarry (just doesn't work well for large bellied folks, sorry)
-Off body carry (briefcase or soft-bag or Safepacker (http://store.thewilderness.com/index.php?cPath=51))

[Pat McCoy]

I purchased a lightweight leather vest (it came in my size regular or long, and I got the long) to wear on such occasions. Works great when attending the theater or other semi-dress up events too.

[bnkrazy]

That is my normal carry attire and method 99% of the time. I can conceal a Walther P99 in an uncle mikes IWB at 1:00 easily. It doesn't take much extra fluff to conceal, as the gun sits pretty low, maybe 1.5" above the belt line. The key is that the gun must be low in the holster, not riding high.

I like this method because if I need to go in a restaraunt, I can tuck the shirt behind it (actually, I've been OCing more often than not for the last several months anyway) and be in compliance with the "OC only if alcohol is served" law.

I can take a few pics when I get home.

[JackBurtonJr]

I would buy the P32 or P3AT, but I don't like that they don't have a slide lock. The Ruger "copy" does.

You might want to check that again.

And the P-32 does lock back on empty.

[j_charles]

PF-9 here. I have thought about this very situation, as IWB can be tricky with tucked shirts. I'll be trying out ankle carry for those occassion when the I have to go a little more formal than usual. But that's just me... YMMV.

[mr.72]

Just like anything, I think the options are something like this:

1. wear oversized/unfashionable clothes and carry whatever you want. This seems to be the popular answer from the CCW crowd

2. wear normal clothes that don't work at all with CCW with a normal size pistol and either carry off-body, carry a tiny gun in your pocket, or use some other unconventional method like Smartcarry or ankle rig that may work for you.

3. Don't carry

This is a situation I deal with daily. For me, sometimes the SC works, sometimes IWB works, sometimes messenger bag works, and almost never does a full-size (medium frame) pistol work.

[springmom]

I would second the vest. For you and me, we probably would look a little silly in them (how many women do you ever see wearing vests? right) but guys can pull this off much better. A really nice lightweight leather vest would be a great idea with the khakis and tie. Just a little bit up the dressiness scale, and would hide the gun (as long as he's careful to get one long enough.

Springmom

[csmkersh]

For business casual, this is what I'd wear (http://www.menswearhouse.com/menswear/detail.jsp?JSESSIONID=Lhv4FGLh7MqsWqXlhmCG2g9Mg6jVtJRjLNTTvgqQpWppYdNjCcBG!1909786907&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474395564325&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=1408474395564325&bmUID=1222275001081). Provides excellant concealment.

[tinygnat219]

Business Casual?

The Sport Coat is the way to go! Just keep it buttoned, and it can hide that OWB holster all day.

Some other options I didn't see mentioned:
BellyBand: http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum1881.php

While a little slower to draw, it provides a nice easy way to put on a button down shirt over the gun.

Pocket Carry with a smaller handgun:
KT P3AT is perfect for this.

Tuckable IWB holster.

[Loosedhorse]

"business casual", cool-weather situation

Golf shirt under sports coat. Even if I wasn't carrying, I'd be wearing a sportscoat.

tinygnat is absolutely right.

[3KillerBs]

Hmm. Sound about what I was thinking. Either look like the fabric monster is attacking your waistline or go for a smaller gun. :D

The vest idea might work, he likes vests, but finding a dressy vest long enough could be a problem. Most of the long ones seem to lean either to biker style or fishing/hunting style.

A sports jacket is too formal for business casual in this place where polo shirts and golf shirts are the norm for that level of formality. A sports jacket is church clothes and the suit/tie only needs to come out for weddings, funerals, and, potentially, clients from big cities.

He's back and the sweater worked without overheating, but its something to work on as we obtain his winter wardrobe.

[Sistema1927]

Pocket carry.

Business casual is my daily dress, and a Kahr PM9 in a DeSantis Nemesis does the trick for me. Prior to the PM9, I did the same with a 642.

