M&P 9C vs. CZ PCR


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jon_in_wv
September 25, 2008, 07:37 PM
I love my M&P 9C but honestly I sometimes get a little tired of its girth. Its a great shooter but I'm getting curious about another weapon. I had looked at the CZs before getting my M&P. Can anyone tell me how the CZ PCR compares to the M&P Compact in size? Mostly height and width? If you had pics that would be awesome.

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NG VI
September 25, 2008, 08:02 PM
It's about the size of the Glock 19, but I think slimmer. I love my PCR, it's a fantastic gun. Holsters can be an issue if you like to buy off the shelf.

armoredman
September 25, 2008, 08:12 PM
PCR is an awesome pistol, holsters are available, the Bianchi M-100 for Glock 19 is a good fit, (I have one somewhere), and Eric, (PCRCCW on THR), makes some very nice CZ holsters. It is a little smaller and slimmer than the 19, and a whole lot more comfortable, in my opinion

NovaTiger
September 25, 2008, 08:14 PM
The specs on both can be found at cz-usa.com and smith-wesson.com. The PCR is actually a longer and wider gun than the M&P, so if your concern is about concealment or grip size, the PCR might not be a better option. Having said that, I have a PCR as well as a full size M&P. The PCR is the best "feeling" gun I've ever held, though I'm admittedly a novice. The balance in also good in my opinion. Ditto the above about holsters.

skers69
September 25, 2008, 08:22 PM
I was able to find a Galco c250 that works well for IWB CCW for the PCR. I love my CZ and you can get the Kadet kit and have a nice .22 to plink with. It is like having two guns for the price of one and a half. Love my PCR and if you do get one...word of warning...I hear the tend to lead to more CZ's.

jon_in_wv
September 25, 2008, 09:55 PM
Like most manufacturers there website lists the width of the weapon at the WIDEST point NOT the slide. This measurement doesn't tell you anything about how the weapon will carry. Is the PCR really 1.4 inches across the width of the frame? Or is that across the safeties. THe length also lists the LONGEST parts of the gun. The PCR has a tang that doesn't impact the way the gun is carried nearly as much as the extra 1/2 inch of slide on the rear of the weapon to cover the striker mechanism. What I'm asking about is more subjective. Obviously I could just look up the numbers myself.

armoredman
September 25, 2008, 10:17 PM
Subjectively, I have carried the G19 concealed, and both PCR and P01 concealed. With a good holster and belt, there is very little differance, perception is everything.
I do kinda prefer CZ... :)

jon_in_wv
September 25, 2008, 11:12 PM
Lets not forget also I'm talking about the difference between the M&P9c and the CZ Compact/P01/PCR. I don't have a Glock, nor am I getting one soon.

armoredman
September 25, 2008, 11:45 PM
Sorry, jon, got sidetracked there. :o

jon_in_wv
September 26, 2008, 01:01 AM
Why do you prefer the CZ though?

pistolwhipped
September 26, 2008, 08:23 AM
There are two things on this thread that I totally agree with.
The PCR fits my hand as well as any weapon I have ever held.
Holsters are a pain in the ass to find. I bought one used from a fellow poster here or at TFL. (can't remember)
I did not want to wait six months to a year to get a holster made, so it took me two years to find one used that I liked. I know,I know :confused:.

Pilot
September 26, 2008, 08:52 AM
I love my PCR, it's a fantastic gun. Holsters can be an issue if you like to buy off the shelf.

Holsters designed for the Sig P228/P229 fit the PCR very well. I carry mine OWB in a Bianchi Shadow II belt holster which I bought off the shelf for my Sig, but prefer carrying the PCR in it.

IdahoLT1
September 26, 2008, 09:22 AM
I believe the PCR has snag free features(i.e. de cocker and slide release). Even if it is bigger, i found the M&P to handle like a Glock IMO. It doesnt point naturally well for me. The CZ grips are funny. My Witness(based of the CZ) is a 10mm and holds 15rds, yet i can wrap my paws around it easier than my buddies G22. Its comparable to my Beretta 92F.

I almost bought a PCR but decided on a Kahr CW9 for concealed carry, due to size, weight and smaller grip.

armoredman
September 26, 2008, 10:40 AM
jon, the CZ grip fits me like a glove. I've never wrapped a paw around the M&P compact, though the full size didn't fit me very well. The Glock feels like an ugly brick.
CZ always works very well for me, and my wife...you might think we are somewhat sold on the brand...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/Nuffsaid.jpg

jon_in_wv
September 26, 2008, 12:47 PM
The website for CZ and M&P lists the PCR at 5.3 inches high and the M&P at 4.3. That is a sizeable difference when carrying under a t-shirt. I just wish Smith would make a 9mm carry version that wasn't unnecessarily wide to accommodate the .40/.357 in the same platform.

armoredman
September 26, 2008, 08:18 PM
I carry my PO1 in an HBE COMIII IWB rig under a large t-shirt with no issues. Best of luck finding the perfect setup!

david_the_greek
September 26, 2008, 08:31 PM
ok guys, love my PCR, having a slight issue. Having jams as the gun fires and the slide is returning and feeding a round into the chamber. Recoil spring? worn out mag springs? It happens mostly when my friends shoot, but I also kungfoo grip it. Even then, it sometimes happens for me. Any suggestions?

