September 26, 2008, 01:21 AM
im not sure just what forum this belongs in, hunting or handguns. SO please move if needed.
When did we become depended upon high tech ammunition that expands instantly in a gelatin block and makes a nice looking wound channel? When did the obloselet all lead bulelt that would hit the gelatin block, go all the way through it AFTER moving the gelatin block a few inches on the table?
Im trying to put my brain around the idea of going back to heavy non expanding all lead bullets in any gun, let alone a handgun, when ive become used to big heavy bullets that expand in heavy bone.
September 26, 2008, 02:04 AM
Basically when experts like Dr. Martin Fackler discovered that in the operating room and trauma stations on war zones the severity of the wound was the deciding factor in lethality and rapid incapacitation. Deep penetration was the primary component, followed by additional permanent cavity creation through yawing, tumbling, fragmentation, or expansion of the projectile. Since this concept of wound mechanics was discovered, and further refined in the 1980s with the FBI wound ballistics workshops, handgun effectiveness has been demonstrated in the field to be doing much better than in the past. On a human target, a .45-70 will punch a large hole and go all the way through the target, but a modern 5.56 round like the 75gr Hornady TAP will cause more tissue destruction by causing lots of fragmentation between 4-8" of penetration in the human body.
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Handguns work by essentially punching holes, and obviously the large the hole you punch the better. However, the larger the caliber you use the more compromises you make in areas such as magazine capacity, recoil management, muzzle flash, muzzle blast, pistol size, pistol ergonimics, and rapid target reaquisition. This is why the most common handgun caliber in the world is the 9x19mm.
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Even if you believe in alternative theories such as energy dump or ballistic pressure wave, it is still very important that the bullet expand or fragment and not simply zip through the body like a large, heavy, solid projectile would.
September 26, 2008, 04:39 AM
Fackler and Sannow, let's do some research to support our theories...
The sheeple will follow....
chris in va
September 26, 2008, 05:59 AM
Also keep in mind you want the bullet to stop IN the body and not exit. Until someone invents a better stopping device, this is what we have.
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