[springmom]

I'd add my $.02 on pocket carry too, or at least something a lot smaller, but IIRC correctly you have a schedule in your family as to who gets the next gun? Thinking that it isn't his turn at the moment? Of course, need might rearrange that schedule, too.

Springmom

[Landor]

I dress like this everyday. I ended up buying a Ruger LCP to solve the problem My place of employment has a no weapons policy so concealing a bigger gun is just to risky for me. Find some Khakis with deep pockets, Get a P3AT / LCP and a pocket holster. Done deal.

[Henry Bowman]

You might want to check that again.

And the P-32 does lock back on empty.Sorry. I meant a manual slide lock. I just handled one last week and confirmed that I could not lock it open with the mag out.


Doesn't anyone else consider the undershirt holster (like the 5.11 (http://www.511tactical.com/browse/Home/Fire-EMS/511-Undergear/Tops/Holster-Shirt-V-Neck/D/30100/P/1:100:20000:20600:20601/I/40021)) an option, especially in cool weather? My biggest complaint is that they are too expensive to keep half a dozen of them in the drawer when they will wear out in a couple of years or so.

[WNC Seabee]

How about going untucked? I am biz casual all day every day. I wear decent khakis and nice shirt along the lines of this:

Shirt (http://www.waterfrontsclothing.com/product/mens+tops/casual+shirts/big+blue+short+sleeve+leno+shirt+by+sportif.do)

[Loosedhorse]

A sports jacket is too formal for business casual in this place

Sounds like an anti-gun plot to (if they can't ban all guns) at least ban anything bigger than a Seecamp!

.38 snub in a pocket holster. Use an alloy one if the steel weighs the pocket down too much.

BTW I have tried the "undershirt holsters." Real uncomfortable for me, and trying to get to it would be way slow, unless you rip open your shirt Superman-style!

:)

[mdao]

For me, it's a Smartcarry holster in a lowrise 2-3 o'clock IWB position using a flat single stack pistol with a short butt. On me, anything up to a Officer sized 1911 is nearly invisible unless the shirt is really tight. Kahrs and the Walther PPS work particularly well.

As an added bonus, there are no tell-tale clips poking around and I've found that it often conceals better than untucked with slim fit dress shirts. A bit of blousing generally provides enough space between the gun butt and your shirt to minimize printing. Downsides are that it's marginally slower than traditional tuckables and it's not one hand holsterable. Belts also have to be cinched fairly tightly to prevent the gun from shifting when running/etc.

[Tribal]

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[Oana]

Tribal, that sounds like a great idea. One question - anyone ever tried it? Would the magnets have a tendency to try to stick to the gun during the draw? (Depending on where it was carried relative to the magnets, of course.)

[Intrepid Dad]

I vote for the sport coat. Seriously, a light weight golf shirt and a light weight, navy blue blazer would go perfectly with khaki pants. And you could conceal pretty much anything you wanted to. :)

[kcshooter]

I run into this too. Too hot and humid for suitjackets. Tuckables are the best but sloppy looking, yes. Belly band is a good idea but not comfortable, it was my usual solution. So are the holster tshirts if they work, I've never tried one. Ankle holsters are not great for full sized guns, smartcarry makes me waaay too nervous.

I've solved this and now carry a 1911 in a "organizer" or day-planner made for ccw. I can have it sitting right in front of me or in my hand all day long and nobody has a clue.

This is the first summer I've done it and it's been very nice, and very comfortable, too. Although I'm looking forward to winter and suitjackets again.

http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/content/p/9/catid/14/pid/23863/?viewImg=1

[Pat McCoy]

This is similar to what I use, worn unbottoned with or without a bolo tie (won't ever tie a noose around my neck again).

http://www.blair.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&langId=-1&categoryId=100854&pcats=87768,87775,100854&productId=37882

[csmkersh]

Pat, that's why SAPD and the Sheriff's Department here wore clip on ties back when ties were still part of the street cops uniform.