armoredman
September 27, 2008, 12:03 PM
New recoil spring, check to see if your feed ramp is buggered, and what type of ammo? Some out of spec handloads will do that.

jon_in_wv
September 27, 2008, 02:44 PM
Today I took my M&P 9C to the range and shot about 50 rounds. I was quickly reminded why I put up with the bulk of the little bugger. It is dead on. At 35 yard I was chasing a piece of plastic garbage some knucklehead left behind. I didn't hit it every time but it was about half the size of a dollar bill and I hit it plenty of times. The M&Ps are really nice shooters. I guess I'll have to save up for a CZ and try some head to head shooting to decide which one it will be. I can't see trading in a weapon that shoots as good as this one. The only issue I have with it is that every couple of mags the slide will lock back with one round still in the mag. Worse case scenario I drop a mag with one round still in it. I can live with that for now.

JustRick
September 27, 2008, 06:40 PM
Today I took my M&P 9C to the range and shot about 50 rounds. I was quickly reminded why I put up with the bulk of the little bugger. It is dead on.

When I was pistol-testing before buying, the Smith M&P 9 compact was the only 3-inch pistol I could shoot as well as the bigger 4-inch+ guns. The little Smith is very nice. I also really like shooting the CZ 75 and am looking forward to trying out the PCR.

jon_in_wv
September 28, 2008, 11:56 PM
I've always loved the CZ design and its a crime that I don't currently have one. I have 2 1911s, a HP, as well as other military sidearms but no CZ. I should get one before everyone catches wind of how good they are and prices go up!

CZF
September 29, 2008, 11:30 AM
I've owned both guns.

The P01 was larger than the M&P Compact, especially in the butt.http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/AP01.jpg

I like the standard mag without finger plate for carry.

A M&P 9C would probably be lighter than a PCR but not by much.


Both are good guns, but go with the CZ if you want something special for yourself. You can always buy a M&P down the road.

jon_in_wv
October 1, 2008, 06:44 PM
It looks really tiny in the picture. How do they compare in width?

j1979
October 1, 2008, 07:54 PM
I would just go tho their respective websites and get the exact facts on them

jon_in_wv
October 1, 2008, 09:31 PM
Yeah, that suggestion has already been posted. Once again I'll explain that the manufacturers list the WIDEST point of the weapon when posting width. This is normally the slide lock or safety and NOT the slide width. Glock lists their pistols at 1.4 inches. Is the slide really 1.4 inches wide? Overall width really means nothing. The width of the slide or frame is what really makes an impact on the hip.
Lastly, I'm trying not to be offended by the idea that I wouldn't have thought to do to the manufacturers website to look it up before asking. I'm a little more internet savvy than that.

P.S. I was born and raised in Minnesota. God I love that place. I moved to WV 5 years ago and I'm sick to go back home. God Bless you friend.

j1979
October 1, 2008, 09:53 PM
Sorry, wasnt thinkin straight when I wrote that. I skimmed the other posts and didnt catch it all. I always thought that the websites gave every dimension of the gun too, wasnt tryn to offend you. I was wrong and learned something. Also, yes Minnesota is a great place. Grew up on a farm and found my way to the big city

The Lone Haranguer
October 1, 2008, 11:24 PM
I have both guns - plus a Glock 19 - and a caliper, but :banghead: no camera.

The M&P is considerably shorter in the butt than the PCR. (I could not measure this accurately with the caliper, but the difference is obvious, at least an inch.) The width of the grips at their widest point is also slimmer (M&P with medium backstrap 1.260 inches, PCR with slim wood grips 1.400 inches). The M&P's slide is considerably wider than that of the PCR (1.085 inches vs. a very slender 0.935 inch; its frame is actually wider than the slide). And the Glock 19's slide is 1.010 inches, far from the 1.4 you mentioned.

Which one do I like better? I'm still trying to decide. :) Subjectively, the slimmer PCR is more comfortable to carry IWB and has a less "top-heavy" balance. But the M&P has the same trigger pull for each shot vs. the PCR's DA/SA transition (it cannot be carried cocked and locked). Also, my personal M&P has had 100% perfect functioning from round one, while the PCR has exhibited some ammo sensitivity.

jon_in_wv
October 2, 2008, 12:57 AM
27 posts and I finally get what I was looking for!!!

I love the way my M&P shoots too. Its just a little bulky on the hip. I guess there is no free lunch. Anyhow, winter is coming. I'll be able to carry OWB for a few months.

jon_in_wv
October 4, 2008, 12:05 PM
What is the width of the PCR's frame? You mention it is wider than the slide.

jon_in_wv
November 8, 2008, 08:34 PM
Today I was at the range and one of the other shooters had a CZ Rami in 40cal. The Rami was the same overall length of the M&P but the slide was about a 1/2-3/4 inch shorter than the slide of the M&P. The slide was also quite a bit thinner. While the frame appeared about the same width of the M&Ps slide but overall its was much less bulky than the M&P. Heightwise it was nearly identical. I am really tempted by the Rami but I would have to give an honest range session to find out. The Rami this guy had wouldn't fee reliably. I think the recoil spring was too weak as it felt a little weak and it seems to throw its empties an awful long way.

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