[veloce851]

So far things look good for MO residents (poor me on the KS side :( )
Two veto overides passed the house today 1 was a pro-life bill and the 2nd was MO's CCW law.
Tomorrow the senate votes, lets hope all goes well and we can add yet another state to the pro Constitution states.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/6731588.htm

[litman252]

Let us know, you guys are just a few steps ahead of where we might end up....................:(

Tony

[Moparmike]

Next, you need to get AR reciprocity passed...:D

Seriously, good for you....well, MO. Hopefully, you can move to somewhere that the 2nd is recognized like the others or luck into having it passed in KS.

[Gray Peterson]

Folks,

It's equally critical that you call the following Senator's:

Senators Michael Gibbons, Jim Mathewson, and Ken Jacobs.

Since it's unlikely Dolan will be able to make it back from Cuba on military leave, these three Senator's are the most likely to waffle on pressure.

If you are a Missouri resident, call your own Senator, urge them to vote yes on the override, as well as the three Senator's above.

If you are NOT a Missouri resident, call the 3 Senator's above. Let them know that you will not vacation in Branson, hunt, or do anything in Missouri, until Missouri has a CCW law.

Senator Gibbons: (573)751-2853

Senator Mathewson: (573) 751-4771

Senator Jacob: (573) 751-2131

[Moparmike]

Well, lets be a smidge more cordial. Lets say that we hear that vacationing in MO is great, but we cant do so lest we become instant felons. We would like to contribute to the tourist-income bottom line of the state, but it isnt worth "going without protection"/"instant felony". Dear senator, wont you please let me come and enjoy your lovely state?

While I will be the first to say that I would dearly love to say "Join the United States and let your subjects know freedom", its just not the most productive manner in which to achieve desired results.

[Gray Peterson]

Senator Dolan Critical to Vote, but still unknown if he can make it back..... (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/3E1011CADF1DA45786256D9E0012F10B?OpenDocument&Headline=Capitol+acts+hinge+on+whether+Dolan+can+get+pass+home)

:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

There is no amount of profanity I can use to unseethe my anger at this situation.

[Gray Peterson]

Dolan Returns to Missouri from Cuba (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/Missouri+State+News/789515B9D5E36D1286256D9E00439927?OpenDocument&Headline=Dolan+leaves+Cuba+to+cast+critical+vote+on+guns)

:what:

Keep the calls on Senator Gibbon's. He's the Republican who voted against the bill. PUT THE PRESSURE ON!!!

[srschick]

anyone know at what time the vote will be?

[jmcc11]

The veto session starts at 10:00 am.

[Gray Peterson]

You can listen if you have Real player, at http://www.moga.state.mo.us and click on Live Senate Debate.

This is getting nailbiting....they're doing the roll call now...:uhoh:

UPDATE: As of 10:13 Missouri time, they are reviewing SB280, a tort reform bill. :/ It's coming, but it's just nailbiting.

[BowStreetRunner]

its going down today?
oooo ill bet ole gov blissninny is upset that Dolan made it back....hehe

[bogie]

I can't connect to the debate - what's happening?

[KMKeller]

They recessed for lunch Bogie.

[dustind]

for gun lawsuits 23 aye, 10 nay motion adopted, we won!!
Thanks Lonnie

cool it is looking GOOD

wow that senator that was away on leave is amazing, we need more like him.

now a female anti is speaking, she is making a crappy case.

[KMKeller]

They just started the conceal and carry bill!

[Gray Peterson]

What Mr. Jacob forgets to mention was that the Missouri constitution of 1871 was adopted by RACISTS with RACIST intent. CCW charges were NEVER filed against white people, only blacks.

He also says that there's going to be a constitutional challenge against the law, using the "Shall not justify the carrying of concealed weapons" part of the RKBA provision in the constitution. Hogwash.

He says that the CCW bill is a slap in the face to the electorate. Sorry, the rights of people to self defense is not subject to a vote, Mr. Jacobs.