[sailortoo]

ThreekillerBs - If you are adept at sewing, vests are a snap to fabricate at home, using your choice of fabrics, styles and colors. My wife (bless her!) is my source of numerous casual and dressy light weight vests, for any trip to town, or "packable" event. Very hot summers here, but a light vest is not a problem, and you can make 'em as you like 'em. Not just a coverup, but it is also a visual distraction, and does not look "gunny" at all - just a bit more dressed up. Just my easy way out.
sailortoo

[bogie]

My favorite... Wrap a bandanna around a Kel-Tec to break up the outline a little.

[Tribal]

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[daniel1113]

When I need to carry in a business casual environment (assuming I'm not wearing a sport coat) I always go with my PPK in my front pocket carry. I do miss not having the 1911, but it's tough to beat a pocket holster and gun in terms of comfort and convenience in that type of attire.

[3KillerBs]

I'd add my $.02 on pocket carry too, or at least something a lot smaller, but IIRC correctly you have a schedule in your family as to who gets the next gun? Thinking that it isn't his turn at the moment? Of course, need might rearrange that schedule, too.

Yes, we do have a schedule and my own carry gun is next (I should have it by now but commissions haven't been good the last couple months).

But this doesn't come up often and we're planning for the future.

[wrc]

Nah, that's never the case.

Try this:

http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/clothes-footwear/mens/sport-coats/66503.aspx?feature=Product_2

[xsquidgator]

I think pocket carry of some kind is the answer to business casual. And I may be wrong but I think you can get all the way up to a compact .40 into a pocket carry situation.

I have the same problem of dress, in that during the week I have to be in a button down shirt and at least chinos. As long as the pants are of reasonable fit, don't have to be baggy, I've been able to pocket carry 380s (KelTec P3AT and Bersa T380CC), a compact 9mm (Kahr CW9), and even a Ruger SP101 snubbie in .357, all in an Uncle Mike's #3 or smaller pocket holster.

I've done some fitting and am about to plunk down and buy a Springfield XD40 subcompact (3" barrel), since I think it will also fit in a pocket holster of about the same size. I haven't held a Kahr .40 (CW40?) but you can get very small pistols in all the way up to .45ACP if you want. I like my Kahr CW9 and see it being a backup carry, but I'm really looking forward to upgrading to 9+1 of .40 from what I have now, in a package about the same size.

So, I think with the right choice of gun, you could probably get a reasonably powerful handgun to fit into a pocket carry holster. There are some other inventive solutions I've tried out at a vendor's table at the gun shows but didn't buy, such as the holster that slips down the front of your pants and is held up by a fake pager that clips onto your belt. Didn't do it for me, but they seem to sell a fair number of those so some people must find that it works for them.

[stevemis]

Can he get away with tying the arms of a sweater around his waist?

[jonmerritt]

Instead of magnets in your shirt buttons, just get snap button shirts. You can rip them open like superman, and snap them back shut to blend in. Or buy them and put them on your favorite shirt. or use small pieces of velcro (hook and loop).

[19112XS]

An appropriately sized pistol in one of those "cell phone" looking belt pouches could be used by men and women. Enough people now have multiple cell phones, Blackberries, and PDAs hanging off of them that another person with a pouch will go unnoticed.

[wyosasquatch]

If he is open to wearing a vest, Google "wyoming traders wool western vest" and you will see several options come up. These are available in both canvas and wool and are simple to wear in warm and cool weather.

Someone did point out that vests only work in some parts of the country. It works for us in Wyoming.

[SomeKid]

I would check on how you are doing your tucking. I conceal with a CTAC, and unless physically touched nobody knows it is there, and even I can tuck it and think it looks appropriate.

[hankdatank1362]

Ankle Holster, if he has one. Comp-Tac Minotaur with standard and tuckable clips as an option would be a wise investment.

[3KillerBs]

I would check on how you are doing your tucking. I conceal with a CTAC, and unless physically touched nobody knows it is there, and even I can tuck it and think it looks appropriate.

