(Australia) First the commoner's guns, now the Police guns....


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Drizzt
January 14, 2003, 06:39 PM
Police guns 'corruption risk'

By Luke Morfesse



POLICE who privately owned guns could be exposed to corruption, the Kennedy inquiry has been told.

At its first public hearings this year, the commission returned to its examination of inappropriate police links with criminals.

Counsel assisting Stephen Hall said because officers got to know criminals, their owning guns might be a corruption risk

"How easy would it be for a police officer who is a member of a gun club to unlawfully and corruptly pass a gun to a criminal associate and then claim it was stolen by a person unknown," he said.

Mr Hall said police corruption was insidious and hard to detect because of the special knowledge of officers.

"They know how to deflect suspicion," he said. "They know how investigations are run and how to take advantage of the system.

"This is why when an officer, to use a colloquial term, goes bad and turns to crime, experience shows that the crimes or who perpetrated them can often go undetected for a considerable time."

The commission is investigating links between Sen. Const. Paul Furness, a former gun club member, and a drug dealer code- named D1.

Mr Hall alleged Sen. Const. Furness gave D1 a .38 calibre Smith and Wesson pistol and a semi-automatic 10mm pistol for organising a burglary on the officer's Carine home in 1994.

It was alleged Sen. Const. Furness made a fraudulent insurance claim for more than $37,000 for items stolen, including the guns.

During a raid on D1's home in August 1995, drug squad detectives found the Smith and Wesson under a mattress.

Mr Hall said a police officer could scarcely do a more serious thing than supply firearms to known criminals for personal gain.

"Police officers have a legitimate interest in guns," he said. "The fact that they may own them, join gun clubs, use them recreationally will hardly attract attention. However, it must also be recognised that firearms have great value to criminals."

Mr Hall said professional thieves targeted gun shops and stole pistols because of the significant black market for them.

Firearms sold to gun clubs for $900 to $1700 could fetch more than $5000 on the black market from criminals.

Earlier, Mr Hall said the Furness case raised the question of whether an "undisclosed, unregulated, unsupervised and unrecorded relationship" could result in an officer being tempted into serious corruption.

"Which of course raises issues regarding the adequacy of supervision," he said.


http://www.thewest.com.au/20030114/unassigned/tw-unassigned-3-sto84453.html

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Bruce in West Oz
January 15, 2003, 01:17 AM
Yes, this stinks. It strikes home with me because this is where I live -- my gun club has a police officer as a member.

However, it's not unexpected --- many senior police officers openly discourage their subordinates from having anything to do with shooting or gun clubs, for two reasons.

The first is, ostensibly, as above. The second is because they don't want to be seen to be "encouraging" or "legitimising" shooting as a hobby/recreation/sport. :fire:

I can only hope the police union is onto this one quickly and forcefully -- although I doubt it.

Bruce

foghornl
January 15, 2003, 09:35 AM
Bruce:
It keeps looking darker and more dreadful for you guys "down under".

Maybe need to make more practice time for the axe & throwing kinfe... :fire:

El Tejon
January 15, 2003, 09:38 AM
You COULD commit a crime! Everyone report to prison at once.:D

Tamara
January 15, 2003, 09:52 AM
:D

Airwolf
January 15, 2003, 10:42 AM
The thought "snake eating its tail" was the first in my head reading this.

The entire country has become terminally paranoid over this whole issue it would seem.

geekWithA.45
January 15, 2003, 12:33 PM
begins with his own A**.

Hkmp5sd
January 15, 2003, 01:15 PM
The logic of idiots is amazing. This is like saying a Secret Service Agent might have a bad day and decide to shoot the president, so they'd better ban agents on the security detail from carrying guns.

buzz_knox
January 15, 2003, 01:25 PM
Personally, I think this is a great idea. Commoners are told that they shouldn't have guns because guns are only for killing humans. Well, cops aren't supposed to be judge, jury, and executioner. So, they shouldn't have anything who's sole purpose is to kill.

Wee bit of sauce for the gander, I would say. ;)

T.Stahl
January 15, 2003, 02:26 PM
It's sad when a government doesn't trust its citizens. :(

But a government that does neither trust its citizens nor its police? THAT'S paranoid! :what:

buzz_knox
January 15, 2003, 02:30 PM
But a government that does neither trust its citizens nor its police? THAT'S paranoid!

Gov'ts that don't trust their citizens usually don't trust cops either. That's why they create secret police units to monitor both citizens AND police.

fallingblock
January 15, 2003, 10:04 PM
Not Australia's government...:rolleyes:

It was John Howard who wore the conspicuous ballistics vest to address a rally of shooters in Sale, Victoria...:fire:

Admiral Thrawn
January 15, 2003, 10:34 PM
"The logic of idiots is amazing. This is like saying a Secret Service Agent might have a bad day and decide to shoot the president, so they'd better ban agents on the security detail from carrying guns."

Yes, exactly. The "logic" in this country isn't logic at all.

Every decision is based on paranoia, to appease the sheeple and knee-jerk whims of ignorant politicians.

dinosaur
January 16, 2003, 06:01 AM
Do Hil & Bill want their Secret Service Agents to be armed? Those people must have been screened real good.:rolleyes: Or maybe their friends from the White House Travel Office got new jobs.:evil:

fallingblock
January 16, 2003, 07:57 PM
Not only does that describe John Howard, but it covers Bob Brown and whichever ignoramus is leading the Aust. Democrats at the moment:D

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