Anyway, right this second, Senate Majority Gibbons (the guy who voted no in the first part), it's looking like he's changing his vote to yes for the override, because he's supporting it on the floor now.

[jmcc11]

Gibbons gave a great speech.

[Gray Peterson]

You know what we need:

Black women to support the second amendment. It's painful to listen to this black female anti-gunner try to defend a law that was passed to help her ancestor's get LYNCHED.

*sighs*

[Silver Bullet]

Get Condi in there -- now !

[RocketMan]

Listening to the debate, it makes me wonder if a way could be found to harness all that hot air.
Do you think the heating bill is any less in the MO Senate chamber during the winter? Or do they have to air condition year round?
Does the hot air from the left side of the aisle have a higher energy content than that from the right side?

Raising their voices now, getting loud, vociferous.

[dustind]

we won 23 to 10

I just told packing.org this is too cool. I almost could not believe the antis in this debate. They said some crazy things.

[lee n. field]

Two veto overides passed the house today 1 was a pro-life bill and the 2nd was MO's CCW law.

Wisconsin maybe, Missouri maybe. Illinois will be surrounded by civilized states.

[Gray Peterson]

WE WIN!!!! 23 aye, 10 no!!!

Missouri is now the 36th Shall-issue state.

[Guntalk]

YEEEHAW!

[RVSinOK]

YESSSSSSS!!! :D :D :D

[Guntalk]

It's great that Missouri has passed this important public safety measure.

Congratulations to the many people who worked on this for YEARS!

Never give up.

[cordex]

Good start. Now grant some reciprocity.

[KMKeller]

Congrats you guys! Welcome aboard Missouri!

[Ed N.]

Congrats, Missouri! Anybody know if this bill contained reciprocity?

[jmcc11]

Congrats, Missouri! Anybody know if this bill contained reciprocity?


I believe Missouri will accecpt all other states permits.

[Ed N.]

Great. If that's the case, Florida will recognize Missouri's. Welcome to citizenhood, guys.

When's the law take effect?

[cordex]

Anyone got a link to the text of the bill? Especially interested in when it goes into effect and reciprocity clauses. May be going to Missouri soon.

[Bruce H]

They also voted to override and send to the house the bill shopping lawsuits on the firearms industry. St Louis polititions including the sheriff should be feeling really down about now.

[BowStreetRunner]

great job MO!
a month and half after i move away you guys pass it!
hehe
wohooo!
BSR

[The Plainsman]

HELP! HELP!

Go vote at this link -

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/2476182/detail.html?treets=kc1&tml=kc1_break&ts=T&tmi=kc1_break_5355_03160109112003

It won't change anything, but we need the moral victory. :D

[Diesle]

Another awesome and overwhelming victory for FREEDOM in America. It fills me with pride. Way to go MO!


Diesle

[Kharn]

Congrats, where's the party going to be? :evil:

Kharn

[jsalcedo]

Excellent!!!!!!

[Andrew Rothman]

The full text is here: http://www.house.state.mo.us/bills03/biltxt/truly/HB0349T.HTM

Here are the highlights:

Who can get a permit:

(1) Is at least twenty-three years of age, is a citizen of the United States and either:

(a) Has resided in this state for at least six months; or

(b) Is a member of the armed forces stationed in Missouri, or the spouse of such member of the military;

(2) Has not pled guilty to...a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year....

(3) Has not been convicted of...one or more misdemeanor offenses involving crimes of violence within a five-year period....

(4) Is not a fugitive from justice....

(5) Has not been discharged under dishonorable conditions from the United States armed forces;

(6) Has not engaged in a pattern of behavior, documented in public records, that causes the sheriff to have a reasonable belief that the applicant presents a danger to himself or others;

(7) Is not adjudged mentally incompetent....

(8) Submits a completed application

(9) Submits an affidavit attesting that the applicant complies with the concealed carry safety training requirement...