DH tucks his shirt down FIRMLY and hates the sloppy, fabric balloon look of a loosely tucked shirt. He even tucks t-shirts into sweatpants. What can I say? We grew up in the preppie era. :lol:

[SomeKid]

Odd, I tend to tuck my shirts in on the tighter side of things. Might have to do with body design.

Out of curiosity, exactly what holster is he using?

[3KillerBs]

Its this one: http://www.shop.customcarryconcepts.com/product.sc?categoryId=3&productId=3

http://www.shop.customcarryconcepts.com/images/1188969425436450995852.jpeg

Of course the M&P is a fairly chunky, double-stack gun and he has the full-size, not the compact.

[Vermont]

Go untucked. If anyone says anything, just tell them you prefer to tuck your pants into your shirt.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/20/fashion/20DRES.html?ex=1248062400&en=395983a3aacfd28f&ei=5090

[shotgun12321]

haha that's funny

[3KillerBs]

Funny, but DH hates to wear an untucked shirt unless its worn as an overshirt on top of another, tucked shirt.

The overshirt on top of a tucked t-shirt is his usual, casual dress. BUT, the problem was the greater formality of the business causal -- with proper, collared, tucked shirt but sans sports coat or suit jacket. :)

[green country shooter]

I don't know if these accord with his sense of style, but

http://www.concealedcarry.com/

makes vests that look OK - not like safari or photographer's vests. And they will make them extra long if you ask.

[Big Boomer]

I have an "organizer" that will fit my 1911, sp101, or my Full size XD works great I just keep it next to me, no one knows the wiser.

[loop]

I have to dress in business casual every day, but work in Bullhead City, Ariz., where summer temps frequently to 120 degrees.

It just is not possible to conceal anything bigger than a mouse gun when you have to deal with that heat.

I have a Kahr MK40 that I sometimes carry in a Pager Pal during the summer, but I have settled for a KT P32 in my back pocket for everyday carry.

I keep a .45 under the seat of the car, but it just is not realistic to try and carry anything any larger concealed on my person.

For six months out of the year I can wear a vest or sport jacket and carry a compact version of something larger, but when the heat is on all I can handle is the KT in my back pocket.

I carry my wallet in the left pocket and the KT on the right. If I'm robbed I can make a call, do I go for the mouse gun in the right rear or the wallet - and then the mouse gun.

There is a plus side. If you pull out a little teeny gun and it makes big noise it will probably shock the assailant so much you can empty your mag before they realize they're being shot.

Eight rounds of .32 is a lot better than unarmed.

[loneviking]

I have one of the 'concealed carry' vests and strongly recommend them. They look better than the pictures on the site and you can hide a full size rig under them. The vests can go with jeans or business casual and they don't have that 'shoot me first' look that some vests have. I wear one pretty much every day.

[TAB]

I'm sorry if your wearing a vest in summer, in the southwest... Every one will know you have a gun on.

For me light 38 in the front pocket actually hides very well, but it all depends one your body type, cut of the pants, what your doing... etc, etc. What works for me, might not work well for you.

[loneviking]

I'm sorry if your wearing a vest in summer, in the southwest... Every one will know you have a gun on.



I haven't heard anyone say anything yet and if there is no 'print' they truly can't know. I only wear the vest when I'm shopping around town. I'm in Nevada, so I can open carry whenever I want--which is anytime I'm not running around town. The stores and car are air-conditioned so there's no problem there. I don't see what the fuss is over wearing a very lightweight vest in the heat. The vest drapes so well that, unless there is wind, you don't even have to close it up and yet the gun stays concealed.

[Deanimator]

Funny, but DH hates to wear an untucked shirt unless its worn as an overshirt on top of another, tucked shirt.
+10,000. I refuse to go out into the street looking like a hobo.

A customer once asked me to sit in on sales pitches for a very expensive document scanning system she was considering. One guy came in looking like one of the "Lone Gunmen" with his shirt tail out. He was crossed off of the list INSTANTLY.

I'll open carry before I wear untucked.

[3KillerBs]

Thanks everyone.

Smaller gun and a deep concealment holster of one kind or another seems about right. It will be a while to get that onto the list, but fortunately these meetings are fairly rare.

[squinty]

How about an "informal" sports jacket? I nice light, unpadded linen or poplin jacket that wouldn't be out of place with jeans, surely wouldn't be too formal for any busines type setting. OR a shirt designed to be worn untucked - a hawaiian shirt, or a mexican wedding shirt, bowling type shirt.

[SCKimberFan]

Are you talking Members Only?

There aren't any members left. :D

[NG VI]

The key is that the gun must be low in the holster, not riding high.


Yes, a good low-ride IWB is the way to go for me. Or how about the M&P9c? It is still a "big gun" but the slightly shorter grip will make it soooooo much easier to conceal when clothing starts to work against you. I'd rather carry my Glock 27 than a pocket gun any day. Actually, in a couple of my pants/shorts the 27 IS my pocket gun! A really heavy pocket gun, but it works and is a "big gun" still, despite being chopped up.

[Sebastian the Ibis]

When you say "business casual" can you pull off a Fendi or Gucci Fanny Pack?

http://www.overstock.com/Luggage-Bags/Fendi-Black-Fabric-Fanny-Pack-with-Pouch-Pockets/2587493/product.html

I'm assuming that there are very few Metrosexual Italian Fuax-hawk sporting highroaders but you might just be one of them. If you are this would be perfect.

Also, with two separate pouches it can be used for shells when shooting trap and skeet.

[3KillerBs]

When you say "business casual" can you pull off a Fendi or Gucci Fanny Pack?

I might be able to.

DH wouldn't be caught dead in one. He used to have a fanny pack that he carried his diabetes supplies in and not only never once actually put it on but refused to carry it in his hand in a public place too. :D

[JT in VA]

Try the ever popular "briefcase holster." Better than going unarmed.

[salthouse]

Covert Khakis from www.511tactical.com . Easy to pocket carry in the pocket-inside-the-pocket. Really well made pants too. I wear them even when I can't carry (visiting NJ or NY).

[Defensory]

I don't recommend one for daily CC, but in this particular situation, I'd recommend an ankle holster.

He could possibly print with an IWB, since the clothing is casual and it's not cold enough to be wearing heavy clothes yet.

Since it's a business luncheon, he'll be sitting down most of the time. So an IWB or something similar might print, the grip might accidentally poke out completely from under his shirt if he moves the wrong way, or he could bump against a chair and make a revealing noise.

A quality ankle holster when worn properly, is one of the easiest holsters to conceal well. Presuming he'll be sitting at a table for lunch, it'll be virtually impossible to see when it's covered by his pants, as well as underneath the table.

[Superpsy]

have you checked out this very similar thread?
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=82848

My CCW is on its way so haven't tried it out completely yet...I have the crossbreed supertuck (http://crossbreedholsters.com/). Also can't beat the lifetime warranty. I've been very pleased with it and I've been able to try it out with business casual like you describe (around the house!). Chinos and a non-oversized shirt (tucked). Seems to work fairly well and worth a shot if he doesn't want to try mouse or pocket guns.

[jetman]

I'm in outside sales and have to wear dockers and a dress shirt daily, and still like to carry when I can. I tried a couple different options but have finally settled on my Rohrbaugh and a quality pocket holster. It fits comfortably in my front pocket and with the holster doesn't have the typical "gun" print. It looks more like a wallet or folded cash look of a money clip.... if you're looking closely, and most don't even look, let alone notice it. No one to date has ever mentioned it even once. It works for me anyway.
http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/30381/2477642640010258782S600x600Q85.jpg (http://news.webshots.com/photo/2477642640010258782NUpVoj)

[akodo]

The "Business Casual" can vary from place to place

Higher end Business Casual then sportscoat is the best choice.