(and pays a fee and submits fingerprints)

(10) Is not the respondent of a valid full order of protection which is still in effect.

...

Out of State Permits: (Wow!)

20. A...concealed carry endorsement or permit issued by another state...shall authorize the person...to carry concealed firearms...throughout the state.



Where you can't carry:

(having a concealed weapon in a car on the premises of all of the below IS allowed...)

(1) Any police...station without the consent of the chief law enforcement officer

(2) Within twenty-five feet of any polling place on any election day.

(3) The facility of any adult or juvenile detention or correctional institution, prison or jail.

(4) Any courthouse solely occupied by the circuit, appellate or supreme court...

(5) Any meeting of the governing body of a unit of local government...

(6) The general assembly, supreme court, county or municipality may...prohibit or limit the carrying of concealed firearms...in that portion of a building owned, leased or controlled by that unit of government.

(7) Any establishment licensed to dispense intoxicating liquor...(except) any...restaurant...that receives at least fifty-one percent of its gross annual income from the dining facilities by the sale of food.

(8) Any area of an airport to which access is controlled by the inspection of persons and property.

(9) Any place where the carrying of a firearm is prohibited by federal law;

(10) Any higher education institution or elementary or secondary school facility without the consent of the governing body of the higher education institution or a school official or the district school board.

(11) Any portion of a building used as a child care facility without the consent of the manager.

(12) Any riverboat gambling operation...without the consent of the owner or manager

(13) Any gated area of an amusement park.

(14) Any church or other place of religious worship without the consent of the minister...

(15) Any private property whose owner has posted the premises...by means of one or more signs displayed in a conspicuous place of a minimum size of eleven inches by fourteen inches with the writing thereon in letters of not less than one inch. The owner...may prohibit ...carrying...and may prohibit employees...from carrying....

(16) Any sports arena or stadium with a seating capacity of five thousand or more.

(17) Any hospital accessible by the public.

Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (17) ...shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to ...or removal from the premises. If such person refuses to leave the premises and a peace officer is summoned, such person may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed one hundred dollars for the first offense.

Matt

[fmjcafe]

I can`t wait to watch the 5 o`clock news. The bleating of the sheeple will be a sight to see!
:neener:

[StLGlocker]

The bleating of the sheeple will be a sight to see!

Indeed. The anti crowd will scream bloody murder and predict mayhem at every stoplight. Their research on the issue apparently consists of watching people play Grand Theft Auto III.

I didn't have my hopes up that it would pass, since it was contingent on Dolan getting leave from his Guard unit and on Gibbons changing his mind. We really sent a message to Bob Holden. There were THREE veto overturns today. That doubles the number in all of Missouri's history.

[cordex]

Excellent.

I just emailed the Attorney General to attempt to determine if my permit will still be recognized, as I am under the age of 23. Will post his response here.

[another okie]

http://www.house.state.mo.us/bills03/bills/hb349.htm

I guess the "truly agreed" version is the one that is now law. Looks good.

[Al in Md]

Congrats. Mo. A veto overide to boot! In retrospect it was an error several years ago to put this to a vote. Never give the sheeple a vote on basic rights, not even if it is a slam dunk. Even though the vote against was close the anti's tried to beat you over the head with it like was some sort of mandate. There are still states that need this sort of legislation(I live in Maryland for one example). Now there are so many states that have gone shall issue why can't we shame our lawmakers in to passing these laws. Can we ask the legislature if the citizens of Md. Nj. Ny. Ks. Ws. etc. if we are to stupid and irresponsible for CCW? Was this argument brought up during the debates? Al

[litman252]

"(7) Any establishment licensed to dispense intoxicating liquor...(except) any...restaurant...that receives at least fifty-one percent of its gross annual income from the dining facilities by the sale of food."

Liquor stores are going to be held up a weeeee bit more than the rest, don't ya think????
I'd risk the fine on the first time:D


Congrats, are we next??
Tony