If, as you say, a sportcoat sans tie with a nice turtleneck is 'too dressy' then go for cargo pants and a nice shirt, and pop a light gun in the cargo pocket

[B yond]

You might try a belly band. This will hold the butt of your weapon closer to your body and can be worn higher than a tuckable holster (think right under your ribs) so printing isn't noticeable.

If you've got a bit of "overhang" appendix carry in a tuckable holster might work for you.

[Defensory]

Belly bands are one of the slowest carry methods to access, and also one of the least comfortable.

Seated at a table or in a car, an ankle holster would be noticeably faster AND more comfortable than a belly band. You'd also have to be careful how much you eat and drink, with a belly band wrapped tightly around your stomach. ;)

[jkingrph]

For me it is a S&W Titianium, Scandium lite or something like that, hammerless, double action only so nothing to snag in 38spc+P.. Definetly not the most accurate thing going and it is so light recoil is bad especially with the hot loads. Plus is that weight is so low it does not pull pants down, this thing weighs about the same as my Palm pilot which I carry at work in pants pocket( work in hospital and cannot carry there), giving me the advantage of having a gun of similar size and weight as the item I carry there most of the time. I use one of those little leather/Kydex pocket holsters with a tab so you can push the gun loose while in pocket, and break up outline of gun, so I am unconcerned about a bulky rectangular shaped object in my front pants pocket.

[B yond]

Belly bands are one of the slowest carry methods to access, and also one of the least comfortable.

This is simply not true.

A belly band worn strong side where an IWB holster would sit is just as accessible as an IWB, and no slower to draw from.

Worn crossdraw under a button-up business shirt the shirt can be torn open with the weak hand (buttons will pop off) and the weapon can be drawn with the strong hand.

A belly band is one of the most versatile holsters I've ever used. They can be worn strong side, weak side, crossdraw, appendix, SOB, under the arm, on the waistline, center of stomach, basically anywhere on your torso you need to put it. It holds the weapon close to your body and conceals well.

Speed of access is just a matter of practice.

Comfort is a matter of finding what works for your body type. Personally, I can carry 2 full size autos, 2 spare mags, and a wallet in my belly band very comfortably. I use the ProTech Outdoors deluxe model.

Belly bands are also one of the best options for concealing a weapon while wearing sweats, athletic shorts, or other pants without a belt capable of holding up your weapon.

[kcshooter]

While I agree with the versatility and accessibility of belly bands over ankle holsters, I personally do not find them very comfortable. Quite the opposite.

[TexasRifleman]

I'll suggest something here, and probably get flamed for it, but there are times that off body carry can work.

You have to be SO careful to keep control of the weapon and not forget it but sometimes it does work.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:koYB2uVYW6osrM:http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4386/dpyi4.jpg

http://www.dillonprecision.com/uimages/missing_images/18193_concealed_carry_tote_m.jpg

[rbernie]

I've been using off-body carry in the office for the last seven years, and I haven't lost it yet. :)

[TexasRifleman]

Yeah I've been doing it for years too but every time I bring it up some self righteous person loses their mind over it.

I pretty much stopped talking about it, but it works. :)

[kcshooter]

This was my first spring/summer with a gun in a fake organizer, never came close to losing or forgetting it, and boy, is it comfortable!

[Defensory]

Belly bands (BB) are one of the least comfortable carry methods available, year around.

You can also get to an IWB holster NOTICEABLY quicker than a BB, WITHOUT tearing off your buttons and/or ripping your shirt.

In the summer, BB's are quite hot and can make you sweat profusely.

In cold weather when you're wearing a tucked-in shirt and zipped-up winter coat, GOOD LUCK getting to a BB in a critical situation.

[3KillerBs]

I've discussed all the suggestions with DH and he thinks that the best option is the smaller gun in pocket holster.

It may be a while until we can get it, but he sort of wanted an excuse to get that Ruger LCP anyway. LOL!

[CAS700850]

I was an IWB or shoulder holster guy at my old job, but since it was the county prosecutor's office, a gun on the belt was almost expected. When I came to the new job, concealed at all times was the rule. I started to pocket carry my Smith 649 (all stainless old-style .38) while I saved up for my "solution" for carrying without a coat, an ankle holster. Two years later, the money for the ankle holster is long forgotten, and I pocket carry daily. Now I'm saving for an Airweight. The all-steel isn't bad, but an Airweight would be better.

BUt don't forget the Speedstrips for reloading!

[Defensory]

I like the Dillon Precision Concealed Carry Tote that TexasRifleman posted an image of.

It's designed to hold both a firearm and a laptop computer.

However, if you don't actually own a laptop, it's not a very good idea. Laptops are a hot item on the street, and carrying around a bag that makes hoods think you've got one, is going to significantly increase your chances of getting mugged.

If you already own a laptop and carry it with you frequently, then the tote isn't a bad idea.

[loop]

This reminds me of a favorite gun tale of mine. I was once an officer of a gun club in rural Idaho. We had our board meeting at the cafe at the bowling alley (only sit-down restaurant in town) once a month. If you got there early you had dinner before the meeting.

One night five of us were early and sitting at the same table talking about the best carry methods. We were all open carrying, but everyone had a backup. Before you knew it there were 14 guns sitting on the table. We all knew that no one was completely disarmed, but no one said anything. We were just laughing at how many doggone guns five guys were carrying.

When the waitress showed up with the food she looked at the table and said "You boys want to remove the hardware so I can put these plates down?"

You gotta love living in the rural west...

Now I live in a town that has fast food places and I have to wear a dress shirt and "business casual" pants. Life in a city of 40,000 sucks... There are libs here!

[GPossenti]

I've resorted to wearing Crossbreed supertuck khaki pants and a button down tucked in, or nice bowling shirt untucked.

It works, and I carry an XD45 compact.

[Dr_2_B]

I usually go with a smaller pistol in a pocket holster. I may be kidding myself, but I don't think it prints badly with even a kel-tec p11.

[scotthsi]

I would buy the P32 or P3AT, but I don't like that they don't have a slide lock. The Ruger "copy" does.

Maybe someone already addressed this as I didn't read all the pages, but the Ruger LCP does NOT have a slide lock. It simply has a manual finger activated "slide hold open lever" that can be used to facilitate clearing malfunctions and/or cleaning. The slide will NOT lock back on an empty magazine any more than a Kel-Tec P3AT (the one Ruger blatantly copied) will. The Kel-Tec P32 DOES have a slide lock as in it will automatically lock back after the last round. There is no release lever as it's like the Walther PPK/s design. Insert new loaded mag, pull slide back and let it go to chamber a new round...

As for the OP, I carry a Kahr PM9 all day, every day in my right front pocket and I wear business casual for work. Used to be a Kel-Tec P3AT, which I do carry at times "for fun" as a third gun, but the PM9 replaced it years ago. The PM9 is my primary (only) carry during the work week and pulls back up duty go my G19 or Kimber on the weekends/off days.

[No Quarter]

I wear business casual every day. a kangaroos Air Marshal holster works great under a tucked in dress shirt. I carry a Colt Defender in it and nobody knows I am carrying 7 rounds of .45acp ready to go.

The extra shoulder strap helps support the weight so I don;t have to cinch down the strap so tight that t is uncomfortable.

Great little holster. I also usually carry an NAA mini in .22 mag in my pocket just in case I need to buy some time to get to my main gun.

NQ

[Texasborn]

I wear slacks and a knit shirt for work. My CCL hasn't arrived yet, but the pager pal was mentioned earlier. They go by the "Cell Pal" now. Has anybody tried this and what are it's pros and cons?

http://www.concealedcomfort.com/

[RJT CCW]

Nice looking holster Texasborn.

I may have to try that.

In the mean time I carry a KelTec PF9 in the summer in a KHolster Tuckable IWB. I can tuck a polo shirt with slight blousing and only fellow CCW holders ever notice.

The KHolster can be ordered from www.kholster.com

In the winter I carry a Glock 19 in a KHolster since I have more clothes on :-)